Final Cut Pro X 10.4.1 Available Next Week With ProRes RAW and Advanced Closed Captioning

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Apple today previewed Final Cut Pro X version 10.4.1, an upcoming update to its professional video editing software.


    The headline feature is a new ProRes RAW format, which combines the visual and workflow benefits of RAW video with the performance of ProRes, a lossy video compression format developed by Apple for use in post-production.
    The update also adds advanced closed captioning tools that allow video editors to view, edit, and deliver captions from right within the app.


    Apple says Final Cut Pro users can import closed caption files directly into their project or create them from scratch. Captions appear in the viewer during playback and can be attached to video or audio clips in the timeline, so they automatically move with the clips to which they're connected.

    Apple is also updating Final Cut Pro's companion apps Motion and Compressor with ProRes RAW and closed captioning features respectively.

    Final Cut Pro 10.4.1 will be available April 9 as a free update for existing users, and the app remains $299.99 for new users on the Mac App Store in the United States. Motion 5.4.1 and Compressor 4.4.1 will also be available on April 9 as free updates, or $49.99 each for new users from the Mac App Store.

    Apple has updated its Final Cut Pro X, Motion, and Compressor pages on its website with more detailed information.

    Article Link: Final Cut Pro X 10.4.1 Available Next Week With ProRes RAW and Advanced Closed Captioning
  2. dan9700 macrumors 68030


    May 28, 2015
    we need aputure to come back I'm sick of using Lightroom I'm want pro photo editing apple software
  3. ataq macrumors regular

    Oct 29, 2006

    I wanted that too for a looooong time. Although CaptureOne looks frightening first, its the best thing you can do to your photos, their engine is just pure awesome.
  4. ThatGuyInLa macrumors 6502


    Oct 26, 2012
    Glendale, Ca.
    Editing and posting in HDR or Dolby Vision would be great. Nice that they mention it. Guess I can proof my work on my iPhoneX. Thanks Apple. Really.....thanks. That 5k display was sooooo needed over a 4K one which if it was, we could have HDR/DV support. :|
  5. dan9700 macrumors 68030


    May 28, 2015
    I've tried it before but a while ago it looks so complicated lol is it a lot faster than Lightroom, im using MacBook Pro 15 2017 maxed out
  6. dorsal macrumors regular

    Aug 20, 2002
    I hope it also includes manual compression markers and easy round-tripping to Motion.
  7. OldSchoolMacGuy Suspended


    Jul 10, 2008
    Not enough people used it to make it worth investing in keeping it around.
  8. techpr macrumors 6502


    Sep 9, 2008
    San Juan, PR
  9. DavidDoyle macrumors member

    Dec 11, 2013
    Wondering if they'll update Compressor to 64-bit in this update. Very soon High Sierra will start complaining about it soon becoming unsupported due to being 32-bit.....
  10. Duane Martin macrumors 6502

    Duane Martin

    Oct 15, 2004
    Calgary, Alberta
    Hopefully we will learn even more at the FCP Exchange event at NAB Show on Monday April 9th. I am very interested to see whether the upcoming video content being created by Apple will be posted on FCP X; this announcement is definitely a plus. Apple is certainly hiring some big names in producing and directing, but will big name editors be willing to give FCP X a chance given most are locked into an Avid Media Composer workflow? I would be very interested in finding out.
  11. miketcool macrumors 6502a


    Jun 24, 2003
    No, it became a prosumer product that was so compromised that it didn't do what it was intended to do. My workflow was always cleaner, better organized, and faster in Lightroom. However, I don't use Lightroom anymore except for batch time-lapse editing through another program.

    Do yourselves a favor; if you want a professional photo app, get Capture One Pro.
  12. Xavier macrumors 68030

    Mar 23, 2006
    Welcome addition! Keep it up with the Final Cut improvements!
  13. jacjustjac macrumors regular


    Feb 12, 2008
    New York, NY
    I really hope they fix the bugs I’m having with Optical Flow not rendering and problems importing clips. I’ve tried on three macs with 10.4 and it’s the same issue.
  14. 570934 Suspended

    May 3, 2011
  15. anticipate macrumors 6502


    Dec 22, 2013
    I doubt they'll ever add it in. Just transcode... and using Compressor you will (in theory; to be tested Monday) be able to transcode to ProRes RAW to get a workable RAW workflow from your CinemaDNG files... which was not really possible before. It'll be worlds faster and smaller than the CDNG files too, with all the flexibility.

    This is a huge win/update!

    Also anyone who owns a camera that outputs Raw to a Shogun Inferno, like we do (Sony FS5/Raw with the Shogun) will have a compressed Raw workflow now that is as capable as Red Raw without having to spend a dime extra. This is a huge update.
  16. CrystalQuest76 Suspended

    Dec 14, 2015
    West Cost A Lot
    Agreed. Also need to bring back and update, Bento.
  17. 570934 Suspended

    May 3, 2011
    Don't get me wrong, as with you we work straight to Atomos too off our ground cameras, just the aerial cameras coming off the camera in CDNG it would have taken a step out of our post workflow. We use Resolve to transcode which is easy enough, but still an extra step. CDNG still offers the biggest flexibility in post, no baked in colour space.
  18. scotth23 macrumors member

    Oct 18, 2010
    It's an interesting approach trying to get editors to transcode to another RAW format. I assume they will try and get camera manufacturers to support it natively although I doubt most would supplant their own RAW with this.

    It seems more likely that Apple wants people to be able to cut in 4K RAW which wasn't easy to do before this. Makes me worry that the format won't be as lossless as they claim.

    I personally would be concerned about converting anything to another RAW format. I'd rather do a proxy workflow and go back to camera RAW for finishing. This, for now, seems like a very narrow audience that will actually want to use this codec.
  19. ikir macrumors 65816


    Sep 26, 2007
  20. Internet Enzyme macrumors 6502a

    Internet Enzyme

    Feb 21, 2016
    YES. Please, please, please! I dislike Lightroom and have yet to find a competent alternative. I would buy Aperture instantly if they released a new version.
    --- Post Merged, Apr 5, 2018 ---
    This is pretty neat. I got the education bundle in January, and having these feature updates really does make me feel like Apple cares and that I did not waste my money.
  21. 570934 Suspended

    May 3, 2011
    I can't see Blackmagic supporting this format anytime soon.
  22. anticipate macrumors 6502


    Dec 22, 2013
    If you record in the Shogun, you're not converting to ProRes RAW. You are recording right off the sensor. (Depends on the camera... technically FS-RAW from Sony is mildly compressed...)

    But I digress.

    The audience is any camera, or recorder, that uses the codec to start with. Any Sony FS owner/op, Canon C300 Mark II/C500 owner, any Panasonic EVA-1/Varicam LT owner/operator or anyone editing that wants a fast lightly compressed raw workflow a-la Redcode - as long as they record to one of the supported Atomos recorders.

    That's a fairly decent amount of people in the midrange markets. It's a win.

    As for CDNG, you're coming from uncompressed frames to a mildly compressed CODEC, and it's not uncommon to finish in ProRes never mind ProRes RAW; so I see it as a plus. Anyone else who needs an end-to-end uncompressed raw workflow isn't going to use ProRes Raw; but it wasn't designed for them.

    And there's nothing stopping camera manufacturers from adding Prores RAW as an option, instead of ArriRaw, etc. I don't know if that'll happen though given the huge investments in ArriRAW and Redcode. But it might... depends on what encoding strategy Apple is using and how costly it is to implement.
  23. Internet Enzyme macrumors 6502a

    Internet Enzyme

    Feb 21, 2016
    Yeah, I went to Apple’s official announcement memo to get some more details on what this codec actually does, but they do not put it into plain technical terms. I guess I need to see a white paper. Because what you say is spot on.
  24. anticipate, Apr 5, 2018
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2018

    anticipate macrumors 6502


    Dec 22, 2013
    A ProRes RAW white paper is out though I haven't read it yet.

    "ProRes RAW directly encodes the Bayer pattern image. Demosaicing
    and processing are deferred to the time of playback and are performed by application software.

    EDIT: Great writeup here:
  25. Internet Enzyme macrumors 6502a

    Internet Enzyme

    Feb 21, 2016
    That is a very interesting pdf. So, basically the other ProRes formats compress based on the strictly baked in and already demosaiced image that the camera hands the codec, while ProRes raw works on a level of pre-demosaicing, meaning that ProRes RAW–unlike all other forms of ProRes–has access to the raw, un-demosaiced image, which lets you "...defer the choice of demosaicing algorithm until post-production" and also "allows you to take advantage of raw processing enhancements and demosaicing algorithm improvements in future software." Intriguing.

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