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Nice. I do some of the same things on Sibelius, and actually work close to you! I'm the percussion director at Watchung Hills in Warren, NJ. I use Sibelius mostly for my middle school band and choir arrangements, though. It worked great last year when we wrote out instrument parts for Godspell. An unbelievable program! I would never switch to Finale at this point.
Thanks for the info. I had heard some people complain about how Sibelius ran on their mac.
Thanks for the info. I had heard some people complain about how Sibelius ran on their mac.
Originally posted by mahermusic
"I have found Sibelius a powerful and effective tool"
Michael Tilson Thomas
conductor & composer
Um.... I'd put a little more weight behind Thomas, then ..... Marsalis
"I have found Windows XP a powerful and effective tool."
Squire
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Hey, just kidding. What's wrong? Don't you dig Wynton? All jokes aside, I appreciate the comments. Hopefully, I'll be able to give Sibelius a go.
Squire
Marsalis? .....oh, he's just some dude who won a Pulitzer for composition and plays circles around just about everyone.. not dissing MTT, just saying that it's about the final product, not the tool (except where macs are concerned)
BTW, when Sib. gets a scroll view, I'll take a second look, til then I gotta stick w/ Finale and pay the forced upgrade fee every year (I do a lot of collaborative work and all it takes is one person getting the upgrade to force everyone else to fork over the cash)
TTFN
BTW, when Sib. gets a scroll view, I'll take a second look, til then I gotta stick w/ Finale and pay the forced upgrade fee every year (I do a lot of collaborative work and all it takes is one person getting the upgrade to force everyone else to fork over the cash)
TTFN
Originally posted by mahermusic
"I have found Sibelius a powerful and effective tool"
Michael Tilson Thomas
conductor & composer
Um.... I'd put a little more weight behind Thomas, then ..... Marsalis
And I'd put a little more weight behind Warner Brothers and Berklee School of music who use Finale.
"never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig"
folks, if we take a poll of people who make their living PRIMARILY from composition or orchestration, Finale is the clear market leader.... doesn't mean it's a superior app, but let's not make this a Sibelius infomercial..... there's enough of that drivel to wade through in the Finale forums.
BTW, Finale is still the superior app because of it's abiliy to do anything that you an think up to put on a page (sometime in a confusing, yet accurate, way)
IMHO, FWIW, etc.
folks, if we take a poll of people who make their living PRIMARILY from composition or orchestration, Finale is the clear market leader.... doesn't mean it's a superior app, but let's not make this a Sibelius infomercial..... there's enough of that drivel to wade through in the Finale forums.
BTW, Finale is still the superior app because of it's abiliy to do anything that you an think up to put on a page (sometime in a confusing, yet accurate, way)
IMHO, FWIW, etc.
I once read that it is petty to point out spelling or grammatical errors on these forums. Even so, I have to admit, it is tempting at times.
I always hold back, though, because I know that everybody is bound to make the odd mistake. I suggest you exercise the same restraint for the same reason. (See below.)Originally posted by mahermusic
Um.... I'd put a little more weight behind Thomas, then ..... Marsalis
At any rate, we all seem to be getting off topic. Ah, Finale 2004 for the Mac...right. So it seems that some people feel it's a good product while others swear by the rival program, Sibelius. I guess most people will have to demo both of them and decide which one they like better. That's what I plan on doing.
Have a great weekend.
Squire
Oh please. True, Finale is late getting to OS X, but that is not what it is all about. Being able to do WHATEVER you want with your music is what it is about.
I still know people using Protools on OS 9. In fact, I recorded in a studio using Protools on a Mac 9500 under OS 9 this past MAY. Does it mean Protools sucks or is inferior because it doesn't run on OS X? Not at all.
I tried Sibelius in October when Coda missed their ship date. I found it lacking to Finale, and it was damn slow. It's ability to read midi files from Digital Performer was worse than Finale (I didn't think that was possible, but it is), and generating parts was a pain. Finale and TGTools is heaven for anyone serious about being productive. I can't see any way to get Sibelius to do what Finale does.
It looks like the demo for Finale will be available next month. I'm looking forward to giving it a try.
<Off topic: Hey, ericdano, do you mind if I send you a PM? I came across your name in a web search and I want to get your opinion on something.>
Squire
<Off topic: Hey, ericdano, do you mind if I send you a PM? I came across your name in a web search and I want to get your opinion on something.>
Squire
After you've written something, does Sibelius let you go back and edit it? Mac Forums does. Bottom right corner.
You seem quite passionate about the program so I checked out their website. One thing I noticed was that you could only input via a MIDI device whereas Finale lets a brass or woodwind player input from a mic. So I have 2 questions:
1) Is there a way to have your notation entered as you play a brass or woodwind instrument?
2) Have you (or anyone, for that matter) heard about the accuracy of this feature in Finale 2004? (It's called MicNotator.)
Thanks,
Squire
Bottom right corner.You seem quite passionate about the program so I checked out their website. One thing I noticed was that you could only input via a MIDI device whereas Finale lets a brass or woodwind player input from a mic. So I have 2 questions:
1) Is there a way to have your notation entered as you play a brass or woodwind instrument?
2) Have you (or anyone, for that matter) heard about the accuracy of this feature in Finale 2004? (It's called MicNotator.)
Thanks,
Squire
Wait, you come off as the "authority" in previous posts, then now admit you had a DEMO copy. How long did you use it? 10 Minutes? Try the manual? Watch the demo videos? Didn't think so.
I own BOTH. Sibelius is collection virtual dust on my Hard Drive.
When you actually TRY to use Finale, then maybe you can come back and state your opinions. I tried to use Sibelius. I have 2 charts I wrote in it. And that was it. I was fighting the program left and right. I couldn't get it to format right, articulations were not right, etc. It was back to Finale after that.
I think what it comes down to is personal preference. At this point I don't think we can really say that one is better than the other. I used to use Finale, but switched when Sibelius 2 came out. I find the interface to be much easier and user friendly, and it does more than what I need it to do. Notation using either midi input or QWERTY keyboard is very simple and fast. But I have friends who swear by Finale, so it just depends on what you like, I guess. I do agree with the previous poster that using Sibelius is a lot like using a Mac. Very simple.