I personally don’t believe that we’ll see any difference in battery performance based on charging style in the lifetime of most iOS devices (3-5years).
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iPhone XR Finally switched to fast charging
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Lol, except like I already said, leaving it on the charger is perfectly fine, just like any and every other rechargeable battery device ever created by any manufacturer on the planet.
Where do people come up with this crap that leaving a fully charged device on the charger is going to hurt it?
Whatever, OP can continue to enjoy ignoring science and facts and manufacturing his own problems. LOL @ sitting with baited breath watching the phone charge so you can lift it right at the instant it hits 100%.
Not to mention the amount of things an iPhone won't do in the background until it is locked and connected to power.
There must be a reason that Tesla says to not charge a battery over 80% unless the extra range is needed. Heat is the enemy of li-ion batteries, the less heat the longer the battery.
Fast-charging and wireless charging generate heat. The question becomes how much is battery life really reduced, by using those methods vs not using those methods.
Except OP is charging the device fully anyway.
It just seems bizarre that OP is worried about leaving the phone on the charger after its fully charged (which doesn't degrade the battery), but meanwhile is using fast charging to do so (which does degrade the battery). Personally, I know which of the two I'd be worried about.
Because when something finishes charging, you take it off the charger.
I mean this shouldn't be hard to understand.
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You're really making this a bigger thing then it really is bro relax. I'm far from "sitting with baited breath watching the phone charge so you can lift it right at the instant it hits 100%."
So, summing up this thread:
1) OP buys fast charger as a light user who already gets two days of battery life and cites that two day battery life as *THE* reason for needing fast charging. Nevermind that basic logic is literally the opposite; you buy a fast charger when you need to charge multiple times in a day, not when your battery lasts two days, which also further proves you could just charge overnight while sleeping.
2) OP won't charge phone overnight because he thinks phone must be taken off charger as soon as phone is charged to preserve battery. Ignoring the fact this is just plain factually and scientifically wrong, OP also somehow seems oblivious to the fact fast charging is actually the part that degrades the battery, oh the irony.
3) OP is unwilling to admit his logic is flawed and he's just plain wrong when people attempt to help him avoid his self-manufactured problem of staring at a phone waiting for it to charge.
Carry on OP, enjoy staring at your fast charging phone once every two days, just waiting to take it off the charger when it's full, because, as you said, "thats what you do when it's full, what's so hard to understand bro?" That's quite the justification instead of just admitting you have no reason to take it off as soon as it's full. Enjoy your self-manufactured problems I guess.
1) OP buys fast charger as a light user who already gets two days of battery life and cites that two day battery life as *THE* reason for needing fast charging. Nevermind that basic logic is literally the opposite; you buy a fast charger when you need to charge multiple times in a day, not when your battery lasts two days, which also further proves you could just charge overnight while sleeping.
2) OP won't charge phone overnight because he thinks phone must be taken off charger as soon as phone is charged to preserve battery. Ignoring the fact this is just plain factually and scientifically wrong, OP also somehow seems oblivious to the fact fast charging is actually the part that degrades the battery, oh the irony.
3) OP is unwilling to admit his logic is flawed and he's just plain wrong when people attempt to help him avoid his self-manufactured problem of staring at a phone waiting for it to charge.
Carry on OP, enjoy staring at your fast charging phone once every two days, just waiting to take it off the charger when it's full, because, as you said, "thats what you do when it's full, what's so hard to understand bro?" That's quite the justification instead of just admitting you have no reason to take it off as soon as it's full. Enjoy your self-manufactured problems I guess.
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I think somethings get blown out of proportion when it comes to iPhone and Apple user. I use this thread as evidence of that.
I have used fast charging on my iPhone since it was introduced. Apple should have been including a fast charger in the box at least starting in 2017. “Faster” charging was implemented with the iPhone 6s. However fast charge capabilities were not “officially” a feature until 2017. When I bought my 8 plus and X in 2017 was when I bought my “fast charger”. I don’t necessarily need it, but faster charging capabilities are nice to have.
That said... an iPhone does NOT have to be pulled off the charger as soon as it hits 100%. As with any Li-ion battery the battery will stop charging at 100 percent even while on the charger... then start back when needed. Which is also the same reason sometimes when you pull your iPhone off the charger it will stay “fully charged” for a long period of time and then sometimes it will drop below 100% very fast....
All that said I use a regular from the box charger when I go to bed at night.
This thread just took a way wrong turn for basically a “preference”. Like I prefer to use fast charging through out the day if need be, but I prefer slow charging at nighttime if my phone needs charged...
I have used fast charging on my iPhone since it was introduced. Apple should have been including a fast charger in the box at least starting in 2017. “Faster” charging was implemented with the iPhone 6s. However fast charge capabilities were not “officially” a feature until 2017. When I bought my 8 plus and X in 2017 was when I bought my “fast charger”. I don’t necessarily need it, but faster charging capabilities are nice to have.
That said... an iPhone does NOT have to be pulled off the charger as soon as it hits 100%. As with any Li-ion battery the battery will stop charging at 100 percent even while on the charger... then start back when needed. Which is also the same reason sometimes when you pull your iPhone off the charger it will stay “fully charged” for a long period of time and then sometimes it will drop below 100% very fast....
All that said I use a regular from the box charger when I go to bed at night.
This thread just took a way wrong turn for basically a “preference”. Like I prefer to use fast charging through out the day if need be, but I prefer slow charging at nighttime if my phone needs charged...
This is what I do. I've got a Anker hub (6 port) at work and an Anker hub (6 port) at home next to my desk. Next to my bed is my Apple Watch charger and my 1amp Apple included charger that I'll plug into the phone if I feel like it.
You've got the 100% "fully charged" part correct. Makes me happy to see there are people that understand this
.My phones have spent most of their lives plugged in and according to coconutBattery, after 2 years and 250 cycles they're doing great - within 2-3% of original capacity.
Love threads that talk about charging
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Definitely my experience.
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Agreed. My boss has a Tesla and I've had the opportunity to talk with him about that. They force you to use the 100% charge in X time too so it doesn't sit there too long. I think if you're going to keep a car for 10 years, that's how a battery should be treated. 80-40% if you can do it. Especially for cars that may be sitting outside in the 110F California sun at a rapid charging station - even more so.
Fast wireless charging definitely generates heat - I can't use those chargers because to me it gets the phone too hot. My Anker chargers have never had my phone too hot, but I don't game with them plugged in (or game all that much anyway). And because my phone spends 99% of its time 90%+, it never gets warm.
Now... my coworkers that leave their phones in their cars and end work with a phone shut off because it overheated... <cringe>
Pragmatically speaking, that's closest to the truth.
For most users, the primary goal is maximum duration and minimum downtime. No consideration is given to anything else, and within the typical lifespan of such devices, they'll probably never notice a difference.
That said, for those who do give consideration to prolonging the useful lifespan of their devices, or have even a mild level of OCD (what, here?), there are good practices to follow regarding the care and feeding of lithium rechargeable batteries, derived from science, and practical experience. Such practices become more important than an afterthought when such batteries are utilized in devices with no charging control electronics, minimal or no safety/protection circuitry whatsoever, and the both the probability and consequences of ill-handling and mishaps are greater.
Suffice it to say, heat is but one factor, but C-rate, and storage/capacity levels are others that need to be considered.
Jesus Christ bro you’re taking this way too serious. Move on with your life.
This is simply me telling this forum that I upgraded my charging, my god.
This is simply @white4s telling this forum (but you specifically) that you downgraded your charging, my god.
I don't get it. Downgraded? Minus the cable (which I would have gone with Anker myself) the Anker charger is a nice upgrade to wireless charging - at least in charging capacity. I'm not a huge wireless fan myself, so if you're a wireless fan I think I get it then.
I think the hostility towards @white4s is fairly unjustified - I'm simply lost why someone would be so mad over them just talking about how they changed their charging habits. But hey, whatever floats people's boats. I've had people on this forum lose their head over me suggesting charging habits.
Wireless charging results in a lot of wasted power (40% from what I've read). Yes, there is a pretty significant convenience factor but there is waste. Multiply that by xxx millions of mobile users. (Every tiny drip adds up).
But I don't get the calling @white4s lower IQ for preferring to use a rapid charging brick over wireless even if a light user??? I have been doing this for the last 4-5 years. I tried wireless for awhile but my wallet case kinda put an end to that.
I’m the same - use fast charge during the day when I need to top off and regular charge at night.
I don't get it. Downgraded? Minus the cable (which I would have gone with Anker myself) the Anker charger is a nice upgrade to wireless charging - at least in charging capacity. I'm not a huge wireless fan myself, so if you're a wireless fan I think I get it then.
I think the hostility towards @white4s is fairly unjustified - I'm simply lost why someone would be so mad over them just talking about how they changed their charging habits. But hey, whatever floats people's boats. I've had people on this forum lose their head over me suggesting charging habits.
Wireless charging results in a lot of wasted power (40% from what I've read). Yes, there is a pretty significant convenience factor but there is waste. Multiply that by xxx millions of mobile users. (Every tiny drip adds up).
But I don't get the calling @white4s lower IQ for preferring to use a rapid charging brick over wireless even if a light user??? I have been doing this for the last 4-5 years. I tried wireless for awhile but my wallet case kinda put an end to that.
If you don't get it, I'm guessing you haven't read the whole thread properly.
It's a downgrade, since his charging habits are based around not leaving the phone on charge to save the battery (which is a fallacy), yet he's decided to use faster charging to "upgrade" this (which actually does harm to the battery).
As far as I can see he's being called out for preferring faster charging to regular charging, not for preferring it to wireless charging.
I've read this thread at least 6 times.
I still don't get it.
OP is benefiting from a faster charge time even if he only charges once every few days, that's a lot less time the phone spends on the charger now. - A benefit over what he was doing before.
This thread is filled with a wireless discussion on page 1, then on page 2 a lot of angry posts directed at the OP even though the OP has said very little (see quotes above).
Ever since I got my 6s+, my phone easily lasts 2-3 days on a charge. I guess I'm a light user. So I've not really needed to charge overnight. That means when I do need to charge, being able to top off fast is nice because I could be using my phone instead. Yes, if I charged every night, then I wouldn't have to worry bout that, but since rapid charging with my XS Max is so fast, I just top off at work and hope with a "rapid" charger (even though at 90%-100% it isn't "rapid charging").
But the OP benefits from rapid charging because that's less time the phone is sitting on a cable - because they don't charge overnight.
I don't get the low IQ comments - a lot of the hate directed towards the OP is based on assumptions that the OP didn't even post about.
But the OP benefits from rapid charging because that's less time the phone is sitting on a cable - because they don't charge overnight.
I don't get the low IQ comments - a lot of the hate directed towards the OP is based on assumptions that the OP didn't even post about.
There’s nothing to get bro. I simply do not want to wait almost 3 hours for my phone to charge. Jesus Christ.
Agreed. You and I have similar charging habits. I use Rapid Anker chargers at work/home - love them.
I haven't charged at night for years. I could but no need to especially with rapid charging and these wonderful long life batteries.I even got a USB C to Lightning cable so I could use my MBP chargers if I REALLY want to.
Best wishes enjoying your phone. I sure enjoy mine (and my other Apple products).
I think you missed part of this post so I'll embolden the salient bits for you -
Slow or wireless. Then a bit of a distraction about the irony of someone mentioning wireless as being better while going for 7.5W not 5W... but then back onto OP's own irony. He's said very little, but all of it showing a fundamental lack of understanding about battery technology.
Also, the only one who has mentioned IQ is you. Having a fundamental lack of understanding about battery technology does not make somebody stupid. That's lucky for you.
Yes, OP's phone spends less time on the charger, but I'll repeat - those charging habits are, from what he has said, borne of a mistaken belief that a battery that is fully charged must be disconnected from the power. You seem to be assuming that because your choices match, your reasons do. OP has made plain that he doesn't charge at night by choice, not as a result of another choice (to charge during the day) as in your case. Correlation does not equal causation.
You personally might not care about the impact your charging choices have on your battery life. That's good for you. There's a ton of other factors that are at play anyway (I screwed up my 6 battery life when I got really into a particular online mobile game a while back and ended up charging 2x per day or more). But OP has made it clear that he both cares and is mistaken about how to go about preserving that battery life. Less time on charge isn't a good thing when slower is proven to be better for battery health.
In my defence, the post that mentioned IQ was modified and all mention of iq was removed.
Thanks for taking the time to explain - I've read everything and I better see your point of view.
Agreed. You and I have similar charging habits. I use Rapid Anker chargers at work/home - love them.
I even got a USB C to Lightning cable so I could use my MBP chargers if I REALLY want to.
Best wishes enjoying your phone. I sure enjoy mine (and my other Apple products).
Exactly. I love how it was assumed I only charge at night during sleep.
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