Financing a Computer

[SPG]

Originally posted by MasterX (OSiX)

Typically I like to just sit back and let ppl fight, but SPG you're REALLY pissing me off with your whole "$19,999 DV System or nothing" attitude. Mymemory was saying that whatever he uses will only be god for learning how to cut and edit. If you're in school it's not an issue of equipment but practice. He's saying that by editing in 360x240 you can quickly experiment and learn to be effective in your cuts. He's not saying to produce editorials for CNN using Sorenson and a 360x240 QT5 movie. And it seems to me that any system drops frames in FCP 1 or 2.

I end up using iMovie a lot more that I want, simply because I can do basic cuts and have simple projects done in record time. I'm learning to use a very nice Toaster system at my highschool, and I just edited a football game on my G4 in iMovie2, it took about 5 hours to edit the 2 hour game into a 5 minute film. The quality is made up in the number of cuts. Of course in the end, FCP2 will be used for anything pro, but as long as the cuts are simple and the objective is to learn, or produce somethign quicky, rendering small little projects in After Effects isn't gonna hurt anyone. Except you apparently. This kid is at some school where they probably have Powermacs and systems w/faster CPUs, more Ram, bigger RAIDs, and faster hardware rendering cards than you. [/B]

Before you get too pissed off again, maybe you should look at what I wrote, and look at what else was written.
I did not advocate that someone just starrting out buy a DP800, but get a used DP500, that's not a $19,999 DV system last time I checked. Wait you did mean US Dollars and not Pesos or Lira, right? The only time I did argue against a more economical system was specifically against the Pismo since it has a very hard time handling FCP, and the Matrox card since it will be obsolete in a very short time (being replaced by improved software).
I never said that you need to have the absolute best system, but for very specific needs that were mentioned I made a very specific recomendation and pointed out the shortcomings of someone else's ill informed recommendation.
I am glad that you can use iMovie and it fulfills your needs, but If you look further up I even made the comment "Hell, some of the best stuff I've seen recently was shot on super8 and spliced by hand. Who needsa computer at all!" Although being flip, it was meant to point out that you do not need the best tools to create the best work. My specific equipment comments were mostly replies to discussing the best tools for the job.
I am sorry for pissing you off Mister Oh I Sux, well maybe I'm not sorry...****
Love, -SPG

 

[SPG]

Back to the topic...
If you're really having trouble getting a loan, and it's only for the tiBook maybe you should look to the Bank of Mom & Dad, I hear the interest rates are well below prime this time of year.
Seriously, you should look into borrowing from your family if all else fails. Then again that might make you take a good hard look at exactly what you really need.

 

[MasterX (OSiX)]

I'll admit $19,999 is an exaggeration. But let's see:
1) "I did not advocate that someone just starrting out buy a DP800, but get a used DP500"

Well he said that he's not a novice about 3 times so far so I'll have to go on that.

2) "get a used DP500, that's not a $19,999 DV system last time I checked"

If you add legit software and beef up the hardware w/a Cinema Display it's around $10,000 tops. Like I said I was exaggerating I apologize.

3) Wait you did mean US Dollars and not Pesos or Lira, right?"

US Dollars in the year 2001

4) The only time I did argue against a more economical system was specifically against the Pismo since it has a very hard time handling FCP, and the Matrox card since it will be obsolete in a very short time (being replaced by improved software)."

I agree a laptop can't be seriously used for editing, especially a pismo. Boston8mac said he had enough desktops and want the TiBook BECAUSE it's mobile.

But if you think FCP for OSX will replace a hardware rendering device (like a RT Matrox) you're sadly mistaken. I expect FCPX to be brought up to the speed of iMovie, which is basically real time (and 30fps) text, audio effects, and speed control. Not rendering, not transparency, not effects.

5) "I am glad that you can use iMovie and it fulfills your needs"

"I end up using iMovie a lot more that I want, simply because I can do basic cuts and have simple projects done in record time." Not marking in and out saves a lot of time. My instructor just mentioned how awesome iMovie was today, because of it's easy learning curve, and of course, unmatched efficiency. Don't diss my instructor, he's one insane Cisco engineer. iMovie is a few steps up from hand splicing, so I don't see why it gets so much bad-mouthing.

6) "I am sorry for pissing you off Mister Oh I Sux, well maybe I'm not sorry...****"

The only comment you made that pissed me off is that iMovie fits my needs, which it does most of the time. But remember that if Apple added color-keying, transparency, overlays, better file management, more text controls, and "PIP" it would be a simple way of doing practically EVERYTHING most people need to edit. That's only 6 things, NO **** YOU HAVE MORE IN MIND, I'm sure I forgot something obvious like programmable effects, and a more professional GUI but screw you.

 

[SPG]

Okay, I'm glad we agree on those things, and I am sorry about the last part but I felt as though your post was an undeserved attack. I'll disregard the "screw you" at the end of your most recent post.

BTW, If you add all the features you menioned to iMovie it won't have that learning curve. Also have you ever used a linear tape to tape editor? It sounds like you could do a lot of what you want with one of those, sometimes I wish I still had one here for simpler jobs.

 

[MasterX (OSiX)]

Well on an underground rumors site a "screw you" in reply to a **** is not that bad. What I'm trying to say was that iMovie is a lot closer to pro level than people give it credit for.

I'm learning to use an Amega-VideoToaster in school, using the basic hardware I think it's considered a linear editing workstation. It's a nice setup, I'l try and get a picture of it sometime: 3 cameras, an old Apple IIc Teleprompter, and the Amega (which is connected to 3 VHS decks, and pleantly of monitors/hardware). Our teacher is working on upgrading our schools ****** Dells (500Mhz) with a GeForce2, a FireWire I/O device, more ram/disks, and a dual P3 MoBo. Of course I'd take the experimental Dual-700Mhz Amega over that POS Dell mod running Premier any day.

 

[mymemory]

Re: RE: USA SELF EMPLOYMENT

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i was referring to usa self employment

My comment was just a general culture kind of thing.
I wish I could be a free lancer in the US. The difference down here right now is that people doesn't have any money, so the better way to have money at the end of the month is to be part of a company. I make less but I have the cash to pay the bills. That is just a matter of circunstances.

The other scenario may be if you are about to have your family, you may need a secure income un less you have your own company with your bunch of clients.

But freelancing is so good in the US, I may be moving next year, may be to Miami because I may get my greencard finally!!!!!!!

 

[jefhatfield]

i hope you enjoy america, because of all the things we americans complain about, freelancing isn't one of them

miami is a good place as is any large american city because it is harder in a rural area, like where i live south of san jose, but not impossible

 

[SPG]

Hey Jef, One more tech boom and your area won't be rural anymore. Even without another boom it won't be rural for too much longer.

 

[jefhatfield]

we who live here are hard core inbreeding joe dirt rednecks and any over-building here would literally be met by shotguns

i am not kidding and i keep a low profile being a minority

one of my best workers in my other landscaping business finally confessed to me that he belonged to the KKK and told me about the rural redneck roots of monterey county...you have to be born here 4 decades ago like me to even begin to understand the dynamics of the anti-yuppie mentality here and the impossibility to make monterey county a part of the five county silicon valley...one of my female friends' parents are brother and sister...OK... need i say more

the taliban has a better chance of setting up shop in monterey before a bay area, college educated, chardonnay sipping, gore loving, yuppie will ever make an IT company here

jeff foxworthy is one of us...ok

...by the way, i voted for gore but i keep that quiet for obvious reasons (and i am sipping a chardonnay as i type this post, really!)

 

[SPG]

Not to say there won't be resistance, but one redneck at a time being handed a million dollars is how it happens. Slowly the condos start popping up and before you know it you can't afford to live in the house where you were born. I've seen it and it's disgusting the power of money.

 

[jefhatfield]

too much money made in agriculture here, calif's number one industry by far

too many steep mountains, not flat like san jose and the silicon valley region

a good livestock industry

and a general hatred of yuppies

and most of all, an intense fear of technology

believe me, this county has tried to have been bought and if the hillbillies don't stop the growth, the environmentalists will with their agendas

not to mention the mayflower brigade who are old money and they are not ready to have theri 23 golf courses like pebble beach ripped out so bill gates could build xboxes here

the day monterey county will enter the 21st century will be the day the giants win back to back world series' against the yankees...it simply will not happen...just visit here, give me a line, and i will take you on the rural tour

at least we have running water even though you can get sick from it if you drink it...you are better off drinking the lead mercury solder water of silicon valley

[Edited by jefhatfield on 11-20-2001 at 05:16 PM]

 

[jefhatfield]

re: silicon valley expansion

flatter, chaper, and more practical areas of modern growth in california still are greater la and the bay area

outside of that,

fresno, bakersfield, rest of central valley, sacramento, and out of state in nevada and arizona

monterey county got forever doomed in 1994 when the major army fort was moved out

i still like being a techie here since i liken myself to that country doctor on northern exposure, i am rare and i provide a service since all of my techie friends moved a hour north to silicon valley where they make the real money...though not like they did in the dot.com heyday...we are back to 2,600 companies but swelled to 20,000 or so during the internet thing