Find my iPhone improvements

[crashoverride77]

Then I guess Apple won't be hiring you and your common sense wisdom anytime soon. If hard reset is to be preserved as a way to recover from a software lockup, your suggested feature is rendered useless with a couple of button presses.


I'm sure there are such life and death situations. Fortunately, remote wipe is not affected by Activation Lock. You really should study how all of the features of Find My iPhone works before you make untrue statements like this.

If someone loses their iPhone, Activation Lock is already sufficient to make it extremely hard for thieves to do anything useful.

Actually, I've found that it's a mix. Some will make an effort to find the owner, others will turn it over to a lost and found, which will turn off the phone by default (they don't want to deal with dozens of lost, ringing phones). Still others will find an Apple Store, which will often pretty much sit on the phone too, and not do anything with it other than shut it off.

And yet, your password-to-turn-off feature didn't make the cut.




Dissenting opinions are never useless. On the other hand, you have yet to provide a single reason for why my point is "useless." You just keep calling it that and hoping someone that just makes it true. Sorry, that's not the way discussions work.

And I'm still waiting for an apology, for falsely accusing me of being a professional iPhone thief. Since none appears to be forthcoming, I guess I'll just report the post to the mods.

What couple of button pressing, I'm talking hard reset when you use find my ihpone or enter the lost mode not in daily use, I'm well aware that a hard reset is needed in some situations, but not when the damn phone is lost or stolen. Duh

I know my password suggestion didn't make it which is why I made this thread to discuss other possibilities of how to improve it. Apparently my improvements to music playlist didn't make the cut, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

In regards to the thiefs, what world is that, a yoghurt commercial? So what's the point of find my ihpone if everyone is a saint as you described.

Please explain remote wipe is not affected by activation lock? One is different to the other. Activation lock prohibits a thief from resetting the phone and a remote wipe does what it says, it wipes the phone if you don't care about tracking and are worried about data loss. I never talked about remote wipe as that's not relevant to improving find my iPhone and tracking. Activation lock helps with thiefs not being able to resell the phone, but not tracking it.

Firstly, if you got offended by my little joke in the end that you must lighten up and if you feel like you want to report me go for it. It's embarrassing to even mention that. Secondly I will apologise if I upset you, wasn't my intention. Thirdly I still think your points are not relevant because the situations are not very common. Is it common for a thief to turn of iPhone or enter airplane mode when they find a phone, yes it's is. So how can we make it harder is the whole idea behind it so unless you explain to me a real world scenario where it would not make sense to block a thief from turning the phone off if in lost mode, please go for it. You keep talking about the freezing issue what has that to do with find my iPhone, would be even better if the phone freezes and the thief cannot reset it, don't you think.

 

[scaredpoet]

What couple of button pressing, I'm talking hard reset when you use find my ihpone or enter the lost mode not in daily use,

All a heard reset requires is the pressing of two buttons.

I'm well aware that a hard reset is needed in some situations, but not when the damn phone is lost or stolen. Duh

That doesn't negate the fact that a hard crash or lockup may occur, or a bug in the software, or a malicious attack, might require that among other things, a DFU restore or hard reset be made to happen.

I know my password suggestion didn't make it which is why I made this thread to discuss other possibilities of how to improve it. Apparently my improvements to music playlist didn't make the cut, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Instead of insulting people, maybe you should just tell Apple about your great idea. Maybe then they can decide to use it or not.

Please explain remote wipe is not affected by activation lock?

When an iPhone user has a need to remote wipe their iPhone, they follow this procedure. That link pretty much explains it all. Activation Lock comes into play AFTER the wipe process. What more explanation is needed?

I never talked about remote wipe

Actually, you did. In this post you specifically say "Also by your logic why have activation lock there might be situations where a format is required in life or death situations." I'm telling you that Activation Lock does not prevent a format or wipe from happening.

Firstly, if you got offended by my little joke in the end that you must lighten up and if you feel like you want to report me go for it. It's embarrassing to even mention that.

Post already reported. In context, it was very clearly not a joke. It was an attempt to discredit my post by accusing me - falsely - of being a professional iPhone thief. And yes, it IS embarrassing, that someone would use that tactic to try and win an argument.

Thirdly I still think your points are not relevant because the situations are not very common.

I happen to think such situations are very common. But we can disagree on commonalty... "not very common" isn't good enough. That's still an acknowledgement that it can happen, and recovering a phone is not worth putting people in danger, even if it's only once in a while.

Is it common for a thief to turn of iPhone or enter airplane mode when they find a phone, yes it's is.

So you disable control center on the lock screen, and enable a passcode. Problem solved.

So how can we make it harder is the whole idea behind it so unless you explain to me a real world scenario where it would not make sense to block a thief from turning the phone off if in lost mode, please go for it.

I've already explained several scenarios, where innocent people who have found a LOST iPhone might run into a problem with your suggested feature. Not every missing iPhone is stolen. But you're assuming this to be the case, and that's the real problem with your argument.

You keep talking about the freezing issue what has that to do with find my iPhone,

I've already explained this as well: a hard reset is a required feature to get past any bug or software-related lockup. It MUST be a hardware feature that bypasses all software functions, including any proposed anti-theft attempt to prevent a shutdown.

It cannot be made any clearer than this.

Again, I would suggest using the link I gave you above and suggesting your "improvement" to Apple. IF they don't include it as a feature, then you can assume that the folks at Apple are really, really stupid. I on the other hand, will instead think the more obvious conclusion: the negatives of such a feature far outweigh any positives.

 

[crashoverride77]

All a heard reset requires is the pressing of two buttons.



That doesn't negate the fact that a hard crash or lockup may occur, or a bug in the software, or a malicious attack, might require that among other things, a DFU restore or hard reset be made to happen.



Instead of insulting people, maybe you should just tell Apple about your great idea. Maybe then they can decide to use it or not.




When an iPhone user has a need to remote wipe their iPhone, they follow this procedure. That link pretty much explains it all. Activation Lock comes into play AFTER the wipe process. What more explanation is needed?



Actually, you did. In this post you specifically say "Also by your logic why have activation lock there might be situations where a format is required in life or death situations." I'm telling you that Activation Lock does not prevent a format or wipe from happening.



Post already reported. In context, it was very clearly not a joke. It was an attempt to discredit my post by accusing me - falsely - of being a professional iPhone thief. And yes, it IS embarrassing, that someone would use that tactic to try and win an argument.



I happen to think such situations are very common. But we can disagree on commonalty... "not very common" isn't good enough. That's still an acknowledgement that it can happen, and recovering a phone is not worth putting people in danger, even if it's only once in a while.



So you disable control center on the lock screen, and enable a passcode. Problem solved.




I've already explained several scenarios, where innocent people who have found a LOST iPhone might run into a problem with your suggested feature. Not every missing iPhone is stolen. But you're assuming this to be the case, and that's the real problem with your argument.



I've already explained this as well: a hard reset is a required feature to get past any bug or software-related lockup. It MUST be a hardware feature that bypasses all software functions, including any proposed anti-theft attempt to prevent a shutdown.

It cannot be made any clearer than this.

Again, I would suggest using the link I gave you above and suggesting your "improvement" to Apple. IF they don't include it as a feature, then you can assume that the folks at Apple are really, really stupid. I on the other hand, will instead think the more obvious conclusion: the negatives of such a feature far outweigh any positives.

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2) than you do the restore on itunes
3) wow you complain but than insult me as well, maybe I should report you
4) activation lock does not only come into play AFTER a wipe, omg. As I said in ios 6 if a thief has your phone and your passcode or there is no passcode (apple stats Show most people don't use passcode) he can turn of find my iPhone or reset the phone. Now a thief cannot wipe the phone or turn of find my ihpone without Apple ID. So maybe instead of sending me links you should read them yourselfs.
5) yes activation lock prescisly prevents you from formatting the drive.
6) if I insulted you that much maybe your on the wrong forum, that was a light jab and you crying and wanna tell on me. Did I insult you personally or say anything derogatory? Pfff
7) what danger? Your plane example is a joke, give me a new example please
8) problem not solved with passcode and control centre disable as he can turn the damn phone of, which is my whole point. Also I like control centre shall I sacrifice convinients for security?
9) innocent people would put the phone on silent and leave it on and clearly will not turn it off. They would also reply to a message send via find my iPhone to help the owner find it. Turning off does none of that you genious. Let me burst your bubble but 9-10 times the phone will not be returned as we don't live in narnja.
10) I don't care anymore you have contributed nothing to this thread and keep saying apple know everything and it's all perfect. Omg with that logic stuff will never improve.

 

[scaredpoet]

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2) than you do the restore on iTunes

Which is ANOTHER way to bypass your feature.

3) wow you complain but than insult me as well, maybe I should report you

Where did I insult you?

4) activation lock does not only come into play AFTER a wipe, omg. As I said in ios 6 if a thief has your phone and your passcode or there is no passcode (apple stats Show most people don't use passcode) he can turn of find my iPhone or reset the phone. Now a thief cannot wipe the phone or turn of find my ihpone without Apple ID.

Activation Lock did not exist in iOS 6. The rest of your point, i'm sorry, I can't make sense of any of it.

So maybe instead of sending me links you should read them yourselfs.

I did. My points stand.

5) yes activation lock prescisly prevents you from formatting the drive.

No, it' doesn't. Activation lock prevents an unauthorized user from re-activating an already-wiped iOS device.

6) if I insulted you that much maybe your on the wrong forum, that was a light jab and you crying and wanna tell on me. Did I insult you personally or say anything derogatory? Pfff

Yes, you accused me of committing a crime. Without any evidence to back up your accusation.

7) what danger? Your plane example is a joke, give me a new example please

If preventing a missing iPhone device from following FAA regulations on in-flight use of cell phones is a joke, then no, I'm not going to provide any more examples. All you're doing is declaring any argument that disagrees with you a "joke" without stating why. That pretty much makes any discussion with you meaningless and pointless.

10) I don't care anymore you have contributed nothing to this thread and keep saying apple know everything and it's all perfect. Omg with that logic stuff will never improve.

That is not what I'm saying. What I AM saying is, go tell Apple about your great idea, and we'll see how far you get with it. There's no use in continuing to debate the issue here.

 

[S.B.G]

Mod note:

Please quit the arguing or this thread will be closed.

/mod note.