Fingerprint Sensor is the break Apple needs.

[MattInOz]

I play guitar and my fingertips get mangled sometimes. I even have skin peeling off at times. Will this work for me or will I be locked out of my phone?

What if I chop a finger off?

Wasn't one of the benefits of the tech the sensor tech people they acquired it's low power draw, so it could be allows on?

What if the difference Apple is planning is the sensor is on the back at the bottom. That it isn't using your fingertip touching the home button but the part of hand that are happen to touch that area of the phone in that as you cradle the phone. Maybe the sensor isn't just waiting for a reason to scan but taking new scans after it sensors movement to get a fuller database of the parts of your hand that touch that part. For the most part that is going be the other end of your finger or the palm side of your knuckles away from damage.

You reach into your pocket to grab your phone to do something by that time the sensor has done it's job knows it's you and turned on the screen. No need for home button. Your notifications ready to read. No you and the person hits the power button all they get is the Time and slide to unlock.

Just a thought...
I think there are some really interesting way the tech could be used when you read what makes them different to other sensors.

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Apple specializes in re-introducing old technology that didnt catch on... Implementing it better and calling it revolutionary.

Well you know Ideas are easy, Implementation is hard. The credit should go to the implementers.

 

[R1PPER]

Apple designers are the smartest in the business...they will only implement this if it works 100% and they will give you the option to turn it off. In no way is this a negative for them or us

What will be negative is when the press try to destroy apple because it glitches occasionally.....finger print gate.

 

[Ay_Zimmy]

Looks like they need this for NFC payments

 

[FSMBP]

Actually, it wouldn't. 8/10 times you don't give your passcode away. You'll ask your friend to give you back your phone so that you can unlock the phone for him/her. Also, if the sensor is integrated in the home button, it would be easier to unlock the phone while driving since you don't have to look at the screen for punching the passcode.

Source?

Seems like it would suck if your hands are tied up and you want someone to lock up something on your iPhone. I was making dinner the other night and my hands were covered with raw meat and I needed to preset the oven. I told my girlfriend to look up the directions on my iPhone (she knows my passcode) and she preheated the oven.

That's just one example. Yes, you're right - probably more than 1/2 the time, people don't share passcodes but that still doesn't mean there aren't scenarios were you would need someone to use your iPhone.

 

[LaunchpadBS]

It would be great if it was fast and worked 1st time every time but having work with a variety of fingerprint readers in the past I can tell you that they are very temperamental at best, a build up of grease/oil and they start failing to read the print accurately, and having to clean my own iPhone screen about once a day cause of grime/oil I can see this being a problem.

That said there is tech in testing that solves the finger smudge issue and I'm sure it'll be implemented soon, coupled with more complex algorithms for scanning software this is surely a future possibility, but iOS 7... I doubt it.

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Source?

Seems like it would suck if your hands are tied up and you want someone to lock up something on your iPhone. I was making dinner the other night and my hands were covered with raw meat and I needed to preset the oven. I told my girlfriend to look up the directions on my iPhone (she knows my passcode) and she preheated the oven.

That's just one example. Yes, you're right - probably more than 1/2 the time, people don't share passcodes but that still doesn't mean there aren't scenarios were you would need someone to use your iPhone.

I'm sure IF this were ever implemented you would be able to add more than one print, cause you wont just be using one finger to unlock after all.

 

[Solomani]

Fingerprint scanners? LOL. Sure as hell don't work well in my gym. My gym got rid of the membership cards. They now verify member sign-ins via fingerprint scanners.

Sometimes takes 4 or 5 tries before the EFFING thing recognizes me....

 

[whooleytoo]

I don't lock my home screen because I check my phone 1000 times a day and I hate the idea of having to type in a password every single time. A quick scan of my finger to unlock it would be pretty cool though. But the moment it doesn't pick up on your print quickly and accurately and you have to rescan it, then if it doesn't work you have to type in your password...it would only take a couple times of that scenario to happen for users to ditch it entirely and just go back to the manual password entry method.

Exactly, a lot depends on how quick and accurate the scanning is. If I could just place my fingertip on the screen and it instantly unlocks, that to me would be a nice improvement - I have to keep my phone locked as my office is a nightmare when it comes to practical jokes with unlocked phones & laptops - a one tap unlock would be very much appreciated.

 

[Appl3FTW]

Fantastic idea... i hate going thru my password after unlock.

 

[XboxMySocks]

one of the benefits of the tech the sensor tech people they acquired it's low power draw

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

 

[The Phazer]

Apple designers are the smartest in the business...they will only implement this if it works 100%

Siri.

Maps.

iCloud.

So no.

 

[XboxMySocks]

Siri.

Maps.

iCloud.

So no.

iCloud works brilliantly. Unless you're talking about MobileMe

 

[R1PPER]

In the increasingly competitive media circus. The press will hammer apple no matter what they do as its a "strong angle for them to leverage"

Siri. - Fantastic in quite situations.

Maps. - another media storm in a tea cup has anyone here actually have a problem with maps.

iCloud. - Works great for me thanks.

 

[The Phazer]

iCloud works brilliantly. Unless you're talking about MobileMe

No, iCloud's conflict resolution is a complete mess, which is why so few third party apps use it.

Even Gruber accepts this - http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/01/10/paczkowski-web-services

Siri. - Fantastic in quite situations.

70%+ failure rate.

Maps. - another media storm in a tea cup has anyone here actually have a problem with maps.

90%+ failure rate for POI in London.

iCloud. - Works great for me thanks.

Linked above.

 

[R1PPER]

Siri. - 70% of the questions asked are joke Q's in front of friends in noisy situations. Siri is a chicken and egg situation. it needs to exist before it can get better.

Maps. - i don't believe that. FULL STOP

iCloud. - i was talking about there itunes/web offering not their save syncing. Admittedly this is broken.

And always remember that 99.9% of statistics are total nonsense.

 

[Vinamra]

Source?

Seems like it would suck if your hands are tied up and you want someone to lock up something on your iPhone. I was making dinner the other night and my hands were covered with raw meat and I needed to preset the oven. I told my girlfriend to look up the directions on my iPhone (she knows my passcode) and she preheated the oven.

That's just one example. Yes, you're right - probably more than 1/2 the time, people don't share passcodes but that still doesn't mean there aren't scenarios were you would need someone to use your iPhone.

8/10 was an approximate. The point was, people don't tend to share their passcodes. I have some nasty friends who open my phone and eventually end up in my messages/whatsapp apps to get a peek-a-boo in my personal life. I don't mind it but I'd rather have them have a look at my phone under my supervision. The example you gave, I believe it would take a second or two to wash your finger. Maybe apple gives users an option of passcode and finger sensors. I don't think it would be gimmicky at all if they implement it properly (online payments, locks on individual apps (wishful thinking )).

 

[bandityo]

I had the fingerprint sensor on my Motorola Atrix 3 years ago..thanks latecomers

 

[dinggus]

If it's anything like the technology in the BAT/HIIDE system I used overseas, I will pass. Callused skin, cuts, etc almost made it impossible to get fingerprints sometimes that would be accepted by the system.

I sure do love that system.

 

[r2shyyou]

I sure do love that system.

"The dinggus ate my baby!" (Sorry, first thing that popped in my head upon seeing your username.)

But seriously, if it's anything like thewitt explains below (haven't done much research, myself), then calloused skin shouldn't be a problem.

I'll assume that Apple doesn't acquire crap technology (I don't know of all of their acquisitions). Furthermore, I know for a fact that they're able to implement technologies not previously offered by them in useful and successful ways (e.g. the iPhone). As such, if they implement fingerprint technology well (keyword is "well"), then it should be a boon to essentially everyone. Implementing it well would, in my opinion, mean doing so such that people essentially "forget" that it's there; it becomes an integral part of using whatever device.

It's up to them to do it well or screw it up, the latter being something that we all know they're not immune to.

The fingerprint tech that Apple bought is very advanced.

It can read through glass or plastic so it could simply be integrated into the home button.

It can read several layers deep in your skin, so surface damage does little to change readability.

It can detect whether there is blood flow in the finger or not - so no one could cut off your finger to unlock your phone.

With this, the passcode could become an optional unlock method. Add NFC and you have an extremely secure payment system which could easily incentivize credit card companies to push this technology to reduce fraudulent card use.

You could also automatically recognize different users and support different login accounts and access permissions.

Very cool enabling technology.

 

[matttye]

Would be pretty cool. Not sure about the innovation part though, the Motorola Atrix had one.

 

[dojoman]

No, iCloud's conflict resolution is a complete mess, which is why so few third party apps use it.

Even Gruber accepts this - http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/01/10/paczkowski-web-services



70%+ failure rate.



90%+ failure rate for POI in London.



Linked above.

You're making ***** up. Where did you get 70% failure rate? Failure of what??

 

[matttye]

No, iCloud's conflict resolution is a complete mess, which is why so few third party apps use it.

Even Gruber accepts this - http://daringfireball.net/linked/2013/01/10/paczkowski-web-services



70%+ failure rate.



90%+ failure rate for POI in London.



Linked above.

iCloud and Siri are both great for me.

Maps is appalling, but I have Google Maps now.

 

[lordofthereef]

The current tech (what has been available on laptops and the like for years) of fingerprint sensors just aren't up to par how they need to be IMO. This thing would need to work 99.999999999% of the time for it to be viable. Also, not sure how much space, physically, a sensor like this would take up. If they made it work I would think it would be valuable to a lot of people. Perhaps even requiring a fingerprint for a restore... would certainly thwart the desire for people to steal or keep lost iPhone for themselves.

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iCloud and Siri are both great for me.

Maps is appalling, but I have Google Maps now.

I know I have had huge issues with Siri. I was born and raised in cali. I have no accent to speak of. When she understands me (it has gotten better, maybe 95% of the time now) she often still gives me silly results. What I mean by this is she will repeat what I said, I say yes, and then she will give me some totally garbage info. I had a great screenshot where I was looking for the movie run times of avengers, she asked if the avengers is what I wanted, and then it spit back some other completely unrelated movie. I'll post it up if I can find it!

EDIT: Found it! Comedic GOLD!

 

[google]

Yes, their stock is tanking because people are expressing excitement about possible future implementations (read: monetizations) of technologies they previously acquired.

They have not used liquid metal when it was acquired.

 

[r2shyyou]

They have not used liquid metal when it was acquired.

And?

 

[matttye]

I know I have had huge issues with Siri. I was born and raised in cali. I have no accent to speak of. When she understands me (it has gotten better, maybe 95% of the time now) she often still gives me silly results. What I mean by this is she will repeat what I said, I say yes, and then she will give me some totally garbage info. I had a great screenshot where I was looking for the movie run times of avengers, she asked if the avengers is what I wanted, and then it spit back some other completely unrelated movie. I'll post it up if I can find it!

EDIT: Found it! Comedic GOLD!

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Haha that's funny

I've had problems like that before too. For the most part I get good results with Siri.

Yesterday I was driving and tried to set a reminder. I said "Remind me to ___ at 4pm" and it tried to set a reminder for 4pm the following day. I have no idea why, when it doesn't normally do that. This was at 8am in the morning on my way to work. I tried being more specific and said "Remind to ___, today, at 4pm" and it worked.

It occasionally has problems with names. Roisin (pronounced Ro-shin, an Irish name) causes a lot of problems. I end up having to say "Roy-zin"

No voice control will ever be perfect, but I find that I am able to get things done whilst driving without any frustration. S-Voice used to drive me mad.

Google Voice Search probably has a slight edge in that its' recognition seems more accurate and it's so fast, too. I like the way you can converse with Siri though, and geolocation reminders are great.