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I might be the only person on the planet that cannot notice a 120 Hz display 🤷🏼‍♂️

Had it on my iPad Pro before moving to the iPad Air 4 and didn’t notice.
Went from first retina MBP 2012 to 14inch MBP and don’t notice
I can easily see the difference, but 60Hz is really not that bad. 24Hz on the other hand can give some people headaches. The improvement that is 120Hz over 60Hz is less of a game changer than from 24Hz to 60Hz.
 
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Chrome 8 tabs open ... 88M
Safari 2 tabs open 71 M
Firefox 10 tabs open 816M + 200M for other related processes!

I like Firefox a lot but geez that's a memory load I wasn't expecting.
I've noticed this 2017 iMac slows down a lot lately. Unresponsive. I Force Kill Firefox and restart it and things go back to normal.
I don't think you're looking at Chrome's usage in Activity Monitor correctly.

You have to count all the Google Chrome Helper (Renderer) too

You'll have an entirely different outcome than 88 MB
 
I might be the only person on the planet that cannot notice a 120 Hz display 🤷🏼‍♂️

Had it on my iPad Pro before moving to the iPad Air 4 and didn’t notice.
Went from first retina MBP 2012 to 14inch MBP and don’t notice
Are you one of those people that doesn't see a problem with the soap opera effect on TVs?
 
I might be the only person on the planet that cannot notice a 120 Hz display 🤷🏼‍♂️

Had it on my iPad Pro before moving to the iPad Air 4 and didn’t notice.
Went from first retina MBP 2012 to 14inch MBP and don’t notice
Nah, you’re not the only one. 120Hz is a lot like 196kHz sampling rates. 120Hz is good for some things, especially professional video work (kinda like how 196kHz is good for studio audio work but makes no difference to sound quality), but you lose the benefits of it in almost everything else. 60Hz tends to be a perfectly fine refresh rate for most activities (though I did prefer 75Hz back in the days of CRT, as CRT had a bit of a flicker at 60Hz that was gone at 75Hz), and most people probably can’t sense more than 60Hz to 80Hz. But, like with studio audio work, when you’re doing professional work, it’s always easier to work with more data and render it down to 60fps (or 30, even) or to 44.1kHz for publishing than to try to master at the same specs that you’ll publish at. It’s always easier to have extra data that you can throw away instead of trying to extrapolate and interpolate data that isn’t there. I kinda wonder how the audio industry did it back in the early CD days, when 14 bit quantization and 44.1kHz was the max sampling rate, before DAT introduced 48kHz 24-bit audio to recording studios and before even 16-bit quantization came down in price for the pro market.
 
I might be the only person on the planet that cannot notice a 120 Hz display 🤷🏼‍♂️

Had it on my iPad Pro before moving to the iPad Air 4 and didn’t notice.
Went from first retina MBP 2012 to 14inch MBP and don’t notice

I don't notice it as much when I'm using it as when I then switch to something without it. Kind of ruins Low Battery mode for me because I can't stand 60Hz anymore.

It doesn't bother me as much on desktop monitors or non Macs because I'm used to Windows looking terrible, but on iOS devices and Macs I can't go back.

Just tried it on my 14 MBP as well and as soon as I turn on low battery mode it's like I'm seeing trails, the mouse cursor seems to jump positions rather than flow.

I think one day it will be like Retina displays where no one really appreciates it, but then they pull their old iPhone out of a box and go "oh wow."
 
Nah, you’re not the only one. 120Hz is a lot like 196kHz sampling rates. 120Hz is good for some things, especially professional video work (kinda like how 196kHz is good for studio audio work but makes no difference to sound quality), but you lose the benefits of it in almost everything else. 60Hz tends to be a perfectly fine refresh rate for most activities (though I did prefer 75Hz back in the days of CRT, as CRT had a bit of a flicker at 60Hz that was gone at 75Hz), and most people probably can’t sense more than 60Hz to 80Hz. But, like with studio audio work, when you’re doing professional work, it’s always easier to work with more data and render it down to 60fps (or 30, even) or to 44.1kHz for publishing than to try to master at the same specs that you’ll publish at. It’s always easier to have extra data that you can throw away instead of trying to extrapolate and interpolate data that isn’t there. I kinda wonder how the audio industry did it back in the early CD days, when 14 bit quantization and 44.1kHz was the max sampling rate, before DAT introduced 48kHz 24-bit audio to recording studios and before even 16-bit quantization came down in price for the pro market.

I don't think audio and visual are directly comparable. I don't want to wade into the debate about the limits of human hearing, I'll just say that I think a lot more people can tell the difference between 60 and 120. Above that probably not. Not that 60 isn't perfectly usable, we've been using it for decades.

Also a lot easier to get that 120Hz into your eyes than to transmit high fidelity audio into your ears. If a display is 120Hz it's 120Hz. If an audio file is 196KHz that still may not make a difference on whatever device the sound is coming out of, probably over Bluetooth.
 
Ive recently switched to Firefox on both iOS and macOS, because Safari is just a mess and I dont regret it. Although I would prefer a usable Safari.

Regarding the 120Hz discussion. You kiddin me? How can you not tell the difference? Even my almost tech illiterate 65yr old mother could instantly tell the difference without telling her what to look for…
 
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Wonder if it'll also include a Big Sur-style icon... it's one of the last apps I use to migrate to it.

Edit: just checked, it doesn't have an updated icon. :rolleyes:
I really like the current icon. It is easy to spot on the dock, as it stands out from the rest of boring uniformity ;)

One thing I really dislike about Firefox is, that it does not support spell checking on text. I am editing a remote learning system and missing spell checking gets really annoying. Still my my main browser though, because of uBlock Origin. Could not live without it.
 
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Extensive release notes: that's how you keep people more interested into updates. Not like the 3-4 lines on Apple's OS updates.

And yeah, regarding the Firefox icon, I decided to manually update mine because it is taking them too long: https://macosicons.com/#/
Don't you have to redo this after every update though?
 
Wonder if it'll also include a Big Sur-style icon... it's one of the last apps I use to migrate to it.

Edit: just checked, it doesn't have an updated icon. :rolleyes:

YES!!!!

Those new app icons look REALLY stupid. And the locked system volume stupidity keeps me from changing the system apps back to something non-stupid. At least I can still fix the other apps.

Firefox's current icon is pretty awful anyway, so I change it back to the icon from Firefox 3, much nicer.
 
Out of curiosity, how did you apply the new icon? I changed the "AppIcon.icns" file in the "resources" folder within the app package but it did not update the icon.
Of course, the instructions are here: https://macosicons.com/#/how-to

I had a lot of fun changing a few! (Most importantly: the ones by Microsoft)
Don't you have to redo this after every update though?
Not every update for Firefox (in fact, I don't think I've had to do it again for Firefox at all since I manually changed it). But every update for Microsoft apps. I'm not sure I get the logic. But it's worth my time.
 
What’s the point of having a 120hz display if you need apps that support it? If there were only two, then what?

I thought it should apply seamlessly through all apps.
 
I might be the only person on the planet that cannot notice a 120 Hz display 🤷🏼‍♂️

Had it on my iPad Pro before moving to the iPad Air 4 and didn’t notice.
Went from first retina MBP 2012 to 14inch MBP and don’t notice

It's very noticeable to me with 120 Hz content, but a lot less noticeable with day to day tasks. Unfortunately, there's not a ton of 120 Hz content since most videos are either 24, 30, or 60 Hz.

But man, run a 3D rendered scene at 120 frames per second, and it is very, very noticeable.
 
I might be the only person on the planet that cannot notice a 120 Hz display 🤷🏼‍♂️

Had it on my iPad Pro before moving to the iPad Air 4 and didn’t notice.
Went from first retina MBP 2012 to 14inch MBP and don’t notice
Yeah, I can't notice it at all between my 16" M1P MBP, and my 15" 2015 rMBP. I've tried, but just can't spot this so called smooth scrolling magic? I've checked my system preferences, and the Displays preferences show as Refresh Rate: ProMotion. I still own both machines and have specifically compared them together to try and spot this feature. Beats me.
 
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I don't think you're looking at Chrome's usage in Activity Monitor correctly.

You have to count all the Google Chrome Helper (Renderer) too

You'll have an entirely different outcome than 88 MB
Yes I sorted it and found another 350 on Chrome Helper bits ;(
 
I feel this is rather niche still, and considering the basics are broken I feel their efforts could be focused elsewhere (try detaching a tab on Firefox on macOS, and do the same exercise on Safari or Chrome and you’ll see what I mean. It literally takes seconds, versus instant in the others)
 
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