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Just a quick insight for the people who do believe Gradiente is trying to confuse people and trick them into buying their phone while they believe they are buying an Apple iPhone the smartphone market in Brazil is not as widespread as it is in the U.S for example, so there will be few grandmothers buying smartphones and the ones that do will not be really bothered by not having an Apple phone, they most likely don't care for the latest device as they understand a device will not stop working after a new one came out, making it clear, I'm not a brazilian trying to justify the move by Gradiente nor am I here to judge anyone, I'm just a guy that has been working in huge companies in the South America/Africa region so I do understand both markets a little.
 
Widgets add too much clutter for some people. It's not about effort. Actually, the Notification Center kinda has widgets already except that they're neatly arranged and tucked away.

He stated, "iPad lock screen, might be useful to have a weather/stocks widget for "at a glance" information. But then, I could ask Siri and get it in 4 seconds. Does the job now, really."

Clutter might be an issue. But that's not what he was illustrating with his point when he stated the above.
 
Just a quick insight for the people who do believe Gradiente is trying to confuse people and trick them into buying their phone while they believe they are buying an Apple iPhone the smartphone market in Brazil is not as widespread as it is in the U.S for example, so there will be few grandmothers buying smartphones and the ones that do will not be really bothered by not having an Apple phone, they most likely don't care for the latest device as they understand a device will not stop working after a new one came out, making it clear, I'm not a brazilian trying to justify the move by Gradiente nor am I here to judge anyone, I'm just a guy that has been working in huge companies in the South America/Africa region so I do understand both markets a little.

A Vergil sentence. Latin students will get it :)
The issue is more about copyright infringement than buyers getting confused.
 
They won the trademark in 2000, seven years before the first iPhone came out.

So... what are you talking about?

I'm not taking sides here, just saying that lawyers might that approach in court.
 
I think apple will offer a very low bid for the name. Then after the lawyers have taken all of this companies money trying to defend against apple it will fold and have to take a lower bid to pay its debts.

I'm sure that something similar happened with the proview case and apple has enough money to just let it happen.

There should be some sort of worldwide trade thing invented to help sort these kind of issues. It makes no sense for businesses to self destruct over names. I think it's all very childish from everyone involved and in the end it's the legal team inventing their own worth and the lawyers who make a killing.
 
A Vergil sentence. Latin students will get it :)
The issue is more about copyright infringement than buyers getting confused.

I know that but there was a guy quoting me and saying that this would be the problem and all that Gradiente wanted was some money, they do want money but I believe they envision themselves as a player in the brazilian market which yields much more dollars than a simple naming rights battle maybe the battle is a bonus for them, maybe not, I'm just saying if Positivo can be somewhat competitive in the brazilian market why Gradiente can't? I got off-topic again but anyways....
 
He stated, "iPad lock screen, might be useful to have a weather/stocks widget for "at a glance" information. But then, I could ask Siri and get it in 4 seconds. Does the job now, really."

Clutter might be an issue. But that's not what he was illustrating with his point when he stated the above.

Maybe he just doesn't want to have the weather constantly displayed on his lock screen and prefers to only get it through Siri queries. I don't think Siri is the best tool for this. It requires the Internet and uses your data when it could just do this stuff locally. Plus, if you leave Siri enabled on your lock screen, anyone can send messages from your locked iPhone!

The best thing to do IMO is have another Notification Center category to show app activity that the app provides to put on the lock screen ONLY when you double-tap home. You know how double-tapping home brings up the music controls in the lock screen? They could just have it also bring up notifications underneath, effectively adding widget capability for the most part. The one problem is that my home-button is messed up and isn't that reliable :(
 
Can you actually make calls on that thing? That green little robot makes it look like a toy.
 
and maybe he should answer for himself since he knows best what he meant. I appreciate your answer (sincerely). I think we both know what my point was and that his argument is weak at best.

Maybe he just doesn't want to have the weather constantly displayed on his lock screen and prefers to only get it through Siri queries. I don't think Siri is the best tool for this. It requires the Internet and uses your data when it could just do this stuff locally. Plus, if you leave Siri enabled on your lock screen, anyone can send messages from your locked iPhone!

The best thing to do IMO is have another Notification Center category to show app activity that the app provides to put on the lock screen ONLY when you double-tap home. You know how double-tapping home brings up the music controls in the lock screen? They could just have it also bring up notifications underneath, effectively adding widget capability for the most part. The one problem is that my home-button is messed up and isn't that reliable :(
 
It's because of discussions like this, and stupid minded people that I don't like to show my phone, it's a 4S, but when I'm not around friends I don't like to show it around and I don't say, my iPhone does this, or my iPhone is ringing, I call is my phone. It's because stupid minded people that a person like myself can't say iPhone without giving away the wrong impression! Or maybe it's the other way around.
 
Dumb stunt

Obviously, since the mark has been virtually dormant since 2000, the company is only releasing a product to claim damages when Apple reaches Brazil in earnest. Their meager sales, however, will not likely result in a significant license fee. They'll be fortunate if Apple takes the time to scrape iGB from the bottom of its shoes.
 
Android sure does look dull... :rolleyes:

No it isn't, that's simply your opinion, I for one think that default Android 4 and above looks beautiful. If it isn't to your liking you can skin it how you like very easily, you can get an iOS launcher if you wanted, a Windows Phone launcher, or other launchers that present a unique experience

I have, was on a HTC One XL at my University (We were testing Android's security, that was a laugh!). It was pathetic, got absolutely NOTHING on iOS. The Android user experience is one of the worst 'computing' platforms I've ever seen, how the consumer can use it - let alone like it - is well beyond me.

They tested iOS for use as phones here in the Royal Air Force, it failed on roughly 161 security violations so we're sticking with Blackberries. I understand the American Army is looking into Android.

I had about 10 minutes of use with the device.

Let's start with the responsiveness and consistency of the UI. I would have got more response out of poking a potato. The whole home screen is, to me, a nightmare, it's not clear what you can actually do with it. App launcher made sense. What's the point on asking me what app to launch if there's only one app listed?

About the Apps... yeah, they were poor. Stock apps were okay (obviously designed for the device), but the rest through the Marketplace... meh. Comparing an App running side by side with my iPhone 4 (at the time), the iPhone 4 was running it faster (lower load times, seemingly higher frame rate)

The whole point of the exercise: security. Put it this way, an iPhone 4 with an 8 char passcode is pretty much unhackable. Same passcode on Android, plugged into a basic Intel Core i5 desktop PC, took about 38 minutes to break it. Face unlock, we were able to use a Facebook picture to get past it.

Android is a pathetic, unoptimised, insecure mess. I stand by my previous comment, iOS is significantly better than Android at just about everything. (Except the USB drive functionality, you can have that one).

At the end of that particular lab, fellow students opinion on Android were quickly changed. As of my last lab, nobody had an Android device, they'd swapped them for Win8 devices, iPhone 4S/5's and even a BlackBerry.

Did I answer your question?

I find most of the apps to be the same as Android, some apps even have more functionality because Android allows you to do more.

I wish I had only spent five. In fact, none at all. Just justified my stance on that "OS".

The hardware was quite poor too, screen was nice, but again, nothing that the iPhone 4 or the WinPhone devices couldn't have beaten.

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At any point did I say my assessment was thorough? Nope. I was asked if I had used an Android device, I answered. It's ****. End of my input.

Playing with a phone for 10 minutes does not qualify you to pass reasonable judgement on it, but then you picked one with poor hardware and got a bad experience. Ive seen how my old iPhone 3G is doing, it stutters and lags switching homescreens, settings takes literally 5 seconds to open. It basically screams "Kill me!"


Yeah, plugged into a desktop and we left it. The device was "sleeping", but was actually being brute-forced via USB. I "played" with the device for about 10 minutes.

That is not enough time to form a proper opinion on a device.

...Yeah, so? It still looks dull. There's nothing there, a skinny clock and a few icons, wow, really vibrant and exciting! ;) Wasted pixels.

How does it look dull? I think it looks rather elegant, I don't have that clock on my homescreen, thats whats great about Android, don't like something? Get rid of it. Complaining because theres "just a few icons" on there? Put more on.


Lol, and I'm the Android Fanboy hanging out on an Apple rumours website. *giggles* :apple:

Just because he's debunking your lies about Android does not make him a fanboy.

Yeah, it looks 100x better. There's no wasted pixels, they're being used with something useful.

My opinions are mine only, I don't care if you do/don't like them. I've used an Android device, not for long, but those 10 minutes were enough to make me detest Android, on a so-called "Premium" device.

Just on a side note, how about you show the default layout, instead of a cherry-picked one that doesn't look as awesome as you know it can be. :D EDIT: Like the post by the smart guy below:



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Ahh, excellent. Yup, that's a perfect example of how much better it is. Look, NO WASTED PIXELS! :cool: It's colourful, vibrant, organised!

There are plenty of wasted pixels on iPhone, infact I used to jailbreak my iPhones and make it so the icons were closer together, you can fit a whole new column and row in when that happens.

Show me an awesome screenshot, displaying all the amazing content, and I'll judge it. You're presenting me with (what you're admitting is) a substandard image, what were you expecting?

iOS is consistant. All these radical changes in appearance is just Google bending to avoid potential harm from Apple. It's a shame the manufacturers just don't seem to get it.

Radical changes? They're mostly cosmetic, I think it looks sleek and elegant, I got so bored of iOS after using it since the iPhone 1. I'm guessing you wouldnt be happy with Android unless you were using this launcher?

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First one just looks cramped! That all fits on a 4 inch screen? Yikes, better get some sandpaper.

Second one looks a lot better than the first. Nice amount of breathing space between the icons, sorting features are a nice touch.

"Screenshot saved to Camera shots" - Does that come up every time you take a screenshot? Must be a bug! :eek: (Or a really crap "feature", I hear Android has a lot of "features" iOS doesn't have...)

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Very true, no tech is. But, the GS3 isn't that much less than an iPhone. Not sure how much a One X+ is.

Yes it tells you you've saved a screenshot, its not a bug, Oh no! a tiny message tells me the screenshot has been saved comes up for a brief second!

You're correct, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I posted mine, you lot responded [by flaming me]. (Not saying YOU but,) do I snoop about Android forums? Nope.

You say people are entitled to their own opinion, yet you're effectively saying anyone who has a different opinion to you is "wrong".

The only Android screencap that looks okay is the second Nexus 4 one. The rest... nothing jumps out at all. The weather widget is useful, but I can get it in the Notification Centre in iOS at any point.

Someone said the home screen shouldn't do much anyway because they don't spend much time on it. Well, I suppose that's true. What's the point in all those widgets, now wasting memory and data?

Springboard does what it's meant to do PERFECTLY. Nothing more, nothing less. It's got a search box, icons, and a dock. What more does it need?

Yes you can have a weather widget or stocks in Notification centre, however that takes an extra step to reach, iOS is full of that, pointless extra steps to achieve the same result. Try making Safari go into private browsing and get back to the browser, count the steps.

*inserts populated Notification Centre.

Fixed.

*Uses Siri
*Plays music
*Takes picture

What if I don't want to use Siri, play music or take a picture at that point? If I don't currently have any notifications at that point my locks screen is 80% wasted space.

Things that fulfil your needs should be executed by immersive, high quality, fit-for-function Apps, not the home screen and shoehorned widgets.

Apps on Android are high quality too, I've seen plenty of crap apps on iOS.

*Yawns.

Why should I have to rely on a third party tool to change the appearance of my device? Anyway, if anyone spent any UI/UX time on Android, you wouldn't need to customise it.

iOS's "one size fits all" is one of its strongest points. Apple NAILED it's appearance and UX. Even to this day it feels modern and fitting, even for a nearly 6 year old OS. (that's likely been in development for longer than we've seen).

People have spent time on UI/UX on Android, and most people love it, Apple have not nailed the UI, perhaps years and years ago it was nice, now it's boring, flat, resistant to change. Anyone who says Apple "nailed" the UI with a straight face after seeing apps like "Find a Friend" or "GameCenter"is a liar or a troll.

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Instead of coming to your own conclusions, CONTRIBUTE!
If widgets are useful for you, awesome!

My iPhone has one on the Notification Centre. I hardly use it: I launch the app that does it 10x better- THAT'S THE POINT.

If they were on my home screen, I would disable them. iPad lock screen, might be useful to have a weather/stocks widget for "at a glance" information. But then, I could ask Siri and get it in 4 seconds. Does the job now, really.


Why not simply get the information at a glance instantly instead of making Siri pop up (Felt like a significant delay for Siri on my iPhone 5, let her process the request for 5-6 seconds and then come back with "I'm sorry, I don't understand 'Lawnmower bathroom carpet blue onions'"


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I could go off about security problems in various versions of Android. But instead I'd like to ask why the heck are you all arguing about Android 4.x when the phone in question runs 2.3?
 

The titile is indeed misleading but when you go into the ad it is clearly stated that they are selling the HiPhone 5 and not the iPhone 5, Gradiente is not behind this phone as they are behind the arguably original brazilian iPhone 5

So the does it really matter when the people of Brazil cant even afford flip phone?

Kind of xenophobic and lacking in facts.
 
Why fight it?

They applied in 2000 fair and square when there was barely an "i" anything. iphone is already established. The question is why was apple never sued 5 yrs ago. There will be no confusion. Apple would be wasting time fighting a trademark that someone else thought of first. Get over it.:apple:
 
I love hypocrites like yourself.

If Apple is getting screwed over, it's justice. But when an Apple competitor comes along blatantly trying to get money, It's "how dare Apple bully a poor small company like this"


I disagree. When Apple Launched the iPhone they should have searched the trademark database prior to using the term. Why didn't Apple approach to purchase the trademark? Or did Apple think they can use the term and not have to pay for it? After all they expect others to pay royalties for using bounch scroll effect. They paid Cisco to buy the iPhone in USA after they launched the phone using a name prior to buying it from Cisco.

To me Apple is the bad guy not honoring others Trademarks and Patents
 
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