You could before, but based on the picture of the logic board from the keynote, I doubt it on the new one.
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Please stop spouting lies.
The new MBA is faster than than the 2017 13" nTB MBP.
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You could before, but based on the picture of the logic board from the keynote, I doubt it on the new one.
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Please stop spouting lies.
The new MBA is faster than than the 2017 13" nTB MBP.
Well, post all the blurry photos you want, they're similar dual core chips, but one can use 15W of power, the other is capped at 7. I'm more inclined to believe the OP figures. If nothing else, the anaemic UHD 617 is a bottleneck to doing anything too intensive with this machine. UHD 615 is still leagues behind the HD 6000 in the 2015 Air, let alone Iris plus 640. I find it difficult to believe the 617 will bring that much of a boost, particularly when hitting up against a severe TDP ceiling.
It's from Apple Insider's hands on. And for those of us who can read, OP didn't use the entry-level processor in their original post either which scored 4208 which is still lower than 4248.
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The numbers you quote for the 2017 ntb is an average which could include many runs that had background tasks running. A true representative number shows it being a bit higher for single core and significantly higher for multi core
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/10072158
No ****, it's an average. Once again you linked to the higher processor, not the entry-level one.
https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/415
As far as I can find, there's an i5-7360U (which is what @thunng8 posted scores for) and an i7-7660U as an upgrade, so yeah, that is the nTB base processor.
https://everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup/?search_keywords=A1708
I did not link a higher processor.
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And you screenshotted a single run of Geekbench on the air and compared to an average for the ntb.
Once Geekbench compiles an average for the air you can be certain it will be a lot less than your screenshot
I haven't posted any screenshots, and am also making the argument the Pro will be more powerful.
It’s not my screenshot; reading is hard. It’s from Apple Insider’s first impressions video.
Doesn’t change the fact that it produced a number higher than the average, and also doesn’t change the fact that it’s a stupid argument to even be comparing the performance of an Air to a Pro in the first place. If you’re concerned about maximum performance, the Air wouldn’t even be on your radar.
Some good discussion here--and this is where the conversation should be. What is the raw performance capability of this new machine? I heard the podcast from the mac marketing guy today and blah blah blah experience using the machine matters ya.
But how often and why do I see the beachball? That is the experience I think people are most worried about. I want to avoid that no matter what kind of work I do.
I will ask again, is there any kind of non-qualitative estimate for the systemic improvements Apple makes that is not captured by Geekbench?
I hear a lot of "real world use" thrown around as a benchmark. Which is my cup of tea. I think of how does the new MBA 13" perform when switching between spaces on the Dell p2715q 27 inch 4k display?
I really care that the machine be more beefy than the 2015 11" air I'm running. I mean it had better be way better. I have a hard time understanding how these geekbench scores truly compare these experiences.
But how often and why do I see the beachball? That is the experience I think people are most worried about. I want to avoid that no matter what kind of work I do.
I will ask again, is there any kind of non-qualitative estimate for the systemic improvements Apple makes that is not captured by Geekbench?
I hear a lot of "real world use" thrown around as a benchmark. Which is my cup of tea. I think of how does the new MBA 13" perform when switching between spaces on the Dell p2715q 27 inch 4k display?
I really care that the machine be more beefy than the 2015 11" air I'm running. I mean it had better be way better. I have a hard time understanding how these geekbench scores truly compare these experiences.
From my personal opinion reading through all these posts and articles. It won't be way better due to the UHD 617 being the real bottleneck on graphics related stuff and maybe even MacOS UI animations jitter down the road. Especially because this underpowered UHD 617 iGPU, not sure how much more power than it is to the HD6000 in the previous air, now has to power the more demanding retina resolution of the new air.
Considering your 4k display, I think the OS UI animation will lag considerably and that might cause things to slow down.
People say that, yet there are countless videos of the slower 12” MacBook performing intensive functions just fine. there’s also a video showcasing examples the new MBA’s performance posted in this thread already and there’s no lag to be seen.
Yeah, that makes me unsure too. So I have to test it! But my 2014 13" MBP, my mum's 12" MB 2015 and my sold 2016 15" MBP (using iGPU) all lagged in animation UI. Maybe it is MacOS software optimisation problem hahaha.
FWIW, my comparison is docked with the laptop closed--so the MBA 2018 will be driving this monitor and spaces animation only. My comparison is that 2015 11" and it is somewhat mind boggling that this comparable machine wouldn't be able to handle the same operation way better.
If it really does not, I think it may be that the 2015 11" MBA was actually one of the best price / performance mac laptops in the past several years. It just lacked a retina screen.
And if it really doesn't just handle the same stuff I'm doing normally much better than the 2015 11" I'm going to return the machine and pick up a Mini instead.
You were arguing that the 2018 air was faster than the base 2017 mbp non touchbar by comparing an average of the mbp against a one-off result of the latest air. That is just not the case. The mbp is faster.
Comparing the base mbp vs air is not stupid. There’s only $100 between them. So for that $100 you are getting a faster machine. Slightly faster at single core and quite a lot faster at multi core CPu performance.
As for graphics performance it is not even close, the mbp is a lot faster
Don’t come to conclusions before seeing more results if you don’t like the results presented to you. I presented results, you chose not to believe them.
CPU speed isn’t the only deciding factor between an MBA and a MBP.
Mind boggling indeed.
Your 2015 11" is using the Intel HD 6000, the Macbook 2017 is using the HD 615, and the new Macbook Air is using UHD 617 which is similar to the HD 615.
Comparing the 2 in various graphics and gaming benchmark in notebookcheck.net shows that the old Broadwell HD6000 is the faster card in most cases. So it is possible that on the graphics side, your old MB Air 11" is faster.
I might be wrong, and some of the HD615 and the UHD617's better scores could be the relevant factors that result in an overall better performance of the card than the HD6000. I have no idea what those benchmarks stands for hahaha.
I will have to see it for myself when I receive the new Macbook Air. All I care for is no lag in the UI and I will be satisfied with the purchase! Hopefully the lags might also be from unoptimised animation codes.
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Wh
o said I didn’t believe your results. I presented a result of the mbp being a lot higher. There are times other like that if you browse the Geekbench results browser
CPU speed isn’t the only deciding factor between the two. The keyboard difference is a big one alone. I’d happily spend $100 LESS for a better functioning keyboard than a very marginal difference in speed that 95% of people wouldn’t notice.
Yes! Keyboard is deal breaker too! I do not tolerate the faulty keyboard of the 2016 model hence why I sold it (along with other reasons).
The new Macbook Air is a sexy machine!
Macs have less than 10% market share globally. Even if you look at more wealthier countries i doubt that Macs reach anymore than 15% market share.
If Apple targets the upper 25% wealthiest part of the population, they probably needs to get less than 50% of that market to maintain market share.
In the US, such households makes at least $110 000.