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Tim? is that you?

JK - so this watch is being sold to serious runners. That's the marketing pitch at least.

So of course it's fair to question the validity of the watch as a serious training watch for runners.

Why it even has a special nike app for runners doesn't it?
It's not really marketed to serious runners. I think they're trying to appeal to beginner to moderate runners that may aspire to one day become serious runners.

Probably folks that do 1 to 10 miles a week.

They're also pushing to swimmers and the Fitbit crowd.
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"dat band though" any knockoffs yet :p
Post #17 above. I'd link it, but I don't know how.
 
Tim? is that you?
As in Mr. Gross? Nope, wrong side of the pond. :D You wouldn't be Gabe would you?


JK - so this watch is being sold to serious runners. That's the marketing pitch at least.
I disagree. The feature set alone belies that assumption, and the marketing also shows it clearly aimed at the more casual/social runner.

Consider from Apple's web site:
Are we running today?
Running together is better than running alone. Get all the coaching, pacing, and camaraderie you need to get going. And keep going.

Get motivated to get moving.
Receive reminders triggered by your friends’ shared activity, the current weather, or your own history, so you’ll always have a reason to run.

Truly "serious" runners don't need that and largely don't want that.

So yeah, is it being sold to runners? Sure. Serious competitive runners needing deep dive data? No.

Think FR35 not FR735XT.
 
Tim? is that you?

JK - so this watch is being sold to serious runners. That's the marketing pitch at least.

So of course it's fair to question the validity of the watch as a serious training watch for runners.

Why it even has a special nike app for runners doesn't it?

Honest question Eggplant, are you a "serious runner?” I only ask because there are a lot of people on here who are not, yet proclaim to be experts on the subject of what a “serious runner” would want on his/her wrist. Personally, I am a pretty “serious” runner and I’m anxious awaiting my first Apple Watch to be delivered today.

I truly can’t stand Nike, but that’s of little consequence. The watch is only a tool for gathering data. I use other tools for interpreting the data (same as with the Garmin). I also fully expect other app developers to write quality apps for the Apple Watch platform which I could potentially use in lieu of the included Nike app.
 
Honest question Eggplant, are you a "serious runner?” I only ask because there are a lot of people on here who are not, yet proclaim to be experts on the subject of what a “serious runner” would want on his/her wrist. Personally, I am a pretty “serious” runner and I’m anxious awaiting my first Apple Watch to be delivered today.

I truly can’t stand Nike, but that’s of little consequence. The watch is only a tool for gathering data. I use other tools for interpreting the data (same as with the Garmin). I also fully expect other app developers to write quality apps for the Apple Watch platform which I could potentially use in lieu of the included Nike app.
So other than the slick band, there's not anything here that you personally wouldn't have gotten with a standard S2. I still don't believe that the Nike watch is marketed to serious runners like yourself. Doesn't mean serious runners won't want it for other reasons ... after all, serious runners probably do all the other things that non-runners that have Apple watches do too.
 
Idk if gen 1 had Nike watchbands but I saw some Nike ones weeks ago at my local official Apple reseller and TBH I find the design w the holes and the neon colors makes it look like a cheap <$50 sports watch.
 
So other than the slick band, there's not anything here that you personally wouldn't have gotten with a standard S2. I still don't believe that the Nike watch is marketed to serious runners like yourself. Doesn't mean serious runners won't want it for other reasons ... after all, serious runners probably do all the other things that non-runners that have Apple watches do too.

Absolutely true. I only purchased the Nike branded version because of the band. That said, I’m purchasing my first Apple Watch due to the platofrm (finally) having GPS and being able to be used as a serious data gathering tool for the first time.

So you have a great point there.

The nice thing about all of this is the Nike branded version is otherwise exactly they same as the standard S2, and doesn’t cost even a penny more.
 
As in Mr. Gross? Nope, wrong side of the pond. :D You wouldn't be Gabe would you?



I disagree. The feature set alone belies that assumption, and the marketing also shows it clearly aimed at the more casual/social runner.

Consider from Apple's web site:

Truly "serious" runners don't need that and largely don't want that.

So yeah, is it being sold to runners? Sure. Serious competitive runners needing deep dive data? No.

Think FR35 not FR735XT.

ha yes :D

Well if you improve battery life, allow for blue tooth sensors, etc. you have a pretty serious run watch that i'd consider.

Right now trying to decide which macbook pro to get - good lord the apple tax is madness on these new pcs :eek:
 
ha yes :D

Well if you improve battery life, allow for blue tooth sensors, etc. you have a pretty serious run watch that i'd consider

Ha indeed! I go by a different ID there, but we've communicated before.

As for BT sensors, it seems that HR straps are supported. See http://www.imore.com/how-pair-external-heart-rate-monitor-apple-watch and https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204218

In theory other sensors ought to be usable provided there's software support. No telling what impact it'd have on battery life though. May simply not be suitable for long events at this revision.

In reality, remember we're at second gen hardware. Garmin has had a few years of evolution since their 2nd gen FR201 which had a few rough edges too... :)

It will be very interesting to see what software features get added both from Apple and from 3rd party app vendors.

EDIT: I don't mean to imply the AW2 is the solution for everyone, it isn't. At first glance it does seem to have potential to be a very decent solution for the mid to low market.
 
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Looks like the copy-cat watch bands are already available on eBay. I may pick one up for my Series 0 Apple Watch.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Replacement...hash=item1c73c6fca6:m:mEiniXeeu6F0CzANvn2oXlg

I really like some of those! Too bad there almost completely sold out :-(
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Idk if gen 1 had Nike watchbands but I saw some Nike ones weeks ago at my local official Apple reseller and TBH I find the design w the holes and the neon colors makes it look like a cheap <$50 sports watch.

I don't like the neon-it's not my style, personally- but I do like the more stated grey/black one. There's a knock-off navy and white one on ebay that suits my fancy quite nicely.
 
I really like some of those! Too bad there almost completely sold out :-(
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I don't like the neon-it's not my style, personally- but I do like the more stated grey/black one. There's a knock-off navy and white one on ebay that suits my fancy quite nicely.

Yea, some of the non-copy colors are cool too. I searched "Apple Watch Nike Band" and also "Apple Watch Volt Band" and found a few suppliers. "Volt" is apparently the Neon Yellow-Green color....searching for that gets you the ones that decided not to use the Nike brand name....which I'm sure Nike will be objecting to. Many come direct from China, though the link I posted seems to be a US seller. I'm sure the out of stock colors will be back soon.
 
Ha indeed! I go by a different ID there, but we've communicated before.

As for BT sensors, it seems that HR straps are supported. See http://www.imore.com/how-pair-external-heart-rate-monitor-apple-watch and https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204218

In theory other sensors ought to be usable provided there's software support. No telling what impact it'd have on battery life though. May simply not be suitable for long events at this revision.

In reality, remember we're at second gen hardware. Garmin has had a few years of evolution since their 2nd gen FR201 which had a few rough edges too... :)

It will be very interesting to see what software features get added both from Apple and from 3rd party app vendors.

EDIT: I don't mean to imply the AW2 is the solution for everyone, it isn't. At first glance it does seem to have potential to be a very decent solution for the mid to low market.

Just a matter of time. agreed.

What other forum are you on?
 
I really like some of those! Too bad there almost completely sold out :-(
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I don't like the neon-it's not my style, personally- but I do like the more stated grey/black one. There's a knock-off navy and white one on ebay that suits my fancy quite nicely.
Neon makes it look like a regular cheap sports watch for sure. I do not like the holes on the bands at all though, but all these is personal taste issues of course :)
 
Definitely fashion over function.

Let's see an Apple Watch last through a marathon run and throughout the day after

Why does the Apple Watch have to last through a marathon? What's considered "Lasting?" Do you have any evidence supporting that it won't last?

It appears the Apple Watch suits plenty of active lifestyles. Not every Fitness Watch is compared to a Garmin.
 
Why does the Apple Watch have to last through a marathon? What's considered "Lasting?" Do you have any evidence supporting that it won't last?

If you're not a marathoner, it doesn't matter.

Apple claims the gps-on battery life is up to 5 hours

If you're a 5+ hour marathoner, you'll be wondering what you'll be doing for pace/HR info after your watch battery dies.
 
If you're not a marathoner, it doesn't matter.

Apple claims the gps-on battery life is up to 5 hours

If you're a 5+ hour marathoner, you'll be wondering what you'll be doing for pace/HR info after your watch battery dies.

I think most will find the Apple Watch battery life suitable for various excercise and other work outs. That's what Apple I believe intended, to appeal to a mass audience, not concentrated solely on one form of fitness.
 
I think most will find the Apple Watch battery life suitable for various excercise and other work outs. That's what Apple I believe intended, to appeal to a mass audience, not concentrated solely on one form of fitness.

I agree. I was directly answering the question asked.
 
Wore my stainless series zero for a marathon running the workout app and throughout the day after and went to bed with 20% charge. Maybe you're just running too slow?
Series zero doesn't have GPS though. On a marathon I would be using GPS the entire time. I wonder if it could go up to 5 hours with the GPS on. (4:30ish marathoner here)
 
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