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First Benchmark Results Surface for M3 Chip in New Macs
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Yeah, I struggle with the value prop. I use my PC and try to ignore the sound of the giant fans and the heat warming my entire room. But... do I need to? Can't I just send to a farm for rendering these days?
I'm considering the M3 Max Studio to avoid having a combination space heater/vacuum cleaner under my desk. And at least for my use case, Redshift's GPU renderer is supposedly more stable on the mac, and with Apple's shared memory, it can fit more in a scene.
nVidia driver bugs and/or issues are wrecking some of the 3d world stability.
Yes, that is Apple's business strategy. As a customer it's SO annoying that I always feel I should have bought the next step up. As a businessman, I strongly admire Apple's Product Management work. They are SO good at pricing the next step such that it's JUST at the point where we bitch and moan, but still buy it. And every time you do a step up, they have another step that feels like it might just be a better deal. This is how you do business.
Noooo, who will clean your floor and keep you warm then.
New M3 Max Benchmark (if this is to be believed).
wccftech.com
Still waiting on single-core score.
M3 Max Beats Apple’s Desktop-Class M2 Ultra In Multi-Threaded Results By A Small Margin While Having Fewer CPU Cores
The M3 Max is now the fastest Apple Silicon in existence as it is able to beat the M2 Ultra in multi-core tests, albeit by a small margin
wccftech.com
Still waiting on single-core score.
Whilst repugnant behaviour, it does make sense up to a point from a purely business perspective. As others mentioned there is always a tipping point. Take the piss too much and customers will take their money elsewhere. So many of my European friends, especially those working in the tech industry, wouldn't touch Apple with a barge pole at this point.
The 3nm switch enabled (at least some of) the higher clock rate.
Single core will be around the same as the M3New M3 Max Benchmark (if this is to be believed).
M3 Max Beats Apple’s Desktop-Class M2 Ultra In Multi-Threaded Results By A Small Margin While Having Fewer CPU Cores
The M3 Max is now the fastest Apple Silicon in existence as it is able to beat the M2 Ultra in multi-core tests, albeit by a small margin
Still waiting on single-core score.
From a business standpoint again: I'm searching my brain for the right word to use here, but "hearsay" from a limited group of people has less value than actual sales numbers, and customer satisfaction surveys. If sales are up, Apple isn't "alienating their customers", they are just satisfying a different group of people. Tough if you are the one getting screwed, but it doesn't mean they are doing it wrong.
It is simply that folks who appreciate improved computing competence in their work all just prefer middle to high models in lineup.
Comparing Mac benchmark vs Windows benchmark is meaningless. Comparing iPhone benchmark vs Android benchmark is meaningless. Comparing benchmarks for new Macs to old Macs is not.
Yeah, a 14" MacBook Pro with a base M3 with 16 GB of RAM is $1,799, while a base M3 Pro with 18GB is only $1,899. So for only $100, you get 2 GB more RAM and a faster CPU.
A benchmark does not adequately show a user how the Mac will do with the user specific day to day tasks. I don't buy Apple products based on benchmark scores.
I am caught between having a lot to rave about and having a lot to be embarrassed about.
The M3 chip (assuming this is the basic chip) is 211% faster than my 2013 15 inch Intel MBP (which I am typing on right now).
Dang.... It is well passed time for me to get a new MBP.
Don’t know what country you work in or what sector, but I see the opposite. Working in tech for 25 years and everyone that can prefers macs. Yes, there are companies that don’t, but even then the people I meet would prefer them.
I’m simplifying it a bit of course. There is a ”Windows crowd” who will pick that for any task. I doubt there is much Apple could do to win them over.
I’m simplifying it a bit of course. There is a ”Windows crowd” who will pick that for any task. I doubt there is much Apple could do to win them over.
I wouldn't call a single display support Pro spec. That's not even consumer spec. That's Tim Apple being cheap spec. The pathetic RAM just comes after this.
Thanks that’s almost useful, but I need to know Logic Pro practical differences. M3 can play X tracks, M3 Pro can play Y. When do I need a Pro or a Max, how much RAM can I get away with, tested in real world projects.
Threadripper 7995WX says hello. You also you forget that the M2 Ultra could only score 40% more than the M2 Max while being two Maxes glued together. It scales horrendously.
Sounds like apple marketing. If a task finishes faster, it finishes faster. Numbers don't lie. I remember when they would spew this near the PowerPC's end and then a couple months later they were using Intel CPU's. Lol.
So base M3 with 8 cores at 4.05 GHz and 15W has almost the same single-core score (3076) as Intel's i9-14900K with 24 cores at 6 GHz and 125W (3121)? Like Borat said Naaajjss!
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That's a really low score for the 14900k. If you look on Geekbench's web site, multi-core scores of >26000 and single core scores of 3400 are not unusual. Also, single core benchmarking won't bring either chip near it's max TDP. Multi-core benchmarking will, though, which is why the fastest multicore chips are desktop chips.
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I'm curious: Those of you who get really riled up about a product with "Pro" in the name not being "pro" enough, are you also going to Microsoft forums complaining about a base level Surface Pro having 8 GB of RAM (with a less memory efficient Intel CPU), and 128 GB of SSD? And go to Samsung forums complaining about a Galaxy Book Pro that has 8 GB of RAM? Or are you only angry at Apple?
I would like a faster Mac. I would not like a Windows PC that is faster than my Mac. I'm sure gamers feel the same way about Macs.
Everything still ships Nov 7 expect the Max models. I Remember I was facing 30 day estimates when I ordered my M1 if I were upgrading the ram. 2 months after launch. And M3 supposed to be much more scarce.
And to add to the hearsay, I'm European and I work in the tech industry, and right now I'm testing using my old pc to see how could I replace certain functions and programs I use on Mac. It's just too much, the horrible starting specs, the upgrade prices, slower ssds with m2, now less cores with m3 pro, still not supporting multiple displays on the base cpu, not even in clamshell mode, 17 year old feature requests in Apple support forum without a reply from anyone from Apple, changing the beautiful M1 Air/pro design to that ugly baking tray with a notch, and just generally making everything bigger.
Right now I'm postponing the upgrade indefinitely (while I could use more ram), and quite sure if I buy another Macbook it will be the very basic model and will use it to remote to the PC I actually do work with.