Only other way I know is turning it off. iPhones require password at power on.Is there a way to get your phone to lock without triggering an emergency call (I know you can cancel it, but it still makes the noise)?
Only other way I know is turning it off. iPhones require password at power on.Is there a way to get your phone to lock without triggering an emergency call (I know you can cancel it, but it still makes the noise)?
I guess people better start learning how to disable Face ID on their phones then (by pressing power and volume buttons).
I’m pretty sure that’s a woman.
Laws try to provide some general principles such that they can be applied to situations not envisaged by the creators of laws. That will always result in a few edge cases where the simplicity of a principle appears to be at odds with how the creators of the law might have judged a certain situation.Huh ? How's even possible for such a rule to exist ? We're talking about two different methods to access the same device/information. Under which logic only one of the two methods is protected by law against self-incrimination and not the other ? So, if one uses passcode is entitled to deny to unlock his/her device but in any other case government has the right to demand to a person to self-incriminate ?
Well here’s an example why you might not want a policeman/policewoman to have access to your passcode unless you absolutely have to surrender it, and I suppose this could happen to a male, too, depending on the officer:I'm far more worried about criminals getting into my phone to harvest passwords and accounts info than I am about law enforcement getting in.
(a) You have to press them several seconds (or multiple times in quick succession, I don't remember exactly)Wait... what? The buttons that take a screenshot also turn off Face ID? Really? Why would they do that? I can’t lift my X without pressing them...
Very well said. Forcing someone to log into an offshore account is a great example of self incrimination.The issue is the 5th amendment in the bill of rights, which basically says you can't be forced to testify against yourself. (That includes providing password to your devices and/or accounts) Just because someone has a warrant to search your house for physical evidence, doesn't mean they have a warrant to search you brain for thoughts and memories.
Take for example an off-shore bank account. With a search warrant for your house, they can't put you in front of your computer and force you to log into your bank's website. Instead they would also need to get a warrant for the bank and get your records that way. (although, depending on the country, the bank isn't required to comply)
However, now that our physical bodies are our passwords (fingers/faces), it is an area of the law that should be defined better. Is forcing someone to look into their Face ID camera or put their finger on a Touch ID scanner considered forcing them to testify against themselves? If so, and I believe it is, it is unconstitutional.
If you have the setting "Require Attention for Face ID" on, then you have to have your eyes properly open to unlock the phone. With that setting on I find that it will stay locked if I look at it by squinting.
Doesn't matter. If they have a warrant, you'll sit in jail until you unlock your phone for them. Probably best not to knowingly carry incriminating evidence on your person and then trust engineers at Apple to save your bacon. Or even better, not be involved with illicit activities unless you are prepared to take the fall for the cause.Yeah, I thought that. If you're going to have incriminating evidence on your phone turn off FaceID and set a good, complex password. Criminals can be so stupid.
Hold the volume up button and sleep/Siri button for something like three seconds (ie, the 'gesture' to shut down the phone) and FaceID gets disabled for the next unlock and you get a slider to call emergency services (but it does not call them unless you actually also slide the slider).Is there a way to get your phone to lock without triggering an emergency call (I know you can cancel it, but it still makes the noise)?
Huh ? How's even possible for such a rule to exist ? We're talking about two different methods to access the same device/information. Under which logic only one of the two methods is protected by law against self-incrimination and not the other ? So, if one uses passcode is entitled to deny to unlock his/her device but in any other case government has the right to demand to a person to self-incriminate ?
You don’t even have to do that. Hold the power button and up volume button like you’re gonna then it off and it asks for password when you try to go back. Takes all of 2 secondsYou can’t hide your fingerprint/face. Therefore it is not covered under the fifth amendment. Passcodes have to be pulled from memory, which violates fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination. It’s why you have 5-click biometric unlock bypass in iOS now. Five clicks of the power button and a passcode must be entered. Said passcode is protected by fifth amendment privileges.
As I said in another comment above already, if taking your fingerprint for identification is legal, it is hard to avoid the police using said fingerprint to try to create an artificial finger with it (which has been shown to be possible).However, now that our physical bodies are our passwords (fingers/faces), it is an area of the law that should be defined better. Is forcing someone to look into their Face ID camera or put their finger on a Touch ID scanner considered forcing them to testify against themselves? If so, and I believe it is, it is unconstitutional.
And how do you know when it is safe to open your eyes again?Exactly what I was thinking. Just close your eyes. Police can’t force them open without blocking part of your face with their hands.
You can choose not to use it should you have sensitive material in your iPhone though."Your Face is Your Paswword" Thanks Apple.
With a search warrant in hand, a federal investigator told Michalski to put his face in front of the phone, which he duly did.
You can’t hide your fingerprint/face. Therefore it is not covered under the fifth amendment. Passcodes have to be pulled from memory, which violates fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination. It’s why you have 5-click biometric unlock bypass in iOS now. Five clicks of the power button and a passcode must be entered. Said passcode is protected by fifth amendment privileges.
Did you just assume their gender?I’m pretty sure that’s a woman.
This strikes me as the sort of ruling which fails to enforce the true intent of an old law, made in 1791 along with the rest of the Bill of Rights, enacted before "biometric" identification was a thing. No, you can't "hide" your fingerprints or face without masks or gloves; however, if I refuse to enter or reveal my password aren't I covering up whatever neural network within my brain is aware of it? Isn't that also a biometric entity, where I might be compelled to reveal it via some sort of "truth" drug? At the time of the enactment of the fifth, fingerprints weren't even an acknowledged biometric, and face id as a useful identifier was totally dependent upon human memory of how a person looked. So using the original logic of the fifth, one wasn't required to use one's own memory for self identification, but anyone else may identify as a witness. Using that same logic, isn't it a violation of one's rights, granted under the fifth, to force self incrimination via biometrics only accessible via my person? The logic which protects my right to not reveal my password should also allow me to refuse my fingerprint or face to unlock my personal information. It's all forced self-incrimination. It would be revealing to see the logic behind the ruling of the judge(s). I'll bet it was counter to the intent of the Founding Fathers - but, I'm no lawyer.You can’t hide your fingerprint/face. Therefore it is not covered under the fifth amendment. Passcodes have to be pulled from memory, which violates fifth amendment rights against self-incrimination. It’s why you have 5-click biometric unlock bypass in iOS now. Five clicks of the power button and a passcode must be entered. Said passcode is protected by fifth amendment privileges.
I'm far more worried about criminals getting into my phone to harvest passwords and accounts info than I am about law enforcement getting in.
Doesn't matter. If they have a warrant, you'll sit in jail until you unlock your phone for them. Probably best not to knowingly carry incriminating evidence on your person and then trust engineers at Apple to save your bacon. Or even better, not be involved with illicit activities unless you are prepared to take the fall for the cause.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argumentI guess people better start learning how to disable Face ID on their phones then (by pressing power and volume buttons). To me, it has always been the inevitable trade off between security and convenience. No doubt a fingerprint or face scanner is way more convenient than keying in a code or password, and I believe that the pros will still outweigh the cons for most users who won’t find themselves in trouble with the law.