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First Customer Receives Psystar Mac Clone

Willis said:
Not being able to upgrade, I'm pretty sure Apple will take their time in this. Maybe locking the OS in 10.5.4/5?

It's good that there is a community that wants the Mac OS... but, without the hardware, you could hardly call it a Mac. Example, when you have Windows installed on your Mac and use it primarily, you would still say, "I have a Mac"

Price of Apple Hardware has dropped in recent years, more competitive in the market. It's just a shame that it's still just a little too expensive for most peoples tastes.

Nevermind, Apple is changing however slowly :D
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Youve never called your holy grail macintosh a 'Computer' ??

It doesnt matter what stupid branding its got, its a computer in the end.
 
Grimace said:
Sounds like a lot of hassle to save a few bucks.

Support? It's like buying a computer from a guy in a white van.
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Um, no, its clearly NOT a lot of hassle if the guy got OS X straightup after buying the computer. Thats what the seller is for, making the hackintosh hassle-free. Duh.
 
Some of you seriously need to look into the history and uses of EULAs before commenting on them. EULAs are not a contract between Apple and you that gives them some kind of overlord-like power over anyone with one of their products (although it's curious to see many of you implicitly hoping for that on one hand; I wonder how many of you denounced Microsoft when they have attempted that kind of thing in the past.)

The EULA is primarily a tool that a software company uses to head-off piracy and copyright infringement. Not only have the contractual legality of EULAs been successfully shot down in court, but it has been generally agreed that where EULAs overstep their legal bounds is where they attempt to control what an end-user may do with their software where it doesn't involve copyright infringement or piracy.

If Psystar is paying Apple for the copy of OS X they install on their hardware then no piracy is happening and no amount of prayer to your EULA gods is going to stop them.
 
inkswamp said:
Good lord! First it was that they weren't a real company. Then it was that they were breaking laws. Then it was that Apple's EULA would stop them dead in their tracks. Then it was all a hoax because of the way the cables were twisted in the Psystar video. Now Apple's legal team will take them down, even though Apple has shown not one sign of moving that direction, not with Psystar nor with the OSX86 project.

Did any of you opposing this ever stop to think that, you know, maybe you're just flat-out wrong? Even for a second?
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I agree fully. I have no idea why something that was available to everyone before Psystar was even thought up has created this much internet buzz. All they are doing is putting the pieces together. The overwhelming hatred towards and giddy excitement of this machine is baffling. Psystar is clearly a tiny company that probably was thought up by a few individuals that wanted to build some computers for a marginal profit. No word from Apple should be taken at face value. They haven't expressed concerns because their isn't any to express. If by some miracle of all miracles this thing actually takes a bite out of Apple in any way perhaps Steve and co. will send off a C and D. Their passive stance on project OSx86 can also be compared to (non-unlocking) jailbreaking of the iPhone/iPod Touch.

I think some are feeling the impact of the move to the intel platform as a bit of a shocker. They see an Apple and a PC as a little too comparable now and have thus decided to circle the wagons.
 
Apple needs to be very careful here. Right now it's just a mom and pop operation, but if they sue and lose, it could go ballistic.
 
The best way Apple could respond to this is to ship a mid-range tower everyone is crying out for.
 
i think it's silly that so many fan bois are offended by this.

who cares? if you like apple hardware, than keep buying it! is your pretentiousness really threatened that much because someone else can spend less money than you and have a Mac, too?

i'm sure some people are reading this and saying, "but it's not a Mac!" ...well, what is a Mac? do you think Apple developes all the components they stick inside their computers? no way! a Mac is a PC with regular old components that is intended to be used with an OS that has DRIVERS MADE FOR THOSE SPECIFIC COMPONENTS. obviously Psytar is using pre-supported hardware components. i'm sure that they are the lower-end of the spectrum in terms on quality, but hey, see the price tag?

if you're a fan boi that wants an elegant computer that isn't much to setup or periodically maintain, sure, buy an APPLE <computer> (as I do). but if you're a geek who can handle a little extra trouble for a cheap pre-made PC with Mac OS supported components, than go for it! sheesh!

and to all those who think Apple will "lock them out" in a future update, you clearly don't understand the first thing about what is going on here technically.

end of rant.
 
It might be in apples interest to hold off any legal action for a bit.

This is really an opportunity for apple to get some sense of the size of the market for the headless, upgradable mac! If this company starts shifting 10000s of units a month, then it might encourage apple to release a sripped down mac pro configuration (or an uber mac mini)!
 
Not going to watch the video... but here is a potential problem....

If Psystar builds a machine that is capable of running the OS, but does not install any software, then ships said machine plus OS in original box etc ie legit copy to the customer and they install the OS then the company should in theory be in the clear.

If the OS is pre-installed, then as already mentioned you have potential for a very grey area regarding the definition of "end user". I could even see where this could get cloudier if they were to charge a nominal fee, say $10, to install the OS for the customer prior to shipping. This would be akin to the support offered by places like Best Buy or Circuit City.

I pose this question: If a person owns a legal copy of a software program (app or os), are there laws or is there legal precedent that would prevent them or any other entity from installing the software on a system of their choosing?

I fully understand how Apple will be concerned over brand dilution and bad experiences etc etc, but I can also see this being a downside to their increased popularity. Certainly the change over to the Intel processors was a big factor in this occuring, too many of the parts are now mainstream that it was bound to happen.
 
My ears would pay a couple of hundred extra for a quiet Mac

For ME, one of the biggest advantages of a genuine Mac, is the silent running.

I'd rather pay a few hundred bucks extra and have a machine that saves my ears and generally makes for a more pleasant computing environment.

I couldn't see myself buying one, but if nothing else, it might make Apple consider manufacturing cheaper models.

If they keep selling the machines (and apparently, they've been inundated with orders - it broke their on-line ordering system), it shouldn't be too difficult to keep supporting OS X. Should it?
 
Apple knows that whoever buys psystar "opencomputer" will eventualy buy a real mac... to get system updates hasle free + support etc
+ apple gets more marketing AND marketshare with OSX...

You think Apple doesnt have normal PCs for testing?

I think apple will leave them alone...
 
coolbits said:
Apple knows that whoever buys psystar "opencomputer" will eventualy buy a real mac... to get system updates hasle free + support etc
+ apple gets more marketing AND marketshare with OSX...

You think Apple doesnt have normal PCs for testing?

I think apple will leave them alone...
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But they also know that if they leave these lads do it then give it a couple of months and everyone will be doing it.

I'm no lawyer or anything but surely leaving one person doing it is setting a precedent?
 
DHUK said:
The best way Apple could respond to this is to ship a mid-range tower everyone is crying out for.
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Absolutely. There's currently a gaping hole in Apple's lineup for a machine half-way between a Mac Mini and a Mac Pro. I want a mid-size machine with a couple of full-size hard drives and a couple of PCIe slots. That there is nothing at all on offer from Apple of this nature is the reason why Psystar has found interest.
 
aLoC said:
I think at the very least Apple will look at how they cracked OS X and stop that method from working.
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Apple already knows how the crack works... and if they protect the system even more it will not run even on a real mac :)
It was stated from Netkas... a hacker who made EFI emulator...

The real difference from a mac and PC is EFI and nothing more... ok if you leave the design out :)
 
DHUK said:
The best way Apple could respond to this is to ship a mid-range tower everyone is crying out for.
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Unlikely

What's more likely: The next software update bricks the Psystar clone and then the forums are awash with people bitching about how apple bricked their machine.
 
asdavis10 said:
I can't wait til updates break these hobby boxes.
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well, do people update their Macs because they have to, or because they can?
It's not like OS X comes out of the box in serious need for patching, does it?

Another idea: the same way people are running Windows Vista/XP as a secondary OS on a Macbook, even if the powersaving functionality is imperfect, someone buying a Mac clone can well be thinking of using OS X as the secondary part of their dual boot setup. It won't be because of running Safari, games or iTunes, but probably some other Mac specific app they are really keen on. Or maybe people are curious and that gets Apple a few more sales of OS X licenses. who knows?
 
iJesus said:
Yup,
Just a matter of time before Steve picks up the phone.
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Why would he order one?:confused: Dude is so rich he can afford a tricked out MacPro every day.

oban14 said:
Also, why is everyone so giddy and confident about Apple pursuing litigation with the company?
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Dunno. This baffles me, too. Suddenly everyone is an expert lawyer on copyright.
 
really like his name....

and you can be sure he's a real person not just another video made by the
same people who made the first video; or a 'shill' I think is the word.
A friend of mine and I used to make this jewelry in LA, and we would go around to the swanky Beverly Hills stores and show it to the owners. While
we were there we would get our girlfriends to come into the store 10 minutes into our sales pitch, and they would come over acting like they don't know us, and start in with, 'oh, wow, can we buy these here?'. Some of the owners saw
it for what it was but were so entertained they would buy the pieces. Others were born yesterday. A few would roll their eyes and just point to the door.

I tell ya, I really like that name. From a famous clan of irish teetotallers,
wagging their fingers at a cliche'd characterization that doesn't really exist.
 
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