First Final Cut Pro X Hands-On Videos Coming Out

[MacRumors]

Following its release this morning, the first hands-on videos from Final Cut Pro X are beginning to trickle out. Here's a first look from Matt's Macintosh channel on YouTube as Matt explored the new Final Cut:

Hat tip to The Loop

Article Link: First Final Cut Pro X Hands-On Videos Coming Out

 

[42streetsdown]

the new color correction looks cool. a lot of the effects look cheesy, but so did the old ones that I never used. This doesn't seem to be turning out as good as was hyped 🙁

 

[ARobinson]

Very buggy. Not ready at all in my opinion. File management is new. This guy says all the shortcuts transfer over...he is dead wrong. Judging by how he makes his edits, he doesn't regularly use shortcuts. My computer has never beeped so frequently with unknown commands. I am very disappointed, but still hopeful apple will do a comprehensive update that will solve many of the unmentioned issues and bugs. I guess its expected for 1.0.

 

[BornAgainMac]

I hope people that depended on Final Cut Pro will watch these videos first before they purchase. I can't believe how bad some of the reviews were on it. It sounds like iMovie Pro for which I personally would like to use. Apple is going to piss off 1% of their customer base with this release.

 

[deannnnn]

I really don't like it. I use FCP as a powerful, professional editing tool, not a let me edit some home movies to post on YouTube so grandma can see tool.

 

[Gauthic]

Big feature missing

I'm a Lightwave user as well, so I do a lot of exporting to Image Sequence. It looks like Final Cut Pro X is missing a checkbox for Image Sequence when importing files.

Has anyone else found that import feature?

 

[iPadThai]

I really don't like it. I use FCP as a powerful, professional editing tool, not a let me edit some home movies to post on YouTube so grandma can see tool.

There is no difference between using this tool as a professional or amateur. The end/final cut of your movies is what counts. If this iMovie like interface can get you there faster, I'll embrace it.

Change isn't always a good thing because people will always whine and complain because they are so use to the old ways of doing things. I think this will be a winner.

iMovie's editing isn't bad, in fact it's actually better than the traditional way of editing in fcp.

 

[stefmesman]

I hope people that depended on Final Cut Pro will watch these videos first before they purchase. I can't believe how bad some of the reviews were on it. It sounds like iMovie Pro for which I personally would like to use. Apple is going to piss off 1% of their customer base with this release.

1% lol? u clearly have no idea of the number of professional editors out there using final cut pro 7. This used to be an proffesional application (im not saying it is not now) but it sure does look like it. 1% of all there consumers maybe, but surely 85% of the current FCP studio users. NOT because it looks like iMovie but because its lacking pro options and has too much ''consumer'' like **** in the interface, using iPhoto as an import for photo's? thats the worst crap ive ever heard. we dont edit f*ng family vacation movies. Its probably changeable but please...

 

[cambox]

Fc what?

The kids will love this, its an app for kids and a few wannabe editors, anyone with a professional outfit will be leaving FCP and going over to Avid a pro choice or even Adobe. Well Done Apple, another sure winner for the kids.

 

[iPadThai]

The kids will love this, its an app for kids and a few wannabe editors, anyone with a professional outfit will be leaving FCP and going over to Avid a pro choice or even Adobe. Well Done Apple, another sure winner for the kids.

wow, job security thru obscurity. You want to make sh1z harder to use so "professionals" or so called can keep their job.

Why don't we all embrace easier ways of editing? Just wait and see how many "professionals" will start using this new version. I personally think the old FCP was terrible. This new version looks like a huge success.

 

[ARobinson]

It may be a winner, but not right now. I think the "pro" app comments are just referencing the changes in architecture really. They way things are imported and exported, media management, etc. Can't literate because I am in the middle of an edit, but I am sure you know what I mean. Anyway, while broadcast editors likely have or will discover alternative solutions that will suffice their deliverables, its a bit of an initial shocker. I agree the editor is the tool. Seriously, we are actually the "tool" for the director to realize his vision, but the NLE slows the process when one must learn a new workflow. There are a lot of nuts and bolts to be taken care of in both post houses and on Apples end before FCPX can truly be utilized (comprehensively) and adopted by professionals. Right now...its a toy we'll play with.

 

[Uncle David]

Apple is going to piss off 1% of their customer base with this release.

Even if this ludicrously low estimation is correct, it is the 1% that purchases FCP.

This is what Larry Jordan was warning of, and I am remiss for not having heeded his warning... Final Cut Pro X (FCPX) “will not be ready for professional use” says Larry Jordan ("I want your clients!") 😀

Here are just a few of the justifiable complaints from early users...

1. Can't import old FCP projects. Which means y will always need a copy of my FCP 7 on my machine "just in case" you need to dig out and tweak old work.
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2. No EDL import.
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3. No XML import.
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4. No edit to tape.
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5. No ability to customize window layout.
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6. Can't play-out over HD-SDI?
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7. What happened to ProRes LT?
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8. Can't choose scratch disc locations.
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9. Can't choose start timecode.

10.* Can't choose where to save the actual edit files.*

 

[milo]

Change isn't always a good thing because people will always whine and complain because they are so use to the old ways of doing things.

The complaints aren't about "change", they're about the app missing many features that are necessary to do high end work. Supposedly some or all of those features will come back, but nobody knows how long that will take. But in the meantime, while the app is usable and even an improvement for some, for others it's completely unusable for their pro work and they'll have to stick with the previous version until X is brought up to snuff.

You want to make sh1z harder to use....

Except he didn't say that, nice straw man argument. Depending on how fast Apple can bring back missing features, there may be quite a few high end users jumping ship for other apps.

 

[stefmesman]

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Apple is going to piss off 1% of their customer base with this release.

Even if this ludicrously low estimation is correct, it is the 1% that purchases FCP.

This is what Larry Jordan was warning of, and I am remiss for not having heeded his warning... Final Cut Pro X (FCPX) “will not be ready for professional use” says Larry Jordan ("I want your clients!") 😀

Here are just a few of the justifiable complaints from early users...

1. Can't import old FCP projects. Which means y will always need a copy of my FCP 7 on my machine "just in case" you need to dig out and tweak old work.
*
2. No EDL import.
*
3. No XML import.
*
4. No edit to tape.
*
5. No ability to customize window layout.
*
6. Can't play-out over HD-SDI?
*
7. What happened to ProRes LT?
*
8. Can't choose scratch disc locations.
*
9. Can't choose start timecode.

10.* Can't choose where to save the actual edit files.*

All the above are proffessional options, i hope apple does realise that an "pro" app needs atleast the options that fcp 7 had 5 years ago. For all people saying the dislikers that they can still use fcp 7, wtf? Why use a program that wont progress anymore and wont keep up with current gen hardware? Apple needs to step up thier game quickly. Ill be using fcp7, and if there is no sign of improvement within half a year ill ga back to avid or even awefull premiere.

 

[Badbaw]

Apple better begin pushing out updates, because as of now, Final Cut Studio X is quite limited.

 

[Aragrist]

Final Cut & Final Cut Pro

I love this new Final Cut but there does seem to be a lot lacking for pro users that should be addressed in the next month. Personally I feel that this should replace iMovie since they are almost the same thing and a newer version be released with all the stuff the pros say is missing.

Just drop iMovie and release Final Cut & Final Cut Pro. Plus why is motion and all the other add ons separate? Shouldn't all that stuff be inside Final Cut Pro as one app? If you need different UI's then just make the motion UI in a pop up window that you can set in a different screen or space or whatever.

I hope Apple updates this fast so that the pros are happy but you have to admit that the app is impressive and super easy to use with no real need to take a class in running the app.

 

[ARobinson]

wow, job security thru obscurity. You want to make sh1z harder to use so "professionals" or so called can keep their job.

Why don't we all embrace easier ways of editing? Just wait and see how many "professionals" will start using this new version. I personally think the old FCP was terrible. This new version looks like a huge success.

Sounds like you don't understand his perspective. Don't be confused by the "pro" app comments. Read the other posts (or even editors blogs). There are legitimate concerns of professional editors with deliverables that supersede that of the average consumer. The interface is not our problem!

 

[Badbaw]

Sounds like you don't understand his perspective. Don't be confused by the "pro" app comments. Read the other posts (or even editors blogs). There are legitimate concerns of professional editors with deliverables that supersede that of the average consumer. The interface is not our problem!

Exactly. It's a lack of in-depth customization of certain editing features, for one. Something that has nothing to do with usability.

 

[DesterWallaboo]

Lots of naive fan boi comments in here

I gotta say... I'm totally surprised at the dumb fan boi comments that are happening in this thread. I've been in the video/film post-production world for nearly 20 years. I've been an early adopter and embracing the newest tools for as long as I've been in the business. When I watched the keynote on FCP X I was stoked for the new tools for editing. It sounded like it was going to make my job much faster and reduce the amount of likely errors, particularly when dealing with long-format film/video.

So.... first thing I do this morning is pop onto the App Store and quickly purchase the program. To my dismay I find that yes... it has some amazingly awesome editing capabilities.... but is lacking 100% in every ESSENTIAL tool one needs in a professional environment.

I realize that most people have no idea what the complaints mean... so let me explain them to you.

FCP is used to edit... just like any other editor. But unlike non-pro editors like iMovie, FCP also has to be able to deal with a massive amount of file formats and output standards. These aren't just nerdy things we make up... they are critical and specific. In FCP 7 we could edit anything up to 2K rez... this includes non-traditional sizes for projects like lighted boards in Times Square, other signage, and special web projects. Meaning... not everything that was video fit into a perfect 16:9 or 4:3 world. On top of this, we have to deal with footage sources from all types of cameras, as well as animation files from programs like Maya, Cinema4D, Lightwave, After Effects, and Smoke. We also have to deal with things like upper and lower rendered fields (we see less of this these days... thankfully), and any one of these things, if they are managed incorrectly, can literally deep six a project. So it's important that we have all the resources to deal with them.

Additionally, particularly at our motion graphics studio, our motionographers cut footage together first in FCP... export an XML.... in which they can then load up the FCP project fully with source footage (not a single rendered out movie) where we have full control over the footage. This has been completely lost in FCP X. We no longer have the ability to do something that we NEED on a daily basis.

Also, unlike most casual users, we frequently have to get video to tape. Either analog BetaSP tape, or higher end HDCAM or XDCAM decks, etc. Decks are very touchy things.... especially on the analog end. You have to have perfect sync and timecode coordination to pull off a successful edit to tape. Meaning... FCP needs full, configurable deck control. This no longer exists. Which means we are no longer able to take anything inside of FCP X and send it to broadcast tape. Hey... I'd love nothing more than a tapeless world. Don't blame us... talk to your local television station and get them to move up from the dinosaur era.

Which brings me to my next point..... FCP X doesn't support 3rd party hardware... ie video cards. Not graphics cards... video editing cards. Totally different. Cards like AJA or BlackMagic, which are critical to a pro edit, are no longer available to FCP X. That means I can no longer send signal via HDSDI to a broadcast monitor for accurate color correction. Let alone dump my finished project to tape. So this is a solid dead-end for pro video users.

Pro audio editing is also nerfed. Sorry guys... but if you're cutting a show for HBO, you're absolutely not doing your audio in FCP X. That's downright laughable. So, what do you do? Well, typically you export an OMF file so that the audio engineer can create/sweeten/edit the audio in ProTools... then send the file back to you as either OMF, a Stereo Mix, or a Multichannel surround mix. This no longer is available. So good luck getting any real studio to purchase this product as it not stands.

Other major issues include the inability to import FCP 7 projects, do "Save As... " files for your own project management. You cannot open a FCP X project over the network from another machine. No EDL import/export for bringing in projects from other editing systems (this happens more often than you think), the inability to set your starting timecode on a timeline to anything other than 00:00:00.00..... if you've ever had to send slate broadcast video with bars and countdown (which is about everything you ever do).... you know why this is a huge problem, the inability to keyframe effects. Unlike quick home projects where you use simple presets for everything, in the pro world you craft your video. When you're watching that amazing NFL commercial... do you think they are using presets? LOL Nope... it's a crafted spot with very intentional timed and controlled effects.

The list is longer.... but I'm getting tired of typing...... 😀

Hope this answers a lot of your questions as to why the pro community was stunned today.

 

[sbrage2000]

Can't believe how many times he refers to features being brought in from iMovie. He even accidentally calls it iMovie around 9:10. Seriously, why didn't they just call it iMovie Pro and leave the rest of us with the hope that they would eventually upgrade FCP?

 

[DesterWallaboo]

My 2¢

My guess is that the marketing department wanted this out long before the engineers were ready.... so they had to make do with what they had. I suspect that had this waited until December for release.... all the requisite pro functionality would have been in place.

Here's to hoping they fix this travesty quickly..... if not... then I'm waiting for FCP 8. 🙂

 

[drewyboy]

Even if this ludicrously low estimation is correct, it is the 1% that purchases FCP.

This is what Larry Jordan was warning of, and I am remiss for not having heeded his warning... Final Cut Pro X (FCPX) “will not be ready for professional use” says Larry Jordan ("I want your clients!") 😀

Here are just a few of the justifiable complaints from early users...

1. Can't import old FCP projects. Which means y will always need a copy of my FCP 7 on my machine "just in case" you need to dig out and tweak old work.
*
2. No EDL import.
*
3. No XML import.
*
4. No edit to tape.
*
5. No ability to customize window layout.
*
6. Can't play-out over HD-SDI?
*
7. What happened to ProRes LT?
*
8. Can't choose scratch disc locations.
*
9. Can't choose start timecode.

10.* Can't choose where to save the actual edit files.*

Oh gosh you people bug the CRAP out of me. Pro this Pro that. I'm a pro and I don't like it therefore it's not pro. That article is misquoting him. If you actually READ his site, he goes on to say that, that is not what he meant. Plus he had not even asked ANY questions. He said after he had made that comment, he realized how wrong he was because he actually starting asking the FCP software engineer questions and it has changed is whole mind.

Also as said NUMEROUS time EVERYWHERE but on MR, there will be substantial updates coming quickly to bring some of the missing piece that "pro's" "absolutely" need. You people make me sick with your whining, and I know this will be down ranked into oblivion because the truth is hard to swallow.

Do your freak'n job. If the new FCPX is not "pro" enough for move on and don't complain. People who are successful don't talk, they do. So instead of saying "OMG apple, you lost a $400 sale. I'm going to spend at least $1500 on other software!" Or $2500+ if you fancy AVID.

You really think REAL pro's give a crap? No. Cuz the don't plan on upgrading till it's at least 2.0. Heck, why even upgrade until your current system doesn't do what you want it to? Then they'll at least THINK about it, until then, they keep there clients and make big $$$.

 

[DesterWallaboo]

Oh gosh you people bug the CRAP out of me. Pro this Pro that. I'm a pro and I don't like it therefore it's not pro. That article is misquoting him. If you actually READ his site, he goes on to say that, that is not what he meant. Plus he had not even asked ANY questions. He said after he had made that comment, he realized how wrong he was because he actually starting asking the FCP software engineer questions and it has changed is whole mind.

Also as said NUMEROUS time EVERYWHERE but on MR, there will be substantial updates coming quickly to bring some of the missing piece that "pro's" "absolutely" need. You people make me sick with your whining, and I know this will be down ranked into oblivion because the truth is hard to swallow.

Do your freak'n job. If the new FCPX is not "pro" enough for move on and don't complain. People who are successful don't talk, they do. So instead of saying "OMG apple, you lost a $400 sale. I'm going to spend at least $1500 on other software!" Or $2500+ if you fancy AVID.

You really think REAL pro's give a crap? No. Cuz the don't plan on upgrading till it's at least 2.0. Heck, why even upgrade until your current system doesn't do what you want it to? Then they'll at least THINK about it, until then, they keep there clients and make big $$$.

So what you're saying is this..... Apple released beta software to the masses labeling it 'pro'.

Good job fan boi.

 

[drewyboy]

So what you're saying is this..... Apple released beta software to the masses labeling it 'pro'.

Good job fan boi.

Yup, I'm a "fan boi". I really dislike ppl like you throwing that term around. I think that is the most idiotic childish name to call anyone.

Beta, not necessarily, "base" software yes. IF I was a pro, I wouldn't even waste my time thinking about using this for at least a year. Why bother? Also, going back to "base" software, it's the core piece of software that does as advertised, no? With "add-ons" coming later that will be free. No different that 3rd party plugins if you will. If you don't like what it doesn't have, don't buy. Will I buy it? Probably down the road, but I've got CS5 to keep me busy. I'm not pro, heck I don't even do it for side jobs, just a little hobby stuff. And I'm smart enough to know not to buy anything that doesn't have what I want. How is that "fan boi"?

Seriously, what did you guys expect for V1.0 & price point of $300? Would you be happier if they charged $1000, made you wait a few more months, then released it with everything that your going to get eventually for free?

Edit: Dester, you should give apple a call and let them know they're not doing it right. I'm sure the 2nd largest company in the world would take your advice on what they're doing wrong 😉
FYI Dester, taking a step back, your right, this could be considered Beta, but again, don't buy unless it does what you want it to.

 

[DesterWallaboo]

Yup, I'm a "fan boi". I really dislike ppl like you throwing that term around. I think that is the most idiotic childish name to call anyone.

Beta, not necessarily, "base" software yes. IF I was a pro, I wouldn't even waste my time thinking about using this for at least a year. Why bother? Also, going back to "base" software, it's the core piece of software that does as advertised, no? With "add-ons" coming later that will be free. No different that 3rd party plugins if you will. If you don't like what it doesn't have, don't buy. Will I buy it? Probably down the road, but I've got CS5 to keep me busy. I'm not pro, heck I don't even do it for side jobs, just a little hobby stuff. And I'm smart enough to know not to buy anything that doesn't have what I want. How is that "fan boi"?

Seriously, what did you guys expect for V1.0 & price point of $300? Would you be happier if they charged $1000, made you wait a few more months, then released it with everything that your going to get eventually for free?

Edit: Dester, you should give apple a call and let them know they're not doing it right. I'm sure the 2nd largest company in the world would take your advice on what they're doing wrong 😉
FYI Dester, taking a step back, your right, this could be considered Beta, but again, don't buy unless it does what you want it to.

Yes... I would rather pay $1,000 and wait until December....