Wrote this when it was announced there is a scheme going on make the m1 obsolete to force upgrades. This is sad.
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First Geekbench Scores for New Mac Mini With M2 Pro Surface, Beats M1 Max
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No way, they are just waiting to release the ultra with the new Mac Pro
Depends on what you want: graphics vs cpu.
or just wait for the updated studio
Intel , AMD and Nvidia will smoke Apple Silicon out of the water this year, the performance per watt slogan is out of the window now as the competition has caught up significantly. The laptops I've seen at CEX looks very promising most especially AMD
jokes aside for "performance per watt", if you happen to live in Europe now, it just gained new meaning. Electricity cost sometime 4x more than it used to. Having latest Intel with Nvidia 4090 is nice, but will cost you much more money to operate.
So if I am reading this right the M2 is faster than my $9000 Mac Pro (2019)? Can anyone confirm?
I think performance per watt is an irrelevant benchmark for a desktop replacement notebook, considering the basic fact that any such demanding task is performed when the device is plugged in.
As for throttling.. it isn't actually an issue if you buy one of those "creator" branded notebooks with dual fans and modern coolings and copper heat pipes and what not. Heck even the last generation 12700h @ 135W TDP performs slightly better than M2 Pro, as it has a Multi-core score of 16k.
Sorry to disappoint but the M2 Max will not be feaster it as the same amount of CPU cores.
Yes absolutely.. 22 hours does make it an astonishing device.. but it feels like that Apple is pushing towards the wrong end for a desktop class notebook.
The M1 Ultra was markedly faster than the highest spec'd 2019 Mac Pro. The M2 even more so.
That’s complete nonsens.
the 8core version M1pro ist 10000ish
the 10core version is 12000ish
I have a Studio on my desk with an M1 Max w/64 Gb of unified RAM. It's so crazy fast. really cool to the touch, and no fan noise. Almost a year in and I'm still amazed at how fast it is - I do 3D modelling and rendering with it.
These new notebooks are faster.
I don't think you're right when you say Apple is pushing towards the wrong end of a desktop class notebook.
I don't think there is a better one on the market - in fact, not even close.
And why would I care if I just want raw power and don't travel with my Mac? If you want good battery life then just get MBA, but pros have different priorities.
I don’t know, I’m waiting to see some macOS benchmarks before I call it. Because, for anyone still using macOS, any benchmark that doesn’t include Final Cut Pro or Logic Pro isn’t really worth anything.
We’ll see how well Nvidia performs in those tests!
If a user’s main focus for buying and using a computer is peak raw power, then using a Mac is the first thing that should be removed from the discussion. There has never been a time when Apple Silicon has bested a shipping Intel processor in one benchmark or another.
Well not with a mac but Intel 13th gen chips are indeed crazy fast, the desktop ones are so far ahead that Apple doesn't actually have anything to match up.. this is why there is no Mac Pro even 2.5 years after the first Apple Silicon chip came out.
Also just to clarify I'm no Intel fan boy but I'm not someone who is averse to facts.
On mobile platforms Intel is still at a disadvantage due to their process node. But it should get really interesting in Q4 this year when Meteor Lake is released. Its CPU tile is manufactured using the Intel 4 process (first time they use EUV lithography) and the GPU tile using TSMC N5. It will come in core configurations (P/E) that are optimized for low power consumption.
Well yes and no i9 13900 is 25k in geekench.
M2 Ultra probably will do 30k.
Even the M1 Ultra is 23k 🤷♂️
Amd 7950x is 23k
I don’t think it is a bad as some try to make it look.
Yes single core of course is another story and TDP too
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If you don't travel and are always plugged in why are you even using a laptop instead of a desktop ? The iPhone flashlight isn't as bright as your desk lamp which can be plugged in. Do you complain about that as well ?
If you use the wrong tool for the job don't complain about the tool. For the record those creator / gaming laptops that you are referencing are basically desktops with similar noise, weight, and heat and not something anyone would want to use for portability.
Exactly. Not just in benchmarks, either. I did real-world testing with Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop and my Studio Ultra was much faster than a loaded top of the line 2019 Mac Pro it replaced--and cost 1/4 as much. It also crushed a very loaded AMD 64-core TR Pro with top of the line Nvidia RTX 6000 graphics. That's something that the benchmark couldn't capture, as the scores for the RTX were higher, but it didn't translate to higher performance in Adobe's apps.
There's also 13900KS at ~27K though. I sure hope Apple beats that with the M2 Ultra and then 14th gen beats that later.
Competition is always good. I don't want Apple to get lazy like they did with mobile chips because Qualcomm couldn't keep up.
Also you do have to consider that you pay way too much for a maxed out mac device.