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I can only think that you don't know what intuitive means. In the sense of using a device, intuitive would mean that it's easy or obvious how to use the device. If a list of apps on the device somehow confuses you, I really don't know how much simpler it could be made for you to understand it.

Perhaps scrolling through a potentially long list of single file apps to find one is not the best way to do this?
 
I can only think that you don't know what intuitive means. In the sense of using a device, intuitive would mean that it's easy or obvious how to use the device. If a list of apps on the device somehow confuses you, I really don't know how much simpler it could be made for you to understand it.

Your really telling me that scrolling up & down thru a long list of apps is really intuitive compared to what already exist? You can't be serious. Take a look at that pic again. If I had to scroll like that with all my iPhone apps, I would lose it. And the sad part is some of those icons are folders. I don't want to scroll up and down a long list searching for a folder that contains another up & down scroll menu. NOT INTUITIVE AT ALL!!!
 
Your really telling me that scrolling up & down thru a long list of apps is really intuitive compared to what already exist? You can't be serious. Take a look at that pic again. If I had to scroll like that with all my iPhone apps, I would lose it. And the sad part is some of those icons are folders. I don't want to scroll up and down a long list searching for a folder that contains another up & down scroll menu. NOT INTUITIVE AT ALL!!!

Didn't we all manage just fine on the iPhone before folders, scrolling pages and pages of apps to find the one we wanted? WP7 apps are at least alphabetical! IIRC, none of them are folders, they are all apps.
 
I just played around with the HTC Surround. My first impressions:

1. The UI is as responsive as the iPhone's.
2. Everything is fluid
3. The virtual keyboard is awesome (especially because it has a list of words you can pick while typing).
4. Internet Explorer (ugh.) was actually responsive and did display pages correctly. Although, it seemed slower than Safari.

Also, I found out Microsoft provides "Find My Phone" for free (Locate, send a message, Erase), it can automatically upload all your pics from the phone into a cloud, and syncs contacts just from a Windows Live ID.

I'm personally not an appwhore and don't need 100 apps to function; so I like the simple homescreen.

WP7 definitely has limitations and a lacking market place, but you gotta start somewhere.

PS. I typically bash Microsoft about their crappy UIs and poor hardware, but a WP7 may be my next device.
 
Didn't we all manage just fine on the iPhone before folders, scrolling pages and pages of apps to find the one we wanted? WP7 apps are at least alphabetical! IIRC, none of them are folders, they are all apps.

Read my original post. I did state according/compared to today's standards. Not to mention scrolling on the eariler IPhone iOS whithout folders you easily see everything on each screen. Even WM6.5 and below has a more simpler way to scroll thru apps. Not feeling the way they do it with WM7. That up & down list scrolling should only apply to a file explorer or scrolling thru music. As far as it being alphabetical, who remembers every name or the correct name of every single app they installed.

Oh, I figured some of the icons in that photo were folders to based on the games icon. Unless that icon is just for downloading games.

Ok I said my piece, just my opinion, not that serious. ;)
 
Impressions after three days use

I needed a new phone and have replaced my iPhone. I found that the Zune interface was very capable and helpful to discover new music so i thought I would try the new windows phone (there's always a thirty day return).

So far it's been a good experience. Very useful interface. Provides info on the lock screen such as next a ppt, new emails, phone calls and messages. Once the unlock screen is lifted, info is also readily available such as appts, new messages, and so on. I have always hated having to open the calendar app on the iPhone to see what's coming up that day. Also the weather app shows the temp on the tile/icon as do other apps show useful info without running the app. I bet apple will be trying some of these things in a future version.

I have found that i don't need to run apps for commons tasks that much.

The apps have been mostly adequate, but i assume it's going to grow quickly since it's easy to write for. I did find an app for all but two of my desires.

I am frustrated with volume controls since it isn't always clear what volume you are changing. Also i miss visual voicemail. The capacitive buttons can be accidentally trigged, but hasn't been much of an issue.

The keyboard is at least as good as the iPhone and better than android.

As far as call quality goes, I haven't dropped a call since Monday and i would drop several calls a day with the iPhone on the same network. I have also been able to make calls in places where i didn't have enough signal strength before. It seems like the problem isn't completely ATT and part of the dropped call issue belongs to apple.

Overall I think that there have been some good comments on this thread, but there are some absolutely poor ones, such as the guy with an MBA. What does that have to do with being able critic design? Microsoft chose to tackle the mobile phone from a different angle and whether they made the right choice is still to be determined.
 
I played with wp7 at the att store yesterday....hot damn it was slick! Super fluid, web browser was awesome, keyboard was awesome, email client allowed me to use my oddball server setup, overall it was great and I can't wait to see it really mature over time!
 
I personally think WP7 looks awesome. I do like the tiles and think that Apple will be trying to adopt the feature somehow. The interface looks really responsive and I like the design. Animations and transitions look interesting and original too. People complained about the words being cut off etc., but I actually think it is an interesting approach to indicate additional screens.

I have used Android for 3 weeks and it sucks compared to iOS. It is more customisable than iOS, but the fact that they are trying to make it look like iOS and are failing is a bit annoying. The system lags a lot with animations, scrolling etc. Going back to an iPhone is a very pleasant experience after Android. It feels so smooth :)

WP7 takes on a different approach to Apple and I like it. Put the two together and you have an amazing OS.

I'd put iOS and WP7 as equals especially if you consider the fact that it's a first release for Microsoft. Of course, they had time to watch and learn from competitors, but they things right. Android to me feels like an alpha release.

Anyway, impressed with WP7.
 
IOS has some work to do. It feels like a kids toy next to the new WP7 OS. Apple will respond with a better OS but as of right now its not better than WP7.
 
I actually had the pleasure, I mean honor, no wait, I mean the utter displeasure, of trying this OS out for a few days. I was having some normal issues with my iPhone 4 (screen not blacking out when calling) and so I went into AT&T and the rep there who has an iPhone 4, Samsung Captivate, and Droid X, was going to be converting to a Focus as soon as launch. He claimed it was the BEST OS he's ever used. So I played with it for about 25-30 mins and said sure why not...I had 4 days left til my 30 day return was up on my iPhone 4 and he sad he'd extend me another 30 days to try it out. Ok so here's my experience...

1.) Super Amoled screen was very crisp and colorful.
2.) Scrolling and swiping was very fluid.
3.) Keyboard was responsive and fast (once I got used to it).
4.) The panorama apps looked great but when words are extended beyond the screen it is annoying.
5.) Contacts/Facebook integration was a nice feature but seriously...who wants to scroll through 500+ people?? Yes you can hit the search button but I never remembered to.
6.) Speaking of the search function, it is nicely done. It integrates well with almost all apps. The voice recognition is very good and bing searches are pretty spot on.
7.) IE...hmm what to say? Well IE, although a vast improvement from old winmo...was still buggy and a lot of features were either not crisp or non-existent. When it would load up a page (most of the time it would load mobile versions even if you clearly selected desktop in settings) it would alter and adjust text sizes according to what it is. Like some websites would load the main parts in full size and the top menus small, then when opening up forums and messages in IE it would put the senders name large, the partial message (usually not clickable) medium-small, then the actual subject where you click at so small I'd have to zoom WAY in to click.
8.) Don't even get me started on the SIMPLE things that you just couldn't do...lol such as copy/paste (really!? Shouldn't they have learned from apples previous mistake??), no HQ toggle for YouTube at all! (and this dang this can record in 720p but can't play a simple HQ vid??).
9.) The map/gps was terrible! I am located in KS...never had a problem before even with a crapberry...but this dang "iPhone killer" had me pegged in Denver Colorado! It NEVER got my position right!
10.) The camera...well it was ok, except the camera button being way down at the bottom right if your trying to take one in portrait view. Although the quality wasn't too bad when you finally took it lol.
11.) Last but not least...calling. The dialer worked well, and calls were pretty clear. The speaker worked well and I didn't have a problem hearing voice or music from it.

Overall, IMHO the WP7 OS has a lot of potential but I believe they released it WAY too early. It is buggy, and I'd say it's a supermodel with the brains of a character from deliverance..lol. But I'd love to hear anyone else who had similar trials. Mine was a horror story of 3 days. After getting my iPhone 4 back, I wanted to hug it and run for the door like a crack addict.
 
Great OS, animations flow niceley, intuitive, features make sense but needs copy/past, multitasking etc I still think iOS/webOS are superior though

Also for the love of all things sacred don't use it on an HD7 stick to the samsung devices with Super-AMOLED.
 
I actually had the pleasure, I mean honor, no wait, I mean the utter displeasure, of trying this OS out for a few days. I was having some normal issues with my iPhone 4 (screen not blacking out when calling) and so I went into AT&T and the rep there who has an iPhone 4, Samsung Captivate, and Droid X, was going to be converting to a Focus as soon as launch. He claimed it was the BEST OS he's ever used. So I played with it for about 25-30 mins and said sure why not...I had 4 days left til my 30 day return was up on my iPhone 4 and he sad he'd extend me another 30 days to try it out. Ok so here's my experience...

1.) Super Amoled screen was very crisp and colorful.
2.) Scrolling and swiping was very fluid.
3.) Keyboard was responsive and fast (once I got used to it).
4.) The panorama apps looked great but when words are extended beyond the screen it is annoying.
5.) Contacts/Facebook integration was a nice feature but seriously...who wants to scroll through 500+ people?? Yes you can hit the search button but I never remembered to.
6.) Speaking of the search function, it is nicely done. It integrates well with almost all apps. The voice recognition is very good and bing searches are pretty spot on.
7.) IE...hmm what to say? Well IE, although a vast improvement from old winmo...was still buggy and a lot of features were either not crisp or non-existent. When it would load up a page (most of the time it would load mobile versions even if you clearly selected desktop in settings) it would alter and adjust text sizes according to what it is. Like some websites would load the main parts in full size and the top menus small, then when opening up forums and messages in IE it would put the senders name large, the partial message (usually not clickable) medium-small, then the actual subject where you click at so small I'd have to zoom WAY in to click.
8.) Don't even get me started on the SIMPLE things that you just couldn't do...lol such as copy/paste (really!? Shouldn't they have learned from apples previous mistake??), no HQ toggle for YouTube at all! (and this dang this can record in 720p but can't play a simple HQ vid??).
9.) The map/gps was terrible! I am located in KS...never had a problem before even with a crapberry...but this dang "iPhone killer" had me pegged in Denver Colorado! It NEVER got my position right!
10.) The camera...well it was ok, except the camera button being way down at the bottom right if your trying to take one in portrait view. Although the quality wasn't too bad when you finally took it lol.
11.) Last but not least...calling. The dialer worked well, and calls were pretty clear. The speaker worked well and I didn't have a problem hearing voice or music from it.

Overall, IMHO the WP7 OS has a lot of potential but I believe they released it WAY too early. It is buggy, and I'd say it's a supermodel with the brains of a character from deliverance..lol. But I'd love to hear anyone else who had similar trials. Mine was a horror story of 3 days. After getting my iPhone 4 back, I wanted to hug it and run for the door like a crack addict.

So reading your comments Im not sure why you think it was so bad. It seems like you were happy with it besides:

-copy paste (coming)
-youtube issues (Said to play in 480p automatically, Im not sure how you can watch HD on a phone screen)
-finding names (You can just click on the letters in the list and select the letter you want to go to)
-Browser issues (will get sorted)
 
WP7 is slicker than Android after playing with the Focus and Surround yesterday. Give it time to mature. Feels barren and what makes the iPhone great now are the apps.

I still prefer iOS and webOS. Still, my expectations didn't surprise me with the WP7. I know Microsoft is more software savvy than Google. I thought the Zune HD was silky smooth too last year when I got to try it out in the store. I think WP7 will have one of the better music/multimedia functions out there. Perhaps a notch below the iPod app since we are already used to the integration with iTunes, but WP7 is still well above Android and webOS. I can wait until 2012-2013 for it to mature. iOS wasn't all that refined in Day 1 either. Took 4 iterations of the iPhone for Apple to get it mostly right and how I wanted it to be back then.
 
I'll throw my hat in the ring...

As a big phone nerd I went out and got an HTC HD7 on launch day. Prior to that I've used every generation of iPhone, several Android phones, a couple Blackberries, and one unfortunate Windows Mobile phone.

WP7 is the biggest departure from conventional phones since the original iPhone. While the iPhone changed the way you interacted with the phone physically, WP7 changes the way you interact with the phone at a lower level. It's a new way to think about presenting information to the user.

So far my experience with the OS has been fantastic. Some people have told me I'm crazy, but I like the WP7 keyboard more than the iPhone's virtual keyboard. At the very least they are equal. Comparing the OS's themselves directly is very difficult because they don't play to the same principles. I know a lot of people are turned off by the way WP7 looks, but it really works with the philosophy that Microsoft it trying to stick to.

The point of WP7 is to get the most important information to the user first, everything else is secondary. The bold titles, mostly text interfaces, and live tiles on the start screen all play to that end. The email app is an excellent example of this. The largest text are the lists across the top (Unread, Urgent, All, etc.), the next largest text is the next largest important piece of information: the sender. It's a little disorienting at first, but you come to realize that your brain already functions like this.

One thing I am consistently amazed by is how quickly I get around the OS. The "Metro" style lends itself to finding what is most important the fastest, and could become a really beloved feature by many users, given the chance.

There are some ways, in addition to my opinion about the keyboard, that WP7 bests the iPhone. Notifications on WP7 are fantastic; not as good as Android's shade, but definitely better than Apple's disruptive pop-up system. The messaging apps are almost identical except for one key feature that pushes it to WP7 to me: time tagged messages. It's always irritated me that Apple doesn't time-tag their messages, and while it seems like a small thing, as a heavy texter I greatly appreciate it.

Of course, the Apple App Store blows Microsoft's Marketplace out of the water... For now. WP7 is on the right track, but until users and developers really bite into it, the iphone will stay App king. Another annoying feature of the marketplace that need fixed NOW is that you can't just search apps. If you search within the marketplace you are searching apps, music, and video, which is completely idiotic. A joint app is fine, but you've got to realize that users are there for different purposes and provide the access accordingly.

My experience with IE has been great. People are correct in that, when seeing small text zoomed out it renders it really weird. The thing that makes this a non-issue is that you wouldn't be able to read it at that level even if it were rendered perfectly. You're going to have to zoom in anyways, and when you do IE renders just fine. As for speed, in my tests it typically renders faster than android and the same as, and sometimes faster than, safari (to the same sites over the same wifi network).

The hardware is where the letdown happens. I've played with every available WP7 phone (in the US) with the exception of the Dell Venue Pro (which I am going to see tomorrow) and they just need help. I understand the OEM's hesitation to throw their best and brightest behind a new and unproven OS, but the devices are somewhat pathetic.

I've been living with the HD7, and while it's a good phone, I definitely have my complaints. The screen is acceptable at best, with a terrible viewing angle and dull color reproduction. It looks fine until you hold it up to another phone, at which point you will probably cry out of pity. The battery door cover snaps on instead of sliding into place, leaving a gap where you can see the SIM card through, and a bit of wiggle room (and no, it's not just MY device). The buttons suck because they are so shallow and are somewhat awkwardly placed on a slanted surface. The camera is OK (really, there isn't anything more to say).It is a good phone overall, but with a better screen, better fit, and better camera and buttons it could be great.

I've played with the Focus and Surround the most on AT&T. The LG isn't even worth mentioning. The Focus is just as hokey as all the other Samsung phones in the US. While it is probably the most complete package, I personally can't get past how crappy it feels. The camera is fantastic, however. The closest to the iPhone 4 I've seen on another phone. Everyone like to rave about the screen, and while it has an excellent viewing angle and brilliant colors, you can also count every. single. pixel... Sure, you have bright colors, but you've also got dots on everything... To each their own though, as my husband loves that screen.

The surround is extremely well made, with the same OK camera as the HD7 (maybe even a tad crappier). The screen is nice, and the sound output of the sound bar is, again, OK. But it's thick and heavy...

Ok, I'll stop now that I've written a novella.

For those tl;dr:

WP7 is an excellent start, the hardware needs help immediately. Hopefully Big Red will get some decent hardware in early 2011.
 
Having text cutoff is a horrible UI cue to indicate "more".

Speaking about things that you don't understand is a horrible habit.

Do you need the last e in "People" to know you are in the people hub if you just went there? Probably not.

It works better as a visual cue that there is more content to the side (Which is major in WP7). Aside from people seeing it and thinking it's weird, it's not a big deal. It's far from an issue unless you are looking for things to attack.
 
I've played with the Focus and Surround the most on AT&T. The LG isn't even worth mentioning. The Focus is just as hokey as all the other Samsung phones in the US. While it is probably the most complete package, I personally can't get past how crappy it feels


gotta agree. coming from a iphone 4, the samsung focus seems really cheap. even the captivate feels better because of the metal battery cover. to be honest though, my expectations for build quality were so low that when i received the phone, i was pretty surprised. while using all plastic is inexcusable, the phone feels well built. it also doesn't hurt that with the att promotion i got it for only 100 :)
 
Yes the focus did feel cheap. Felt as cheap as a BB storm lol. And to those that thought I didn't have too many problems with my wp7 are wrong. The "little" things that were wrong were VERY annoying and I don't wish to wait til mid 2011 for any fixes. Like I said, sure the OS has potential but een after it's fixed, I will still prefer iOS.
 
I just tried the samsung version at AT&T. the scrolling works very well and the screen was gorgeous. I think the biggest problem is organization. everything revolves around huge lists. w/o folders your just scrolling up and down to find anything. the home screen only holds 8 or so "tiles" at a time and the tiles sort-of look alike - all primary colors - so its hard to see which is which w/o closely looking at them.

As far as it being "glance-able" - you really don't get that much information at a glance and most of the information is available on the iphone home screen (#calls #messages...) about the only new info you can get is 1 or 2 upcoming appointments. the unlock screen is really the place for glance-able info. if apple adds widgets to it then they'd be on to something. i don't think this is any more "glance-able" than android.

i didn't like the photo hub at all. there are no labels under the collections which makes finding a picture very difficult. i love how iphone organizes photos with categories - faces - places ... and the last thing in the world i want is my stupid face book friends pictures showing up on my phone.

i'm glad they didn't copy iphone and hope they push apple to give us glance-able info.

just my opinion.


I got to try out the Focus at an AT&T store today. This person is correct. The phone is actually surprisingly smooth, no perceivable lag. The bad thing is once you are away from the 1st homescreen page (tile design) everything is in long lists. Not only that but their are no borders within a list. It's like having a list of long words in a microsoft word document, their is no framing to each word so it's unclear where one app title begins and another ends. The font style was kinda childish, with no capitalization and goofy fonts (you can probably change this). The back button basically does what the back button does in an iPhone list, takes you back a step. The lack of multitasking was less noticeable than the lack of apps in general. The market seemed discombobulated, and makes Cydia seem well built.

Overall it seems like a decent phone, and there's no shame in getting one if you want something different. I feel both and iOS and Android have more capable offerings.

WP7 really interests me as a iPhone 4 user because of the notification system (on the lock screen and the top bar). I love the iPhone, but find the pop-up notifications really annoying. I would also really like to be able to see how many mail messages I have and calendar events on the lock screen.

Jailbreak. I use notifiedpro, which has a "notification drawer" with all of those popups, that I access with a single downward swipe from the status bar. Otherwise when I get an email it just gives me an envelope on the status bar, when I get a text I just get a bubble icon, etc. No more pop ups at all, and the app stores the notification for days, so you can browse through the pop ups in sequence at your convenience.

Lockinfo (another jailbreak app) shows mail, messages, missed calls, voicemails, twitter, RSS, weather, whatever the hell you want, on the lockscreen. Seriously, stop reading this and jailbreak your damn iPhone.
 
I like WP7, but I still like webOS more.

Just a shame webOS has outdated hardware. True, the Palm Pre 2 will have Gorilla Glass, a bezel, matte finish on the back, and a 1Ghz processor. I also love the stacks. But it still feels outdated with the smaller screen and lower resolution. I think webOS is the Dreamcast of cell phones. Overlooked for its time because of better hardware. But the OS itself is refined and amazing for multi-tasking. I hope they have a better one in the pipeline after the Pre 2 is released. They are getting closer to how I want it to be.
 
For people considering a WP7 phone....

If you are a normal person who checks your phone occasionally (once every hour or two) you will probably love the phones. They show a limited amount of info in a very convenient manner. If you are a geek like me, who is constantly trying to discover new and novel uses for your phone (OMG your phone can do WHAT???) then stick with iOS or maybe android. WP7 seemed like a dumb phone on steroids. Very smooth and slick, but not super capable.
 
I really am not getting what people are seeing in the WP7. It looks like the first smart phone made for senior citizens. No thanks! I will stick with my iPhone.
 
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