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First iPhone 5s and iPhone 5c Teardowns Show Touch ID Home Button, Nearly Identical Internal Layouts

longofest said:
Which, let's all say it together, just sucks for what's supposed to be a top of the line smartphone. It may run fine this year, but I imagine it will have a shorter lifespan than most.

They really needed to boost the RAM this time around.
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True. Apple will find 100 excuses to let you know you don't need more than 1GB memory. (Same as a phone with screen size greater than 4 inch.)

Of course, all statements are backed by some loyal apple fans who already lost the ability of rationalizing things.
 
longofest said:
Which, let's all say it together, just sucks for what's supposed to be a top of the line smartphone. It may run fine this year, but I imagine it will have a shorter lifespan than most.

They really needed to boost the RAM this time around.
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LOL. The number and quality of technical issues that haters can whine about has diminished.
Hasn't it longofest?

Remember the "Your wife will love the dual core Tegra processor" days?
When you could copy and paste Samsung's latest CPU GHz and pretend to brag about it.
When the entire mobile computing world was 32-bit.

No, those days are over. The haters (mostly Android apologists) only have 2 rants left:

1) "Not enough RAM."

This means zero to the average consumer. Less of a selling point than "Your wife will love..."
But high performance from just 1GB of RAM means "good engineering" to geeks.
Not coffee-shop geeks who think that learning multitouch gestures makes them technical.
Engineering geeks who read Anandtech. And understand it. All of it.

Here. Test yourself: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review
(If you're the TLDR type, just skip to the Geekbench scores.)

2) Screen is too small.

If the screen were too small, would iPhone dominate sales in the US?
Or is it that Americans have better eyesight than people in other countries?
Nope. iPhone owns the US market. Apple is the largest smartphone vendor here.
Screen size is irrelevant. Read it and weep:

http://www.i4u.com/2013/09/55660/kantar-apple-iphone-holds-434-us-market-share
http://www.forbes.com/sites/benedictevans/2013/01/12/apples-market-share-might-be-too-high-not-too-low/
http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/09/06/apples-iphone-holds-40-share-of-us-smartphone-market
http://news.yahoo.com/iphone-u-market-share-continues-grow-even-without-223039381.html

Most haters have given up on tech spec-rants. The 64-bit A7 has ended all of that.
Good for you for keeping the faith though. It just wouldn't be MacRumors without mindless trolls.
 
SockRolid said:
Most haters have given up on tech spec-rants. The 64-bit A7 has ended all of that.
Good for you for keeping the faith though. It just wouldn't be MacRumors without mindless trolls.
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Don't forget the A7 has the blistering rogue GPU units. Would love to see an apple tv get this and an app store :)
 
SockRolid said:
2) Screen is too small.

If the screen were too small, would iPhone dominate sales in the US?
Or is it that Americans have better eyesight than people in other countries?
Nope. iPhone owns the US market. Apple is the largest smartphone vendor here.
Screen size is irrelevant. Read it and weep:
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As people have no choice its pointless saying they don't want a larger screen.

Tell you what, Have Apple make say a 4" model and a 5" model, if people here say how junk the 5" model is, and the 5" model does not sell well, and people almost totally prefer to buy the 4" model I will admit you are right.
 
I'm fairly content with the 4.3" screen on my original HTC One from 2012 and the shift to the Apple 4" screen won't seem too substantial to me based on playing with friends' iPhone 5 models. The One doesn't have LTE, and frankly, I'm sick of carrying both it and my iPod Touch in my bag.

So, once the dust settles from the launch and I set aside the cash, I'll jump ship to the 5s so I can take advantage of T-Mobile's burgeoning LTE network.

I've used the Galaxy 3/4 for business, and the only thing I liked about the larger screen sizes was reading email - frankly, with my hand size, it makes holding the phone (or even slipping it into a pocket) more challenging.

So the 5s will keep it a size I can hold on to as well as finally ditch two devices for one.

UPDATE [Edit]: Although the note about LTE-A on this page: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/12 means that I may actually wait for the iPhone 6 after all. T-Mobile is pushing this out and frankly, I'm sick of the "Faux G" 4G on my One as well.

I agree with other folks it would be cool if the iPhone 6 came in a larger size for the sake of having choice, but the current size really works for me.
 
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SockRolid said:
If the screen were too small, would iPhone dominate sales in the US?
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As you know, Android has more sales in the US. They're just not concentrated in one model.

Of course, neither are iPhone sales. Half of its sales in the US are of the cheaper or free models.

As for screen size, Apple changed the iPhone's aspect ratio last year just so they could advertise having a "four inch display". This was clearly done in reaction to Android / Windows phones, since iPads did not follow suit with 16:9 as well.

I think that most people believe Apple will find a way to have an even larger screened iPhone model. Perhaps the flagship model will go larger, and the "c" models will stay with the smaller screen.

Perhaps the touch sensor is really a gateway to the larger screen, since it can be used as a trackpad as well.
 
kdarling said:
As you know, Android has more sales in the US. They're just not concentrated in one model.

Of course, neither are iPhone sales. Half of its sales in the US are of the cheaper or free models.

As for screen size, Apple changed the iPhone's aspect ratio last year just so they could advertise having a "four inch display". This was clearly done in reaction to Android / Windows phones, since iPads did not follow suit with 16:9 as well.

I think that most people believe Apple will find a way to have an even larger screened iPhone model. Perhaps the flagship model will go larger, and the "c" models will stay with the smaller screen.

Perhaps the touch sensor is really a gateway to the larger screen, since it can be used as a trackpad as well.
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As you know, the only serious Android handset manufacturer remaining is Samsung.
Apple easily outsells all of Samsung's smartphones in the US.

As for screen size, the 16:9 iPhone screen aspect ratio just happens to be the same as that of HDTV.
Apple is no doubt planning a long-term TV strategy.
The iPhone 5's 16:9 screen is no doubt a part of that strategy.

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Piggie said:
As people have no choice its pointless saying they don't want a larger screen.

Tell you what, Have Apple make say a 4" model and a 5" model, if people here say how junk the 5" model is, and the 5" model does not sell well, and people almost totally prefer to buy the 4" model I will admit you are right.
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Tell me what, again?
My point was that the current iPhone screen size is big enough to dominate the US market.
I said nothing about Apple's future plans.

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dugbug said:
Don't forget the A7 has the blistering rogue GPU units. Would love to see an apple tv get this and an app store :)
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Not sure that Apple wants to really allow just any app on Apple TV.
Many apps are terrible on the family big screen HDTV.
Remember Google TV?
 
FoxyKaye said:
: Although the note about LTE-A on this page: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7335/the-iphone-5s-review/12 means that I may actually wait for the iPhone 6 after all. T-Mobile is pushing this out and frankly, I'm sick of the "Faux G" 4G on my One as well.
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I don't think we'll see LTE-A until iphone 6s..in 2 years. Say 2Q next year Verizon starts rolling it out..the 6 would be to new to have it. The 6s though has a better chance for their chipset and coverage to mature to include it.
 
SockRolid said:
2) Screen is too small.

If the screen were too small, would iPhone dominate sales in the US?
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My personal belief is that the iPhone dominates sales in spite of the smaller screen, not because of it. Important distinction.
 
i5pro said:
I don't think we'll see LTE-A until iphone 6s..in 2 years. Say 2Q next year Verizon starts rolling it out..the 6 would be to new to have it. The 6s though has a better chance for their chipset and coverage to mature to include it.
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Got it - so this is the 3G conversion all over again. IIRC, 3G was available early on with ATT, even at the launch of the original iPhone, but it took two more revisions to get to the iPhone 3G and full support. Something to think about for me, since my HTC One is almost two years old now and there's always the iPhone 7, lol.
 
longofest said:
Which, let's all say it together, just sucks for what's supposed to be a top of the line smartphone. It may run fine this year, but I imagine it will have a shorter lifespan than most.

They really needed to boost the RAM this time around.
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Lol, NO.
Unless you know more than Anand (which you do not).
In his review, he specifically said that you'll get more longevity out of this iPhone than ANY previous gen. Bold statement, considering there's still a lot of 3GS' out there... & that is a four year old phone!
 
I have to admit, I cringe a bit when I see all these websites tearing apart limited supply devices just to produce technology porn. I get that people want this information, but I'm sure the people who do either:
1) Are buying it right away regardless, and only want to brag about how their phone is better than your phone.
or:
2) Are going to wait for such information (as much information as possible), and thus won't be buying while supplies remain limited anyway.

In other words, teardowns can wait, and those devices could have gone to people who would actually use them, without impacting anyone who actually "needs" teardowns. Unfortunately, everyone is in such a rush to be first to press...

The most interesting article, of course, is from AnandTech, which managed to give a very large amount of information using various software tools, and good old fashioned research. No teardown necessary. I find the results quite promising, and the device easily meets my expectations. I'm looking forward to getting a 5s myself. As always, those not on the S-track may not be interested, but for a 4S user I see massive real-world speed improvements across the board without losing anything on battery.
 
mrxak said:
I have to admit, I cringe a bit when I see all these websites tearing apart limited supply devices just to produce technology porn. I get that people want this information, but I'm sure the people who do either:
1) Are buying it right away regardless, and only want to brag about how their phone is better than your phone.
or:
2) Are going to wait for such information (as much information as possible), and thus won't be buying while supplies remain limited anyway.
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They did what they wanted to with the phones they bought, and arguably got more value out of it in page hits than any single owner would just using it as a phone. It wasn't wasted.
 
longofest said:
Which, let's all say it together, just sucks for what's supposed to be a top of the line smartphone. It may run fine this year, but I imagine it will have a shorter lifespan than most.

They really needed to boost the RAM this time around.
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What exactly do you do with the ram in your phone. Pull up a page that highlights the specs of your device then have spec battles with people. Because that's the only let down. See the Anadtech thorough review of the 5s performance, no other current phone comes close in a broad array of benchmarks, no matter the ram or the quad cores or Ghz in those cores. Stop analyzing specs it's the total package that matters. This phone will meet your requirements better than anything currently available. Unless your vision goes( no Phablets display) or you must have the best smartphone camera( no lumina).
 
If own iPhone said:
Yes you can for $100, with many other bonuses included. Then Stick a colourful plastic case on that 5S if that's your thing. Voila!
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In was thinking the same thing -- looks like you could put the 5S components in a 5C case... would it all fit & work?

I might like a stealth 5C(S) that doesn't ding up. :cool:
 
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