First Magazine Advertisement for iPhone 5s Appears, Highlights Touch ID Sensor

[giantfan1224]

So what you're saying is if I watched somebody put their password into their computer, and did the same to login to their system, that's 'hacking'. If my friend didn't let me use their Internet connection, and I hooked up using Ethernet, that's 'hacking'. If I mugged an old lady for her car keys and drove off in her 2CV, that's 'hacking' (after all, I am getting access without their authorisation).

The only reason I believe we're having this argument about this is because touch sensors haven't really been used in the general public, with such integration. Look at it from the bigger picture and you'll see that cloning a fingerprint is not hacking. There's really no difference between that and learning somebody's password -- both are a code that will need to be entered identically.

Going off of the definition I cited, I don't believe it's incorrect to say it was hacked. As far as your example of the car keys, hacking is generally a term reserved for computer systems. Learning someone's code and gaining access could be considered hacking if the whole point of the security layer is to prevent unauthorized users from gaining access. Someone being able to "steal" someone else's password and subsequently gain access is a weakness of the system.

 

[53buick]

the ad does not mention that Touch ID was hacked only a few days after the release of the iphone

print magazines are 1 - 2 months ahead for production so yeah, it probably wouldn't mention anything that happened a few days ago.

 

[mw360]

Going off of the definition I cited, I don't believe it's incorrect to say it was hacked. As far as your example of the car keys, hacking is generally a term reserved for computer systems. Learning someone's code and gaining access could be considered hacking if the whole point of the security layer is to prevent unauthorized users from gaining access. Someone being able to "steal" someone else's password and subsequently gain access is a weakness of the system.

But if you learned one person's hotmail password and accessed their email, would it be right to claim 'Hotmail was hacked'?

Your statement implied that the system was rendered useless because it was busted wide open, regardless of the dictionary definition of each word you used.

 

[teknikal90]

i was initially concerned that the gold iphone would get scuff gate, like the black iphone 5 did.
however, i visited my apple store and saw the roughly handled gold iphone 5s on display had lots of scratches on it, and not a silver shine through was showing! it looks like the anodisation went far deeper on the 5S than the 5.

after this ad, i want a gold iphone.

 

[taylortm]

The fingerprint sensor is a total joke, all hype. It takes two to three scans to unlock my phone, and I find that I can unlock my device faster with the old fashioned password.
Not worth an upgrade for sure!

You are DEFINITELY fingering it wrong. No doubt.

 

[aerok]

Exactly as long as YOU haven't seen anyone with one in the whole country of China then that means only hermits have them. I've never seen a single person in the flesh on MR. Does that mean they don't exist?

Jeez take a joke...

China? I said Canada...

 

[giantfan1224]

But if you learned one person's hotmail password and accessed their email, would it be right to claim 'Hotmail was hacked'?

Your statement implied that the system was rendered useless because it was busted wide open, regardless of the dictionary definition of each word you used.

My statement implied what? Where did I say that? Let's be clear, I think the Touch ID is great and I think Apple did a tremendous job in implementing it.

Did you ever see the movie Clear and Present Danger? A friend of the President is killed and it turns out he had some not-so-nice friends from Colombia. The CIA wanted to gain access to a disk belonging to the dead friend. A low-level computer specialist was able to figure out the guy's password in seconds and gain access to the contents of the disk. Wouldn't you say that he was able to hack into it? It's the same thing I'm arguing here with the Touch ID. It's a better level of security but it's not infallible.

 

[TyPod]

Very nice looking ad!

 

[onetwofour]

The fingerprint sensor is a total joke, all hype. It takes two to three scans to unlock my phone, and I find that I can unlock my device faster with the old fashioned password.
Not worth an upgrade for sure!

Which is why you promptly returned the phone....right?

 

[pgillett72]

The fingerprint sensor is a total joke, all hype. It takes two to three scans to unlock my phone, and I find that I can unlock my device faster with the old fashioned password.
Not worth an upgrade for sure!

My 5s unlocks first scan, pretty much every time...I would consider the possibility that yours may be defective somehow

 

[beetlemanptm]

The Update is wrong. It should be Entertainment Weekly running the same ad but with Sprint co-branding and Sports Illustrated running the same ad but with AT&T co-branding.

 

[mw360]

My statement implied what? Where did I say that? Let's be clear, I think the Touch ID is great and I think Apple did a tremendous job in implementing it.

Did you ever see the movie Clear and Present Danger? A friend of the President is killed and it turns out he had some not-so-nice friends from Colombia. The CIA wanted to gain access to a disk belonging to the dead friend. A low-level computer specialist was able to figure out the guy's password in seconds and gain access to the contents of the disk. Wouldn't you say that he was able to hack into it? It's the same thing I'm arguing here with the Touch ID. It's a better level of security but it's not infallible.

Sorry, I totally mixed you up with the other guy. Not paying enough attention.

 

[jonAppleSeed]

But if you learned one person's hotmail password and accessed their email, would it be right to claim 'Hotmail was hacked'?

Your statement implied that the system was rendered useless because it was busted wide open, regardless of the dictionary definition of each word you used.

How bout we just say that the TouchID is spoofable with the right equipment.

 

[mw360]

How bout we just say that the TouchID is spoofable with the right equipment.

And a fingerprint.

 

[31 Flavas]

It depends on your definition of hacked. If it's simply "unauthorized access" then anyone but the actual owner of the fingerprint being able to gain access would be hacking. Yes, the sensor worked and was not "bypassed" but claiming it was not hacked may just be semantics.

Well, if you lift someones physical door lock key and duplicate it is that hacking? Is the difference between picking a lock and duplicating it's key, just a matter of semantics?

Do we therefore declare door locks a failure and troll or fearmonger in news postings about door locks? Do we seriously (or even jokingly) state that product advertisements for door locks should have to announce that such attacks have been successfully carried out?

No seriously, I want to see people ripping on, trolling, and arguing semantics because of they use or like different brands of door locks. I wonder what that would look like.... "My lock has 10 pins!" "Mine has a number pad! No keyhole to hack!" "Mine uses my finger print! I can just look at your pin as you enter!" "Oh, yea? That's all hippie hype! I can duplicate your finger print. You can't change your finger print!" "LOL, n00bs, mine uses Bluetooth!" "But it still has a keyhole. Go back to sipping lemonade, Grandpa!"

 

[Macnoviz]

This kinda looks like an ad straight from the 1980s, but hey less is more.

Yeah, I really like the retro feel of the ad. Reminds me of the classic VW magazine ads or even their own Macintosh or Apple II ads:

 

[MellowFuzz]

This is a privacy concern, which is why Apple limited it to Apple apps.

So was opening up iPhone to run 3rd party apps. So what? - a good idea is a good idea.

 

[giantfan1224]

Well, if you lift someones physical door lock key and duplicate it is that hacking? Is the difference between picking a lock and duplicating it's key, just a matter of semantics?

Do we therefore declare door locks a failure and troll or fearmonger in news postings about door locks? Do we seriously (or even jokingly) state that product advertisements for door locks should have to announce that such attacks have been successfully carried out?

No seriously, I want to see people ripping on, trolling, and arguing semantics because of they use or like different brands of door locks. I wonder what that would look like.... "My lock has 10 pins!" "Mine has a number pad! No keyhole to hack!" "Mine uses my finger print! I can just look at your pin as you enter!" "Oh, yea? That's all hippie hype! I can duplicate your finger print. You can't change your finger print!" "LOL, n00bs, mine uses Bluetooth!" "But it still has a keyhole. Go back to sipping lemonade, Grandpa!"

Except door locks don't fall under the definition I cited. Hacking is a term used when describing the exploitation of weaknesses in computer systems. But if you want to have that "fun" argument about door locks, have at it.

 

[teknikal90]

Jeez take a joke...

China? I said Canada...

well... have you been to Hongcouver?

kidding kidding...

 

[ultra7k]

Does anyone else see the iMac in that picture?

I mean when you look at the iPhone from that angle, especially the silver/white one, it's dead on for an iMac.

 

[dkouts]

Your fingerprint isn't a password.

Its the username.

There is no password with this system.

 

[kalsta]

As for 'limited availability', I'd read so much about 2-3 week wait times on here that I told my ex (who was driving into the city to go to the only Apple Store near here) that she wouldn't be able to get one. She came back yesterday afternoon with a shiny new 32GB 5S.

Does anyone else see the iMac in that picture?

I mean when you look at the iPhone from that angle, especially the silver/white one, it's dead on for an iMac.

From 7 years ago maybe.

Your fingerprint isn't a password.

Its the username.

There is no password with this system.

Oooh… deep. Or maybe… wait for it… the iPhone is its OWN username…

 

[cdmoore74]

That iphone looks to be -4 degrees off!

 

[galstaph]

Reminds me somewhat of the old Volkswagen ads from the 70's and 60's....
Yes that is a good thing, they were very successful.

 

[DEMinSoCAL]

Why is this even news? Who cares that the 5s is showing up in a print ad? Unless you live under a rock, the iPhone 5s/c has been so heavily covered in the media it's nauseating. If you don't already know it exists, you don't deserve to own one.

And, to show a Gold iPhone 5s (that is practically impossible to find) will surey frustrate anyone who has just come out from under their rock when they discover there are none to be found.

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