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Right now, based on reviews, it sounds like Surface isn't killer anything.

And yet it does everything well enough.

This is exactly how MS does and should compete with Apple, and why this is the platform that will dominate over time.
 
For academic area, Macs are superior simply because it uses industry grade UNIX for which thousands of science and other programs are available. There is not need for Windows with its viruses :)
Try sending your professor a document written in Apple Pages. Get back to me.
 
...but well designed Metro apps are both awesome looking and easy to navigate through.

Strangely enough, if you remove the word 'Metro' from that phrase, it remains equally true. Well designed apps are both awesome looking and easy to navigate through. Though the 'easy to navigate through' is more consistently noted, since the 'awesome looking' part is much more subjective. (Personally, I think the 'Metro' style is blocky, and wastes a lot of space that could be put to better use.)

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What keyboard has a mouse pad?

Why on earth would you need a mouse pad when using an iOS device? The UI is fully touch-centric.

You need the mouse pad on the Surface because they include the non-touch 'desktop' mode which is a pain to use without a mouse.
 
Export to PDF?

Besides, if it's for your professor, you should be using LaTeX. ;)

Heck, you can export to Word format as well. I certainly never had trouble turning in any of my assignments, even though I was using Pages.

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If I were to get one, I'd consider foregoing the keyboard cover at first, and using my Apple keyboard with it instead. I think the cover setup is good for an on the go option, but isn't something I'd want to use for extended periods of time. For that, I'd want as close to a real keyboard as I can get.

I'd tend to agree. I was just pointing out that many of the iPad keyboard designs maintain greater usability than the Surface ones.

(That reminds me, I've got an old bluetooth keyboard floating around somewhere. I should see if I can't dig it out and pair it up with my iPad some time.)
 
Multitouch. Having the option to use a stylus IN ADDITION to your fingers is great. So many people buy a stylus because while interacting with the OS is better with your finger, drawing or note taking something more complex than words (math problems, diagrams) is better with a stylus.

And more precise.

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As for the MBA, you will probably get your wish around WWDC. But I'm not to sure about the Wacom support. The problem is that unless its an app, or standard tech (which i dont consider Wacom, though some artsy folk might), apple, is very stingy on licensing other companies' hardware tech.

No, they'd more likely buy the company.

After all, why rent, when you can own?
 
The presumption you are making is that the rest of the world, including Apple, will stand still during this time. Apple also has a world class desktop OS which they can also "mobilize" or "hybridize" if needed. The reason they haven't done so yet is because it is simply not practical. Also, the original MacBook Air was much better received by the industry and consumers than is this Surface thing.

How exactly are they going to mobilize OS X? Apple's entire strategy is predicated on keeping their tablet and desktop environments separate and everything from the chipset to each OS's distinguishing features reinforces this. They can't mobilize the OS X ecosystem without blowing up the iOS ecosystem
 
Surface Pro more expensive than laptop? Really? I don't think there are any SSD laptops (Apple or PCs) that are cheaper or even the same prices.

http://store.apple.com/us/product/FD223LL/A/refurbished-macbook-air-17ghz-dual-core-intel-core-i5

http://store.apple.com/us/product/FD224LL/A/refurbished-macbook-air-17ghz-dual-core-intel-core-i5

http://store.apple.com/us/product/FD231LL/A/refurbished-macbook-air-18ghz-dual-core-intel-core-i5

And if you don't about Apple refrub products they are as good as new ones and come with the same warantee as new ones. Of course when they are gone they are gone.

Also, how about:

http://www.macconnection.com/IPA/Sh...MC968LL/A-_-CI&ci_src=5784816&ci_sku=13055588
 
You seem to have missed the point that not a single Mac Book Pro model has LTE or 3G. Never had. LOL for that PRO label, right? Unlike iPad, Surface PRO has a full featured OS and not a toy one. One can simply plug LTE/3G modem into USB port.

You seem to have missed the fact that Microsoft are starting from WAY behind in the market and are needing to provide some reason for people to use their device.

"pro" on a tablet says to me that it is to be used by business when away from the office. i.e., on the move, out of range of wifi networks.


You would NEVER buy an iPad for BUSINESS without a mobile data connection either.

I'm saying that as a tablet, no mobile data for BUSINESS is useless.

Sure, i can plug a dongle into it.

WHY should i need to do this when in the market that device is aimed at, it should at least be an option internally, if not STANDARD. A USB dongle will take up a (scarce) usb port and is another thing to lose. It's something to break off when the device is dropped. It's something that on a tablet, should be internal.


What the macbook pro has or doesn't have is entirely irrelevant, it isn't trying to position itself as a highly mobile device for usage while on the move and away from a desk.

If the macbook pro had a removable keyboard and was designed for handheld use, no mobile data connection internally as an option would be a massive oversight also.
 
Try sending your professor a document written in Apple Pages. Get back to me.
Apple Pages:
export as pdf, word or txt.
Done/

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Nvidia is vested in ARM through Tegra. They're not a third party passively observing the landscape

Nvidia has a massive business making GPUs and integrated chipsets for Intel platform as well, both on Windows and OS X.
They're however betting their future on ARM, ie mobile.
One tends to think that Haswell will be as competitive as ARM chip.

But in terms of cost: OEMs call Intel’s Haswell pricing, “Absurd”

http://semiaccurate.com/2012/10/03/oems-call-intels-haswell-pricing-absurd/#.URSu7KVsvHg


Intel thinks Haswell is going to change Ultrabooks, but there is one big problem, price.

With Haswell, the ULV part with the Crystallwell memory costs more to make, but not a huge amount more. Think $5 or less for the DRAM, and maybe double that tally for construction losses. For this, Intel is trying to charge OEMs $50-60 on a CPU that already breaks the bank at $225 or so. Several OEMs contacted SemiAccurate recently to complain about Intel’s pricing, one calling it, “Absurd”, and that was the nice one.

Why do they think they can charge this much money? Marketing. Intel is going to make yet another moronic brand for the ULV/Ultrabook versions of Haswell, and make you pay for it. And pay. And pay. The concept worked well when Intel had a desirable product, but now, well, no one wants Ultrabooks, they are not an iPad or MacBook Air.

Ultrabooks are coming in at 1/4 of Intel’s sales projections for 2012, the economy is in shambles, and they are trying to sell fashion against Apple. What could go wrong with a vastly more expensive product in light of this? Intel is quick to counter bad news with specious numbers, but today the first touchscreen Ultrabook that SemiAccurate has seen announced, the Acer Aspire S7 took the price up to $1399. That is not a reduction in price as Intel has been promising.


ARM chips tend to cost just 20 dollars compared to hundreds of dollars for Intel chips. An only advantage of Intel that it can run Windows molasses.

Guess which is more competitive?
 
For the people crying about free space on the Surface, you can stop now - the numbers were wrong and the free space is the same as a MBP:

http://www.zdnet.com/surface-pro-ve...eing-dishonest-with-storage-space-7000011009/

But people don't care when Apple lies to them. They only get upset if other companies lie. Microsoft being deceiving about the storage capacity of the Surface is terrible and they should be banished from the universe. Apple does the same thing, but it's ok because everyone does it. Or at least that's the logic of a lot of people here. :eek:
 
Tablets won't replace laptops until they're truly better than a laptop, and I think the surface pro hits the nail on the head in that regard. Wether you like it or not, the surface is the future.


Tablets will be tablets, ultra books will die off like eNotebooks, and laptops and desktops will remain.

Tablets are good for internet, email, reading stuff -- just about EVERYTHING a home user does. Coupled with a bluetooth keyboard and something that streams video wirelessly -- who needs an ultra book?? Tablets will take away the space from people who used to use notebooks and ultra books for media and wordprocessing.

Notebooks will still be used for creative people who are ALWAYS on-the-go and need to retain desktop-like power.

Desktops are slowly dying in the consumer space. They are not portable -- which makes them excellent workstations for computer labs in schools and other work-related areas.
 
Actually compared to a Wacom 12 Cintiq, the surface pro offers a higher resolution all in one tablet with 1024 pressure sensitivity, and free from the wires that the Cintiq 12 is saddled with. Additionally its a full computer.

Cintiq 12 is around $899 too. So for some of us, the surface pro is not that bad a proposition.

For the likes of Corel Painter 12 on the go, it seems ideal and its a lot cheaper than the Mod Book Pro at $2500

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What's wrong with the prt location?

For us artsy Lefties its perfect :)

From ArsTechnica review

The placement of the mini-DisplayPort is inferior. The microHDMI port on Surface RT is more or less where the microSDXC slot is on Surface Pro. This allows the power connector to be attached with the cable extending down, which means the little white LED at the top of the power connector, indicating whether a connection has been made, is visible.

On Surface Pro, if you use the power connector in that orientation it fouls the mini-DisplayPort connector. The power connector can connect in both orientations, so it's possible to use it "upside down," with the cable coming out the top. But then, the LED indicator is no longer visible.
 
ARM chips tend to cost just 20 dollars compared to hundreds of dollars for Intel chips. An only advantage of Intel that it can run Windows molasses.

Guess which is more competitive?

That molasses also has a software base that's currently irreplaceable

If the Surface Pro disrupts the tablet market, it'll basically mean cost and energy efficiency are slightly overrated (at least when it comes to tablets) and that power and software matter too.

I think there are people out there who want a tablet to be a small computer instead of a big smartphone. That's where the x86 Core line and x86 software come in and the ARM and $5 apps go away.
 
hmm...

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Forget what you’ve read in the past week. The widely reported number that Microsoft mistakenly confirmed (83 GB of free space for the Surface Pro 128) is not accurate. In its Reddit AMA yesterday, the Surface team confirmed that those numbers were wrong:

Initial reports out regarding available disk space were conservative (eg. 23GB available on 64GB and 83GB available on the 128GB system), however our final production units are coming in with ~6-7GB additional free space.

My tests on a production Surface Pro 128 confirm that amount almost exactly. I found that the factory image provided 89.7 GB of free space. (Why the difference? A source inside Microsoft tells me the employee who confirmed the numbers did so using pre-production machines that contained different disk images and debug code that is different from final shipping units that will be on sale beginning this weekend.)
 

Was going to post this. Further - Apple doesn't report disk usage in the same way Microsoft does as indicated by the article linked earlier on this page.

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Why? So it can get crap 4 hour battery life?

No. So you can be sincerely productive in those 4 hours by using full programs and applications instead of apps that have limited functionality.
 
Was going to post this. Further - Apple doesn't report disk usage in the same way Microsoft does as indicated by the article linked earlier on this page.

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No. So you can be sincerely productive in those 4 hours by using full programs and applications instead of apps that have limited functionality.

also about that "crap" 4 hour battery life

Using stats from Anandtech

MacBook Air 11" (Core i5-3317U from the mid 2012 MBA 11" review)
Light: 5.5 hours
Medium: 3.95 hours

Surface Pro (w/ same Core i5-3317U)
Light: 5.2 hours
Medium: 3.85 hours
 
But people don't care when Apple lies to them. They only get upset if other companies lie. Microsoft being deceiving about the storage capacity of the Surface is terrible and they should be banished from the universe. Apple does the same thing, but it's ok because everyone does it. Or at least that's the logic of a lot of people here. :eek:
Wait, what? Where did Apple lie about anything?
 
I think there are people out there who want a tablet to be a small computer instead of a big smartphone. That's where the x86 Core line and x86 software come in and the ARM and $5 apps go away.

There was a decade of touch computers with x86 and Windows, all failed. Any reason this one will not?
 
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