First time Mac user going back to Windows :(

generik

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Wow.. only now did I realise how the lines are annoying me.

It seems like when you look at what'd normally be a constant patch of color (ie: a message composition textbox like the one in the forums, which is white) you can actually see it kinda "shimmering" because the color is not quite constant.

The eye strain from this is really sick from extended use. Pfft, I can use my other NEC monitor for up to 10 hours at a stretch without barely a hint of a headache, but this monitor is really making my eyes smart in 2.

I really hope the next round of updates will be better :mad:
 

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I've never noticed that on either of my Apple LCDs, with the exception of in Virtual PC. Do you have the resolution set correctly?
 

Fukui

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generik said:
Wow.. only now did I realise how the lines are annoying me.

It seems like when you look at what'd normally be a constant patch of color (ie: a message composition textbox like the one in the forums, which is white) you can actually see it kinda "shimmering" because the color is not quite constant.
Isnt that usually caused by a bad VGA connection? Are you using a DVI monitor?
 

radiantm3

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generik said:
Wow.. only now did I realise how the lines are annoying me.

It seems like when you look at what'd normally be a constant patch of color (ie: a message composition textbox like the one in the forums, which is white) you can actually see it kinda "shimmering" because the color is not quite constant.

The eye strain from this is really sick from extended use. Pfft, I can use my other NEC monitor for up to 10 hours at a stretch without barely a hint of a headache, but this monitor is really making my eyes smart in 2.

I really hope the next round of updates will be better :mad:
I think you just got a bad apple. I doubt every single powerbook is like that. Don't you think giving up on OS X because of faulty hardware that will be replaced is a bit overboard?
 

generik

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I brought my PB down to the local nextbyte apple retailer and they told me all 15" PBs are like this.. and that I should contact Applecare.

Anyhow I'm not worried about the refund etc... at the end of the day I bought it as a student, and I can probably just as easily pawn it on ebay too..

Sigh, really sad.. I do like MacOS but their hardware is kinda lousy considering the amount it costs!

I am not demanding that it is perfect. But let's take for instance:
I purchased an Eizo 19" LCD for 60% more than the bottom of the barrel monitors before, but when I unpack it.. I got 100% made in Japan quality, no light fall off, no smudgy text, no shimmer, nothing. *Perfect*

Then I got a NEC 2080UX+, made in China, but not bad kualetty, in fact except for the chassis that feels a little "solid" as compared to the eizo, the colour rendition is excellent and accurate, in the sense of the word you can literally "feel" the velvetty smoothness of color on this monitor (incidentally a mac site did a review of this vs the ACD and concluded this one is way better, which was why I bought it)

Now contrast with the PB.. when it first came the eject button was a wee bit out of place, and I had to press down on it really hard before it "looks" correct again. Monitor color sucks. Heinous eye strain looking on it. Battery is a wee bit out of alignment but I am really not bothered by details like these. But really, I guess the final yoke that broke the camel's back is the display.. it seems like the backlight is somewhat not very consistent in areas, which while not noticeable at all during the day, becomes very obvious when you use the laptop at night, and are working on something with a black background. And of course, the lines.

I really can't understand why Apple can't fracking buy a more expensive LCD for this. Come on, it costs so much more than an equivalent Centrino notebook, I bet those G4 chips are sold at like 10 to a penny by now, given how dated they are.

Pentium Ms are cutting edge, they are expensive, and yet I see them used in cheaper laptops, with superior screens!

That is something I just can't stomach.
 

macer1

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well bye bye :)

I switched from windows too mac about 4 years ago, at work they provide me with a nice thinkpad. Now this is a nice computer but it lackes one thing, a OS that doesnt wet the bed every time you turn it on.

If you wana go back to windows be my guest BUT all i know is my 15' powerbook's screen has YET to give me any trouble since i bought it.

you got a bad apple and the service teck you talked , well is dumb. If every 15' powerbook was like that then why would apple ship them. cnet and other product reviewers would throw apple to the wolfs.

but then again what do i know, your the one going back to windows.....
 

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I went to an Apple reseller today and had a look at the new 15" PowerBooks and yeah those horizontal lines would drive me crazy, not crazy enough that I'd give up OS X, but I'd be seriously considering another computer.
 

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I am not going to look through your post history, but have you ever attempted to calibrate your screen?

Change font smoothing?

Change resolutions to see if it is worse better?
 

risc

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quoting generik from: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=158751&page=12

Anyone managed to get it fixed?

I am really torn between returning my PB before next Tuesday, or keep hoping that it can be indeed be repaired.


Yeah he's really a troll (not) , that thread has heaps of people complaining about the same thing, I've seen it with my own eyes, and there is definitely a problem with some of the new screens. Maybe generik could of acted differently but I know I'd be pissed too if it was my Mac.
 

NewbieNerd

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Hey I love that OS-X trick, 840quatra. You got any more of those?! :) (We can make this thread something more interesting than a guy giving up on Apple after one faulty product)
 

generik

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risc said:
quoting generik from: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=158751&page=12

Anyone managed to get it fixed?

I am really torn between returning my PB before next Tuesday, or keep hoping that it can be indeed be repaired.


Yeah he's really a troll (not) , that thread has heaps of people complaining about the same thing, I've seen it with my own eyes, and there is definitely a problem with some of the new screens. Maybe generik could of acted differently but I know I'd be pissed too if it was my Mac.
Well it is easy for you to sit back and talk, it is not your mac!

What really tipped me off is when I met up with a mate today, and we were exchanging some files, and after I just commented about the screen issue, he came over, took a close look at it, and concluded that there indeed are lines on the screen.

On the other hand his Toshiba has such a gorgeous screen! :mad:

Lower res than the current PB's one, but nice nonetheless.

And he got a faster running PM processor, slightly lower res screen, and of course an uglier chasis for significantly than my nice looking oven with a bunk screen.

I am not saying the PB is overpriced, if it delivers it is definitely very very worth it.. but let's see. The 17" doesn't have these issues, the 12" is *beyond* such issues since it is so tiny to start with, but why must the 15"?

Anyway prior to this I did spend a couple hours looking through Apple's support forums, only to see thread after thread of the same issue.. locked. Why? Afraid to hang dirty linen in public?

Really speak loads of AppleCare doesn't it?
 

Chrispy

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I can't say that I blame you at all for being upset about this as it is crap that Apple would even release the new powerbooks knowing of issue. It is NOT acceptable to have lines in the screen of professional level laptop. I considered going back to PC after getting a new iMac that was bad and then a new PowerBook with the lines in the screen. I ended up getting another iMac and it worked great. I have now traded it for a Dual 1.8 PowerMac. I really love the mac OS and it is really the only thing keeping me on the Apple side at the moment. When it came down to getting a monitor for the PowerMac the choice was simple... DELL. I just do not trust Apple's displays at all after having countless Apple laptops with bad pixels and uneven screen lighting. The Dell has been getting better reviews and costs less. If it was not for OSX I would be using a PC now as well... its sad Apple drives away business with bad quality control...

Oh, and my new Video iPod had a dead pixel and only gets 4 hours of battery life.. PLAYING MUSIC haha! I am taking it back to the Apple Store in Indianapolis for an exchange before the 14 days are up. Bad Apple... Bad! :mad:
 

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generik said:
Really speak loads of AppleCare doesn't it?


Yeah, applecare used to be good now its like a standard warranty and they want you to buy pro care to get good service. Sorry, $350 for a powerbook warranty is enough they aren't getting $99 a year too. Damn rippoff if you ask me. 3 yr warranty should be standard period.

Take the junker back man, I would. Besides the screen isn't that much better than the rev d that I have. Its only like 100 pixels larger, big deal. The rev ds are better anyway. Doesn't have the block on power managment and has all the same goodies as rev e without the screen problems. There isn't more battery life in the new ones, they just locked the power management to keep it on lower usage now. F that.

Go on ebay and pick up a new in box rev d for $1700. Then get applecare off of ebay for it for $200. You will be set.
 

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Do the people who call others "a troll" actually go and read the various threads around here?

Its a massive problem for people with the new 15" PBs. Nobody give a hoot about you or your 15" PowerBook that you got 2 years ago.


macer1 said:
If you wana go back to windows be my guest BUT all i know is my 15' powerbook's screen has YET to give me any trouble since i bought it.
That's nice, buddy. Are his screen problems any less real now?

If I just spent that much money on a slow-ish laptop with a bad screen just because it was a Mac, I'd be pissed off too. Even if it came with a small scratch, it would hurt. A bad screen is much worse than that. And if any of you haven't seen one of the new 15" PBs with the "bad" screen, then go find one. They're not hard to find.

I'm a PhD student with my own office, so I obviously have lots of time to look through the threads. Generik doesn't seem like a troll at all.

In fact, some of you seem more troll-ish than him right now.
 

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generik

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I actually spent 1 hour on the phone with Applecare today.. no go, they claimed it is a normal. Perfectly normal.

Oh well, I guess I will get keep it and sell it in time for MWSF.. perhaps the "next mystery update" will fix it :(
 

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generik said:
I actually spent 1 hour on the phone with Applecare today.. no go, they claimed it is a normal. Perfectly normal.

Oh well, I guess I will get keep it and sell it in time for MWSF.. perhaps the "next mystery update" will fix it :(
why are you being treated differently than some of the other people that are having the same issue on these boards? i have read numerous posts where they have been given the option to get an exchange or have theirs repaired. why are they telling you it is normal???