Five Games Worth Firing Up to Show Off Your New MacBook Pro

[throAU]

the best era for gaming on a mac was when you could just run windows bootcamp lmao

Running games via boot camp on an actual Mac is just spending a lot of money on bad gaming hardware only to dual boot it into windows anyway.

If you want to run Windows games, do it on Windows. If you want to run games but not windows, do it on a console.

If you want a Mac for other things and want to game occasionally, fine. but buying a Mac to try and use for gaming as a primary use case is just... insane.

For the cost of an M1 max to run games half decently you could buy a Switch, PS4, an Xbox Series S AND an M1 MacBook Air..

I'd include PS5 but they're out of stock everywhere.

 

[lysingur]

Apple doubled down on being done with the transition a year from now, by the end of 2022. They reiterated it during the MacBook Pro event. The transition *WILL* be complete in 2022.

They didn't double down on anything. Notice how Tim said Apple is one year into a two-year transition:

1. This implies that they actually fudged on the starting point by moving it forward from Jun (2020), the month when they announced it, to Nov (2020), the month when the first M1 Mac was introduced, because at the time of the "MacBook Pro" event, Oct 18, 2021, they're already (or should be) well into the 2nd year.
   
2. If Apple really wants to double down on "being done with the transition a year from now," they would've said "We're at the second year of a two-year transition" WITHOUT mentioning that the transition started with M1. They already gave themselves an additional four full months extension on their original "promise." This either means they felt they needed more time or they've been experiencing delays in hardware engineering.

I'm actually not sure what point you're trying to make. Are you trying to point out some kind of mistake on my part?

1. The year 2023 isn't really the point I was trying to make in my prediction of Apple Silicon's future in gaming nor is it related to the topic of this thread.
2. Not sure how it is in Danish but you do know that the quote that compelled you to nitpick with me is technically correct?
   
   2023 is when things will start to turn in Apple Silicon's favour because that's the year when the entire Mac lineup will have an Apple Silicon inside.
   
   
3. It's all the more strange because I was talking about 2023 as the year that Apple Silicon will start to gain dominance in gaming. I wasn't talking about Apple's transition timeline per se.

On a separate note, I'd be very surprised if Apple can actually stick to their own timeline and introduce an Apple Silicon Mac Pro by Nov 17, 2022. If you really want to pick on other people about being precise, don't just say the year 2022, include the month and day too. Anything later than November 17, 2022, is more than two years, to be precise.

 

[lysingur]

Didn't they just do a refresh by adding the RDNA2 line of GPUs to the Mac Pro?

That's a minor spec bump, and only on the graphics card, and only as options. No serious techie would call it a "refresh."

 

[Billrey]

They didn't double down on anything. Notice how Tim said Apple is one year into a two-year transition:

1. This implies that they actually fudged on the starting point by moving it forward from Jun (2020), the month when they announced it, to Nov (2020), the month when the first M1 Mac was introduced, because at the time of the "MacBook Pro" event, Oct 18, 2021, they're already (or should be) well into the 2nd year. View attachment 1911530
2. If Apple really wants to double down on "being done with the transition a year from now," they would've said "We're at the second year of a two-year transition" WITHOUT mentioning that the transition started with M1. They already gave themselves an additional four full months extension on their original "promise." This either means they felt they needed more time or they've been experiencing delays in hardware engineering.

I'm actually not sure what point you're trying to make. Are you trying to point out some kind of mistake on my part?

1. The year 2023 isn't really the point I was trying to make in my prediction of Apple Silicon's future in gaming nor is it related to the topic of this thread.
2. Not sure how it is in Danish but you do know that the quote that compelled you to nitpick with me is technically correct?
   
   2023 is when things will start to turn in Apple Silicon's favour because that's the year when the entire Mac lineup will have an Apple Silicon inside.
   
   
3. It's all the more strange because I was talking about 2023 as the year that Apple Silicon will start to gain dominance in gaming. I wasn't talking about Apple's transition timeline per se.

On a separate note, I'd be very surprised if Apple can actually stick to their own timeline and introduce an Apple Silicon Mac Pro by Nov 17, 2022. If you really want to pick on other people about being precise, don't just say the year 2022, include the month and day too. Anything later than November 17, 2022, is more than two years, to be precise.

The two years started at the announcement of the MacBook Air laster year. Apple said the transition would take two years, and have been 100% consistent about that.

Let's check back November/December 2022 and see. Based on what Apple have said, they will have the whole product line transitioned by then.

 

[lysingur]

The two years started at the announcement of the MacBook Air laster year. Apple said the transition would take two years, and have been 100% consistent about that.

Let's check back November/December 2022 and see. Based on what Apple have said, they will have the whole product line transitioned by then.

The two years started with this, which is an official press release. You, of all people, should know.

 

[diamond.g]

That's a minor spec bump, and only on the graphics card, and only as options. No serious techie would call it a "refresh."

Why do it at all if they planned on no longer making them next year?

This is OT, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Mac Pro as it is now no longer exists when they go to Apple Silicon.


As an aside, I wonder why Bright Memory Infinite doesn't support macOS. It is a UE4 games and "should be simple" to get a macOS version working right?

 

[Homy]

The two years started with this, which is an official press release. You, of all people, should know.

It's pretty simple. Mac Mini Pro and iMac Pro will be introduces in the first half of 2022 with M1 Pro and Max and Mac Pro will be out by the end of 2022 with 2-4x M1/M2 Pro and Max. There won't be a new Intel Mac Pro. I said the same thing when iMac 2020 was out and people said it's not the last Intel iMac. We saw how that went.

 

[lysingur]

It's pretty simple. Mac Mini Pro and iMac Pro will be introduces in the first half of 2022 with M1 Pro and Max and Mac Pro will be out by the end of 2022 with 2-4x M1/M2 Pro and Max. There won't be a new Intel Mac Pro. I said the same thing when iMac 2020 was out and people said it's not the last Intel iMac. We saw how that went.

So you're calling Apple a liar?

Either there will be a new Intel-based Mac Pro and Apple can't complete the transition within the two-year timeframe OR the next iteration of Mac Pro is Apple Silicon and Apple reneged on what they "promised" in the press release. It's very unlikely that they'll splinter Mac Pro into two versions or introduce Apple Silicon Mac Pro within the same calendar year as the new Intel-based Mac Pro.

That's the danger of taking whatever Apple says too literally. The remaining time simply won't allow Apple to keep all of the "promises" they made on Jun 22, 2020. If you want to think of Apple as a company that actually cares about this kind of thing, it's actually better to say there'll be an Intel-based Mac Pro in 2022 because, with time, you can fudge a little. It's a transition after all. But whether there'll be more Intel-based Macs is a pretty black-and-white statement.

We really just have to wait and see. Siri and Home app blow, big time, but I still have faith in Apple's hardware engineering. They won't rush a half-baked Pro machine just to keep a silly "promise."

 

[Billrey]

The two years started with this, which is an official press release. You, of all people, should know.

"Developers can start building apps today and first system ships by year’s end, beginning a two-year transition"

This means the transition started at the end of last year, and from then will take two years, meaning end of 2022. It's 100% consistent and clear.

 

[ErikGrim]

They won't rush a half-baked Pro machine just to keep a silly "promise."

What makes you think it will be rushed or "half-baked"? The specs have already leaked. They are on schedule.

 

[MallardDuck]

So you're calling Apple a liar?

Either there will be a new Intel-based Mac Pro and Apple can't complete the transition within the two-year timeframe OR the next iteration of Mac Pro is Apple Silicon and Apple reneged on what they "promised" in the press release. It's very unlikely that they'll splinter Mac Pro into two versions or introduce Apple Silicon Mac Pro within the same calendar year as the new Intel-based Mac Pro.

That's the danger of taking whatever Apple says too literally. The remaining time simply won't allow Apple to keep all of the "promises" they made on Jun 22, 2020. If you want to think of Apple as a company that actually cares about this kind of thing, it's actually better to say there'll be an Intel-based Mac Pro in 2022 because, with time, you can fudge a little. It's a transition after all. But whether there'll be more Intel-based Macs is a pretty black-and-white statement.

We really just have to wait and see. Siri and Home app blow, big time, but I still have faith in Apple's hardware engineering. They won't rush a half-baked Pro machine just to keep a silly "promise."

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Yup, and they released them already. I seriously doubt we will see more intel macs. If we do, it'd only be a speed bump on the pro.

remember 'exciting' is right up there with 'courage' in the apple hype lexicon

 

[toobravetosave]

Running games via boot camp on an actual Mac is just spending a lot of money on bad gaming hardware only to dual boot it into windows anyway.

If you want to run Windows games, do it on Windows. If you want to run games but not windows, do it on a console.

If you want a Mac for other things and want to game occasionally, fine. but buying a Mac to try and use for gaming as a primary use case is just... insane.

For the cost of an M1 max to run games half decently you could buy a Switch, PS4, an Xbox Series S AND an M1 MacBook Air..

I'd include PS5 but they're out of stock everywhere.

not all games need intense gaming hardware, in fact most don't. I play mostly older games too so bootcamping was incredible. don't gotta be so extreme about use cases, bootcamp was a fabulous feature to have the best of all worlds

 

[Homy]

So you're calling Apple a liar?

Either there will be a new Intel-based Mac Pro and Apple can't complete the transition within the two-year timeframe OR the next iteration of Mac Pro is Apple Silicon and Apple reneged on what they "promised" in the press release. It's very unlikely that they'll splinter Mac Pro into two versions or introduce Apple Silicon Mac Pro within the same calendar year as the new Intel-based Mac Pro.

That's the danger of taking whatever Apple says too literally. The remaining time simply won't allow Apple to keep all of the "promises" they made on Jun 22, 2020. If you want to think of Apple as a company that actually cares about this kind of thing, it's actually better to say there'll be an Intel-based Mac Pro in 2022 because, with time, you can fudge a little. It's a transition after all. But whether there'll be more Intel-based Macs is a pretty black-and-white statement.

We really just have to wait and see. Siri and Home app blow, big time, but I still have faith in Apple's hardware engineering. They won't rush a half-baked Pro machine just to keep a silly "promise."

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And that seems to be the exact same thing you are doing yourself, taking things Apple says too literally. That statement was in June 2020 BEFORE Apple introduced "exciting new Intel-based" iMacs. They said they had new Intel Macs in development and two months later they released those new Intel Macs. What they didn't say was that they would update every Intel Mac they have before the transition to Apple Silicon. That statement was enough to ensure people they won't abandon Intel right away. In fact they didn't update any other Mac, except new Radeon 6000 graphics cards for Mac Pro, as a last kind gesture.

Apple will most likely complete the transition as easily as I described and they won't be reneging their promise, because they never promised to release yet another Intel Mac Pro, only "exciting new Intel-based" Macs like the iMacs they released. There is a small chance they will keep the Intel Mac Pro a bit longer alongside the Apple Silicon Mac Pro for pros that are still dependent on x86 software but they all have their chance to buy one for another year so I doubt Apple will keep the Intel-based Mac Pro for long after the transition, if at all.

There is a chance Apple will update the CPU according to Macrumors but that doesn't stop the complete transition in 2022.

 

[lysingur]

What makes you think it will be rushed or "half-baked"? The specs have already leaked. They are on schedule.

I've already given you my reasons in a long post. If you really care to know, you can read it. Just because something has "leaked" doesn't mean it'll become a reality. I have two questions for you:

1. Where are these "leaks" that you keep talking about?
2. The most recent rumour (found nowhere other than on this very site) is actually that the new Mac Pro will feature Ice Lake Intel chips. What do you know that Macrumors don't to think that Apple is "on schedule" with an Apple Silicon Mac Pro?

 

[lysingur]

And that seems to be the exact same thing you are doing yourself, taking things Apple says too literally. That statement was in June 2020 BEFORE Apple introduced "exciting new Intel-based" iMacs. They said they had new Intel Macs in development and two months later they released those new Intel Macs. What they didn't say was that they would update every Intel Mac they have before the transition to Apple Silicon. That statement was enough to ensure people they won't abandon Intel right away. In fact they didn't update any other Mac, except new Radeon 6000 graphics cards for Mac Pro, as a last kind gesture.

Apple will most likely complete the transition as easily as I described and they won't be reneging their promise, because they never promised to release yet another Intel Mac Pro, only "exciting new Intel-based" Macs like the iMacs they released. There is a small chance they will keep the Intel Mac Pro a bit longer alongside the Apple Silicon Mac Pro for pros that are still dependent on x86 software but they all have their chance to buy one for another year so I doubt Apple will keep the Intel-based Mac Pro for long after the transition, if at all.

There is a chance Apple will update the CPU according to Macrumors but that doesn't stop the complete transition in 2022.

Please cite where I took Apple literally. The whole point about this taken-out-of-context argument about when Apple will complete its transition to Apple Silicon is to not take Apple too literally.

I also never said Apple meant by that statement that they will refresh every Mac with Intel.

I also never tried to deconstruct what Apple meant by "exciting" nor was it ever brought up by me. You should really learn to stop putting words in people's mouths.

Again, like our dear friend ErikGrim, please explain why you're so confident that there won't be any new Intel Mac Pro despite rumours to the contrary.

Keeping Intel Mac Pro alongside Apple Silicon Mac Pro literally means the transition isn't complete. And you're literally backtracking by saying that. ?

And if Apple does fresh Mac Pro with new Intel chips, that LITERALLY means the transition is still ongoing.

 

[lysingur]

Yup, and they released them already. I seriously doubt we will see more intel macs. If we do, it'd only be a speed bump on the pro.

remember 'exciting' is right up there with 'courage' in the apple hype lexicon

A speed bump? You mean with new Intel chips? That literally means the transition to Apple Silicon is still ongoing.

Are we playing word games with what "transition" means now?

 

[lysingur]

"Developers can start building apps today and first system ships by year’s end, beginning a two-year transition"

This means the transition started at the end of last year, and from then will take two years, meaning end of 2022. It's 100% consistent and clear.

So you just read this release?

If you think they're being clear in the press release, then why did you think they doubled down on anything at the Macbook Pro event in Oct 2021?

The real ambiguity lies in the fact that they announced the transition in Jun but stated that the "real" transition begins with a yet-to-be-released Mac several months down the line. (Link)

I'm not sure why you're even surer than Apple when in the same press release, they say it'll take "about" two years. I'm not a betting man but I have my money on an Intel Mac Pro in 2022. ? And if they do introduce a new Mac Pro with new Intel chips, that literally means the transition is still ongoing.

 

[ErikGrim]

I've already given you my reasons in a long post. If you really care to know, you can read it. Just because something has "leaked" doesn't mean it'll become a reality. I have two questions for you:

1. Where are these "leaks" that you keep talking about?
2. The most recent rumour (found nowhere other than on this very site) is actually that the new Mac Pro will feature Ice Lake Intel chips. What do you know that Macrumors don't to think that Apple is "on schedule" with an Apple Silicon Mac Pro?

They were leaked WITH the M1 Pro and M1 Max die layouts back in May.

Apple Readies MacBook Pro, MacBook Air Revamps

Apple Inc. is preparing to release several new Mac laptops and desktops with faster processors, new designs and improved connectivity to external devices, accelerating the company’s effort to replace Intel Corp. chips and leapfrog rival PC makers.

www.bloomberg.com

Codenamed Jade 2C-Die and Jade 4C-Die, a redesigned Mac Pro is planned to come in 20 or 40 computing core variations, made up of 16 high-performance or 32 high-performance cores and four or eight high-efficiency cores. The chips would also include either 64 core or 128 core options for graphics. The computing core counts top the 28 core maximum offered by today’s Intel Mac Pro chips, while the higher-end graphics chips would replace parts now made by Advanced Micro Devices Inc.

Note that this doesn't preclude the possibility of an intel-refresh of the big Mac Pro with Intel Ice Lake Xeon W-3300 prior or even at the same time.

 

[lysingur]

Note that this doesn't exclude the possibility of an intel-refresh of the big Mac Pro with Intel Ice Lake Xeon W-3300 prior or even at the same time.

• This would mean the transition is ongoing. Volkswagen can't claim to have transitioned entirely to the electric engines when they're still making combustion engine cars and nor can you claim an "intel-refresh of the big Mac Pro" doesn't constitute an ongoing transition that's not yet finished.
• I don't even know what "big" Mac Pro means.
• The rumour (or I guess you prefer to call it leak) is actually older than the one I cited.

 

[ErikGrim]

And I don't even know what "big" Mac Pro means.

The M1 Mac Pro will be ¼ the size of the big Mac Pro.

 

[lysingur]

The M1 Mac Pro will be ¼ the size of the big Mac Pro.

Mx Mac Pro doesn't exist right at this very moment, brother. And Apple never uses big or small to describe their Mac Pros. You're just imagining things and coming up with your own terminology.

 

[ErikGrim]

You're a very strange person.

 

[throAU]

Who knows, the trashcan may return!

With a Pro/Max/larger M1 derivative, the form factor would probably work well.

 

[MallardDuck]

Who knows, the trashcan may return!

With a Pro/Max/larger M1 derivative, the form factor would probably work well.

The ultimate Jon Ivy cool but useless design.

 

[CarlJ]

Either there will be a new Intel-based Mac Pro and Apple can't complete the transition within the two-year timeframe OR the next iteration of Mac Pro is Apple Silicon and Apple reneged on what they "promised" in the press release. It's very unlikely that they'll splinter Mac Pro into two versions or introduce Apple Silicon Mac Pro within the same calendar year as the new Intel-based Mac Pro.

The Mac Pro is a special case. Some of the customers it's targeted at (recall that they made a big deal out of getting design feedback from various industry professionals) have large collections of them and use them to run very specialized software, some of which isn't ported to Apple Silicon yet. I can totally see a case for them bringing out another revision of the Intel-based Mac Pro (to best support said customers), at or around the same time that they also release the new Apple Silicon-based Mac Pro, for customers who are able to transition off of Intel hardware. Wouldn't look good for them to tell these high-end customers they courted, "okay, the AS version of the Mac Pro is out, time to recycle your Intel Mac Pros, we don't care if the software you need doesn't run on Apple Silicon yet".