Flash on the iPad is grrrrrreat!

Spudracer

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I just visited another forum I haunt and found a great iPad feature. While scrolling through pages of posts, I kept thinking something was different but it didn't register right away. Eventually it dawned on me that the big empty blue box on the side of the screen was where I'd normally see all the annoying flash driven ads blinking away. They're gone! The forum web page works fine. Just the ads are blanked. This is awesome.
 

eawmp1

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So, finally unburied your head from the sand? This was noticed when Steve presented the iPad inJanuary. :rolleyes:
 

nStyle

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Wow... you don't have to look past the first page of this forum to realize 100% of iPad owner's already knew this.
 

Spudracer

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So, finally unburied your head from the sand? This was noticed when Steve presented the iPad inJanuary. :rolleyes:
I guess I'm not the geek you are. First time I've actually encountered it. I just assumed the majority of the site would be affected. But noooo. So why is everyone complaining about flash compatibility? Oh, I understand the loss of hulu video but getting rid of ads seems a reasonable trade.
 

Hankster

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That's great. Now, go to any of your local news station sites and view any of their videos. Or, how about any video from any newspaper that isn't on their homepage? What about hulu.com or espn.com? Or say ANY major broadcasting network (FOX/NBC/ABC/CBS) and watch their shows? How about the Discovery Channel? Or National Geographic? Or, even simple sites like Oakley or any major product line from bikes to apparel. Try that :cool:

I don't know what sites you visit, but most of mine don't have crazy Flash ads. Most sites with crazy Flash ads aren't worth being on.
 

nStyle

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Its 2010. Come on. Flash is no where near new technology. Flash absent on a "computing" device is unacceptable.

It wouldn't keep me from buying an iPad, but its pretty pathetic.
 

Surely

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Its 2010. Come on. Flash is no where near new technology. Flash absent on a "computing" device is unacceptable.

It wouldn't keep me from buying an iPad, but its pretty pathetic.
It's not pathetic- it's a step in the right direction.

Flash is a CPU and battery hog. I hope Apple succeeds in forcing websites to stop using it.

Good riddance to Flash.
 

7on

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My major issue is that Flash is owned and controlled by one company. The web should never standardize around something that's closed. Apple probably didn't want to pay for a Flash license.
 

Stella

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My major issue is that Flash is owned and controlled by one company. The web should never standardize around something that's closed. Apple probably didn't want to pay for a Flash license.
Thats what the book and especially the music industry may be thinking about Apple ( iBooks, iTunes ), hence the music industry are giving offers to non Apple stores such as Amazon.
 

Chip NoVaMac

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It's not pathetic- it's a step in the right direction.

Flash is a CPU and battery hog. I hope Apple succeeds in forcing websites to stop using it.

Good riddance to Flash.
Thanks you beat me to the reply - and don't forget that Flash as a CPU hog generates lots of heat. Not good for a handheld device.

My major issue is that Flash is owned and controlled by one company. The web should never standardize around something that's closed. Apple probably didn't want to pay for a Flash license.
Technology by one company is not always a bad thing. Because no other company had the history of Adobe, Flash became the standard to protect content. Now we have HTML5 and the iPad - so the landscape is changing.

If CPU/heat/battery issues were not a problem for devices like the iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad - I am thinking that Apple would have been happy to use Flash - till HTML5 came along.

Content protection is key with the web today. And Flash was there to do it early on. I just hope that someone writes a program that can take a flash website and convert it to HTML5. If not I see smaller websites stuck in a hard place to bring their websites up to HTML5 so the likes of the iPad can be used on their websites.
 

fishepa

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I've only run into a situation once where I wished I had flash, that was while visiting hulu's site.
 

ippikiokami

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Everyone who thinks HTML5 is their savior have you ever ran anything with HTML5 that really ran better?

I mean i don't understand this flash argument at all..

Ads . If people really move away from flash. They will just find another way to put ads up. If you haven't noticed ... Websites are supported by ads... if they didn't have them they wouldn't be able to survive.

Flash hogs cpu. Did any of you guys try HTML youtube and others when it came out? First thing that came to mind when I ran it was wow this used a lot of processing power. BTW not saying flash doesn't use a lot (it does) but part of that is crappy flash development. And what if with flash 10.X Adobe optimizes it enough that it runs well? The web isn't jumping to HTML5 overnight and if Flash becomes more streamlined by then what reason is there to jump off then?
 

bpd115

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As an aside I just visited espn on the very iPad I am typing this on and they now support HTML 5 as the videos were playing fine.
 

LinMac

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Let's clear up a few things about Flash.

1) Flash is a memory/CPU hog.

This is 100% true. Flash 9 on Mac OS X would essentially make a Mac unusable with just two Flash ads on a web page. Things have gotten better in Flash 10 and 10.1, but it is still very resource intensive for even basic operations.

Is there any reason Flash should consume vastly more CPU than software such as VLC?

2) Video on the web must be protected. Flash support is vital for DRM.

I hate to break it to you, but most websites are already moving in the dual Flash/HTML5 direction. DRM might be "necessary" to some content providers at the moment, but we'll see how long it lasts.

Do a reality check and tell me how much content protected by DRM isn't already available on bittorrent, rapidshare, et al. Even Blu-ray disks protected by advanced DRM like BD+ are ripped by software such as http://www.makemkv.com/

3) HTML5 is just as resource intensive. There is no benefit.

This is a curious arguement. HTML5 video support has just been baked into Webkit based browsers within the last 3 - 6 months and is barely more than a beta while Flash has been here for over a decade. It seems like within that time Flash would have been made so efficient that HTML5 couldn't compete yet a technology that isn't even hardware accelerated in most software packages can match or beat Flash within 3 - 6 months of release.

HTML5 needs a high level IDE like Flash uses (come on Google, Apple, etc..?) so people can shut up about Flash. It is a CPU hog, it is a security risk, and it needs to be put out of our misery.
 

nStyle

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I'm sorry, but just because the iPad doesn't use flash, doesn't mean the rest of the world will any time soon.

The point is there are so many sites that the iPad can't see correctly because of lack of flash.
 

Surely

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I'm sorry, but just because the iPad doesn't use flash, doesn't mean the rest of the world will any time soon.

The point is there are so many sites that the iPad can't see correctly because of lack of flash.
Meh... I've had an iPhone for 2 years, and I've rarely felt left out.

And now, more and more sites are converting to HTML5, so I'll feel even less left out.
 

Durnaurion

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I must say that I wasn't too happy about the iPad not supporting flash when it was announced, since I watch a lot of flash videos. I was totally aware of the fact that flash uses way too much cpu power and creates heat like nothing else I run on my MacBook, but there was just no alternative...

I also thought that Apples attitude (We don't like flash, we don't support flash. The internet has a lot of flash so it has to change in order to be supported by us) was not just amusingly cooky but also unrealistic. But by now I'm amazed how many sites are starting to convert to HTML5 or developed an app for the iPad. It looks like they are actually changing the internet by coaxing websites to suit their devices and not the other way round.

Who knows what the situation will be in one or two years time?
 

Stetrain

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Its 2010. Come on. Flash is no where near new technology. Flash absent on a "computing" device is unacceptable.

It wouldn't keep me from buying an iPad, but its pretty pathetic.
Yeah, how silly of Apple to keep it off of the iPad. Look at the JooJoo by Fusion Garage, it does flash just fine! Well, as long as you don't want to watch anything but standard res, and as long as you don't want to watch video full screen due to horrible stuttering.
 

yyy

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Flash on the mac is even bettttttter! You can use Flash blockers like FlashBlock to eliminate Flash ads, just like in the iPad, and you get the added bonus of actually using Flash when you need it - all with a click of a button :cool:
 

badmac78

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Thats what the book and especially the music industry may be thinking about Apple ( iBooks, iTunes ), hence the music industry are giving offers to non Apple stores such as Amazon.
The book, music, and movie industries are fighting business models not open web standards.
 

undrpsi

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I don't know what sites you visit, but most of mine don't have crazy Flash ads. Most sites with crazy Flash ads aren't worth being on.
Aw, c'mon Hankster...like another poster said "...the reason so many are upset about 'no-flash' is their favorite pornsites don't work..."
:rolleyes:
 

undrpsi

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Meh... I've had an iPhone for 2 years, and I've rarely felt left out.

And now, more and more sites are converting to HTML5, so I'll feel even less left out.
Exactly!
I never felt like I was missing anything...so your favorite 'copper pot fan club' site doesn't work..just pick from the other eleveenty-million copper pot sites..
It's the internet...it's not like the same content isn't copied onto other sites. :rolleyes:
 

pilotError

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Everyone who thinks HTML5 is their savior have you ever ran anything with HTML5 that really ran better?

I mean i don't understand this flash argument at all..
Where there is a will there is a way.

Apple is just helping to create the will to move away from flash as a standard on the web.

The Open Source community is rising to the occassion. It won't be long before they have a nice toolset to mimic flash's functionality.