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Flash Player 10 on PPC macs SLOW... anyone else?

I can't say I've noticed but I block flash most of the time and use the awesome ClickToflash ( http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/ ) so I can use the H.264 option on YouTube whenever possible. I far prefer not having to deal with Flash unless I know I need to for an actual reason.

I'm not sure running older versions of Flash is a great idea... As has been mentioned in this thread it's had a lot of security vulnerabilities, which is part of why there's been so many updates to it, not just to make it perform worse on older machines :p

If you have trouble playing a file and it's possible to, another option would be downloading the .flv file and converting to mp4 in something like Handbrake.
In Safari it is very easy to download most flv files, just go to Window>Activity and look for the file ending in .flv, double click it and it'll download, then you can re-name it and convert it to MP4, or try playing it in VLC.
 
mabaker, glad Flash 8 is helping you so much. When I went back to 9 on my PPC iMac 1 GHz flat panel it didn't help so much so I went back to 10. I haven't tried going as far back as 8 but maybe I should.

By the way, what's the overall word out there about how Flash works with the current modern Intel Macs? I thought it was doing pretty well. It sure "looks" good at the Apple Store but I didn't investigate CPU usage.
 
sgmorr said:
mabaker, glad Flash 8 is helping you so much. When I went back to 9 on my PPC iMac 1 GHz flat panel it didn't help so much so I went back to 10. I haven't tried going as far back as 8 but maybe I should.

By the way, what's the overall word out there about how Flash works with the current modern Intel Macs? I thought it was doing pretty well. It sure "looks" good at the Apple Store but I didn't investigate CPU usage.
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It runs great actually, I have a Macbook Pro 2.53ghz dual core 4gbram nvidia 9400m. The funny thing is when I boot to Vista on the Macbook Flash/Hulu run hotter in Windows but runs much cooler in SL.
I recommend to anyone who watches a lot of Flash TV and videos to keep your G4s and G5s for doing actual work computing stuff and get a new Mac mini for Flash vids. There is a Mini with the same specs as my MBP for 700$ or just get a cheap windows7 machine for vids.

I also recommend to everyone that you lower your screen rez to about 1280x800 ( for 16:10 widescreen monitors) that will ease some processor /gfx burden when watching stuff fullscreen and keep temps down.
 
sgmorr said:
mabaker, glad Flash 8 is helping you so much. When I went back to 9 on my PPC iMac 1 GHz flat panel it didn't help so much so I went back to 10. I haven't tried going as far back as 8 but maybe I should.

By the way, what's the overall word out there about how Flash works with the current modern Intel Macs? I thought it was doing pretty well. It sure "looks" good at the Apple Store but I didn't investigate CPU usage.
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Same to me, Flash 9 was as slow as 10, but the version 8 is pretty much ok. I know there are security vulnerabilities but I am not as concerned that anybody would want to make an exploit on an old PPC code... :D

Anyhow I got a new Mac Mini one week ago and while I absolutely love love love it I have to say the Flash performance is beyond abysmal. Where a simple Flash video on Windows (Bootcamp) takes let's say 10% max CPU usage, the very same one on MacOS X takes around 60%-80%, and don't even try to play the new 1080 feature on YouTube on these new Macs or on any Macs whatsoever! LOL

Of course Flash on Mac OS X coupled with a speedy 2.53 GHz processor runs passably when one video is open, but don't you dare open more than 2 or 3 flash windows!

Anyhow I was pretty stunned when I watched the (stunning) Thalys high speed train commercial video on my new Mac mini:

http://www.thalys.com/de/en/metamorphosis-in-action?nocache=1261087615

- stuttering and dropped frames every 10 or so seconds
- when booted into Windows the very same video played flawlessly with no stutter what-so-ever.

Luckily I am not that Flash-dependant myself but it's rather unnerving that having bought a brand new comp just now you're left with some mediocre flash performance just cuzz some company decided to practically abandon mac platform in favor of the mobile market. :confused:
 
mabaker, I'm disappointed to hear that you new Mac mini still has trouble with Flash. I was hoping that all the new Intel Macs would handle Flash much better.

By the way, I tried that high speed train video on my G4 iMac and it basically did not leave the station! Worse than terrible. It really didn't work.
 
mabaker said:
Anyhow I got a new Mac Mini one week ago and while I absolutely love love love it I have to say the Flash performance is beyond abysmal. Where a simple Flash video on Windows (Bootcamp) takes let's say 10% max CPU usage, the very same one on MacOS X takes around 60%-80%, and don't even try to play the new 1080 feature on YouTube on these new Macs or on any Macs whatsoever! LOL
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Ae you using firefox? I know it only uses 1 core for flash, Google Chrome uses both. I'm not sure about safari, my test is gone. (wish I had downloaded it) EDIT: Google Chrome gets double that of safari on another test

Youtube hq works fine, but I dont have a screen big enough to test 1080p
 
With reply to the original poster my parents had complained that their 1.6Ghz G5 would hardly run BBC iplayer.

For those in the states this is BBC's TV streaming service. It is flash based, using a h.264 video stream.

I've just come up North for Christmas, so I thought I'd take a look at the problem.

Just updated to the latest 10.1 beta 2 released on Dec 17th, using firefox beta 3.6 iPlayer is now very smooth.

This is on G5 1.6 with 1GB memory at 10.5.8, with QuartzGL Enabled.

Just for fun I loaded the same flash beta 2 onto my 1GHZ 12" Powerbook that I keep for travelling around and iPlayer is just about watchable in fullscreen - a little choppy, but waaayyyy better than it was. This machine is on 10.4.1 with 1.25GB memory.
 
It's Adobe's disdain for Unix.....

Well, I suspect that the Mac Flash Player is basically the same as the Linux Flash Player, as OS X is Unix, and Linux is a Unix Clone.......and Adobe seems to be criminally negligent with that codebase.

When they fix one, they'll likely fix the other. If............
 
I would like to report that after having installed the latest 10.1 player beta on my eMac and the latest Intel mini I can see an initial improvement in performance.

In the GUIMark Flash Test the mini went up from 14 (Flash 10.0) to 22 FPS (Flash 10.1).

Also happy to report that youtube became kinda watchable again on a 1 GHz Freescale processor. Never thought I'd see that day I must confess. Let's hope they nail the performance down to at least the solid performance that Macromedia Flash 8 Player was.

dmmcintyre3, I am using Safari for all my tests on all of my macs. :D
 
This has probably been said countless times before, but in my honest opinion Flash just is pretty damn slow on any platform other than Windows. It seems as if Adobe didn't really bother optimizing it for anything but Windows, which to be honest makes sense considering how it's the vast majority of their userbase.

Saying that, Flash is still perfectly usable on the Mac platform, and I've had no issues with it,

Saying that, on my old G4 Mac Mini I did find that Flash was a bit sluggish at times, and it would make the fan go insane.
 
7031 said:
This has probably been said countless times before, but in my honest opinion Flash just is pretty damn slow on any platform other than Windows. It seems as if Adobe didn't really bother optimizing it for anything but Windows, which to be honest makes sense considering how it's the vast majority of their userbase.

Saying that, Flash is still perfectly usable on the Mac platform, and I've had no issues with it,

Saying that, on my old G4 Mac Mini I did find that Flash was a bit sluggish at times, and it would make the fan go insane.
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OK, so you're making my point exactly. Adobe is focused on short-term profits, and ignoring that Mac and Linux are 2 of the fastest-growing market segments right now, on the heels of sheer stupidity at M$, and Adobe is making themselves look like narrow-minded, short-sighted buffoons.....which may very well be true, but they ought to be doing everything they can to avoid getting a consumer REPUTATION for being that way.

That's why they need to make a GOOD Flash Player for Linux/Unix (OSX) and stop ignoring a small, but intelligent and vocal segment of the market!
 
PPC isn't the problem

I tried to watch a video clip, being streamed from a Website and encoded with Adobe Flash. The Intel-based laptop was using Adobe Flash Player 10. I don't know what it was doing, but the laptop became somewhat hot and my battery was drained faster than expected. The video also stalled during playback and had to be reloaded. The cause did not appear to be a bandwidth problem, as there was plenty of buffered clip remaining after the point where the video stalled.

I miss the days when QuickTime video was the de-facto standard. At least I can still watch Apple commercials without CPU overloads and stalling video playback. What is so special about Flash that everybody seems to want to use it? There are even Flash file uploaders being used now. What's wrong with FTP and Java? Ever since Adobe bought it, Flash has been one resource-hogging problem after another. At least I intend to continue using QuickTime and Java! :cool:
 
Adobe Flash 8 works well for youtube on an iMac G3 500Mhz

Thanks to this thread I uninstalled Flash 10 from my iMac G3 500Mhz (running Mac OS 10.4.x).

I then installed Adobe Flash 8 for PPC (PowerPC) and now videos on youtube work well.

Using both Flash v10 (even the latest v10.2 beta) and Flash v9 all you tube videos would miss most frames and sound synch problems happen.

This happened in all these browsers Firefox v3.5.7, Safari v4 and Camino v2.

I know as I tested them all with various adobe Flash versions.

I am using Firefox v3.5.7 and I altered browser.sessionstore.interval to 190000 just to be "safe" though for me this did NOT improve the performance of Flash 10 nor Flash 9. Flash 8 seems fine.

ref:
http://www.ghacks.net/2009/11/18/youtube-videos-playback-problems-and-fixes/

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/587946/


On youtube I get warnings about not having the latest flash version installed for some videos, which I ignore.

I understand that sites like myspace require flash 10, so I can't watch or hear those with flash 8...(?)

I live in the UK, therefore the only problem I now I have is that the BBC iPlayer doesn't work on my iMac since that (at the time of writing) requires Flash 9.

ref:
http://blogs.rnw.nl/medianetwork/bbc-switches-to-flash-for-live-streaming
"The BBC iPlayer now uses Flash-based streams for live radio as well as on-demand radio on all its UK national radio stations. For live radio, the BBC iPlayer requires Flash Player v9.0.115 or above - which has been freely available since December 2007."

However I can use VLC for MacOS and use wma streams to access BBC radio live via the internet.

ref:
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/streaming_programmes/real_wma_streams

http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r1.asx
http://bbc.co.uk/radio/listen/live/r4.asx
http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/help/streaming_programmes/local_radio_streams

"Please note that from Monday 21 September 2009, local radio streams will no longer be available in Real format."

Good! I hate RealPlayer. It is only slightly better on a Mac than a PC.


Notes:

I have yet to investigate whether or not the iPlayer Desktop for Mac will work on my Imac G3. Though I assume it still will require at least Flash v9.

I used to use RealPlayer for MacOS to listen to BBC Radio 4, however they no longer seem to use that for iPlayer.

I note that BBC World Service still seems to be available via a RealPlayer stream.



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Adobe Flash uninstaller for MacOS
ref:
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/141/tn_14157.html
"How to uninstall the Adobe Flash Player plug-in and ActiveX control"


Adobe flash v8 for Mac which runs great on PPC
ref:
http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/142/tn_14266.html
"archived versions of Flash Player"
and all Windows and MacOS Flash v8 are in
http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/installers/archive/fp8_archive.zip

I used r42 version of Adobe flash 8. The file is called
flashplayer8r42_mac.dmg




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Finally - yes iMac G3 500Mhz running MacOS 10.4.x still rock!

1Gb RAM
80Gb hard disk at 7200 RPM

I welcome replies, as I can share more info of my experiences on this subject.
 
Agree!

Just new here...

I agree that Flash player really sucks! I frequently watch youtube but youtube/Google changed to flash player 10 recently and can't upgrade to 10 as I'm using OSX 10.2.8. so youtube is finished for me. I am not planning to upgrade my OS and HW to be able to upgrade to Flash 10 for a descent performance. This action from Google/youtube is the beginning of an end. Hopefully, and it may will. Flash is an extremely slow crappy format! I can watch a DVD with my G4 powerbook, open several Quicktime movies and even listen to mp3 and still experience no problems. Everything works fine on my powerbook! However if I open a youtube movie from the internet the same time, or browse a web page that has flash embedded, things get suddenly difficult. What is this?? As soon as internet flash media gets involved it starts to get difficult. The fan of the CPU kicks in and applications are getting hicky. How the h**l can these guys from macromodia design such software. I have been a professional HW designer in the past for millitary equipment. Now I am working for a large mobile telco company for quite few years already and what we have learned is that you don't have to try to built walled gardens but stay open as possible and simple as possible. Backwards compatibility is a must.. If somebody calls himself a software engineer for web applications, I think of him these days as a "script writer", no engineer at all. They mostly use flash, java scripting.. cause they cant't write good code anymore like 2 or 3 decades ago. Amateurs. This whole internet media is going nowhere. Maybe its my age, I am 43 and maybe I don't understand this. Just imagine that every two years you have to replace few transistors in your engine management system of your car because of a design flaw or that you have to solder an additional circuit (the codec) in your TV every 2 years to watch new channels... This would be unacceptable, however these things are common practice with the internet. I don't understand people accept this. I don't! This move from youtube was the very limit to me. Just stay with well designed solid algorithms / codecs for media that are backed with impressive mathematics.. really. What the h**l is going on there with Google / youtube and Adobe macromedia??


Cheers,

Pascal

12" Powerbook G4 867MHz 1GB OSX 10.2.8
 
You won't even be able to run Firefox much longer Pascal66. Support for Panther is getting to be almost as dead as OS9. I can run OS9 on my upgraded 1.8GHz G4 Digital Audio, but I have a hard time getting sound to start (seems to be an issue with the CPU upgrade that they don't care to look into), but regardless, there's not much to do there because only older software runs on it (much older). I found a disc of old stuff on the Internet to play with, but at the very least you need a modern web browser and without it, there isn't much point. It doesn't support newer printers, etc. (it does work with my Brother Laserjet because of Postscript, but not my Brother Inkjet All-In-One). Really, it's pretty horrible anyway. Panther is much better, but it's still old. Tiger was by far the best version of OSX for both efficiency and stability on PPC, IMO. Leopard crashes and locks up here seemingly randomly (sometimes, it'll run for a month without issue; other times it crashes within an hour or two of booting). But some software already doesn't support Tiger anymore either and there are some really nice features in Leopard like the spacebar preview of media.

Some other things are clearly Apple's own fault like not sharing the APIs needed to offer hardware support for H264 decoding for something like the latest versions of Flash. Heck, Apple doesn't support hardware decoding for most of their own software in OSX! Apple is YEARS BEHIND Microsoft when it comes to video/3D/API support. It is OSX' achilles heel and the worst part is that Apple (and by Apple I mean Steve) doesn't CARE because he has no interest in gaming and high-end video anymore. He has turned into a gadget guy and couldn't care less if his interests aren't your interests.

Either way, you should already know by now that Steve doesn't support older hardware or software what-so-ever (Ironically, once again, Microsoft is pretty good about that sort of thing) so too bad for you if you're trying to run Panther on ancient hardware. I had to fool Leopard into installing on my upgraded PPC machine because it didn't recognize the 1.8GHz speed since it was a 3rd party upgrade. Likewise, some of the upgraded hardware (like my ATI 9800 Pro video card) doesn't have driver support in OS9, so it's a two-way street of incompatibility even on older hardware. I get no acceleration support in OS9 and the card that came with the computer (ATI Rage 128) has no acceleration support in Leopard (without some hacking, that is). Even my barely 1 year old MBP has no H264 acceleration support in Snow Leopard. You have to have the integrated chipset to get that. Apple doesn't want to support any hardware that isn't brand new because they want to encourage you to keep buying new hardware constantly (that's why most Macs don't have easy internal upgrades available for them and if they do, they are priced out of the reach of most consumers and things like EFI ensure that you can't buy off-the-shelf PC graphics cards, but rather have to pay Apple through the nose (or hack) to get a version that works with OSX. It seems Apple is all about taking your $$$$ in every way possible and not much else these days). Windows generally supports your hardware so long as its capable of running the OS. Say what you will about Microsoft (I don't personally like them as a company any more than Apple), but my AMD based XP machine almost never crashes while both my Macs running Leopard lock/crash on a fairly regular basis by comparison. That just doesn't seem right considering OSX is Unix based, but that never stopped X from crashing/locking up my machine in Linux either. A stable kernel doesn't mean much if things thrown on top of it are unstable and as near as I can tell memory management only goes so far in preventing certain catastrophic events. Otherwise, I wouldn't get lockups that don't even register as kernel panics (a song will just be repeating a few milliseconds of sound and the computer will be otherwise completely unresponsive). And even when I DO get a kernel panic, I usually don't know what caused it. The error reports are useless seeing as I've submitted a dozen since the last update to Leopard and no fixes are forthcoming (nor ever will be since Leopard is now officially dead save security fixes and since Snow Leopard doesn't support PPC, I can be pretty much assured that Leopard is as stable as it's going to get for this machine.
 
fiercetiger224 said:
you people complaining, either don't use Flash, or just buy a new machine.
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Hello, Windows XP user here. I was planning to buy a G5 Mac (from ebay) until I found this thread about the flash problems. My XP machine is 8 years old and still runs everything, including flash, flawlessly. Even my ancient Windows98 AMD K6 at ~400 megahertz lets me watch flash on youtube without problems.

It seems ridiculous to me a PPC user can't continue using his 2, 3, or 4 year machine when I'm using Intel machines 2-3 times that age and half-as-slow, but still working great. That's just wrong.
....you guys are stuck in the stone age of technology.
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You must be very young if you think a gigahertz Mac is "stone age". Let me tell ya sonny ;-) if you want old take a gander at my computer collection: A Quadra Mac, a Commodore Amiga, and a Commodore=64. They run between 25 and 1 megahertz, and have a small 8 to 0.06 megabytes of memory. Now THAT'S stone age. :)

I think what we have here is typical of Apple. Back during the 68000-to-PPC transition they supported the older users for several years, but with the PPC-to-x86 jump they appear to have turned their back. You spend about twice as much for your Mac, but only get half the lifespan of a Wintel clone.
 
theaveng said:
Hello, Windows XP user here. I was planning to buy a G5 Mac (from ebay) until I found this thread about the flash problems.
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I don't think Flash is a big problem for a G5 personally. I'd be more concerned about the operating system being dead at Leopard for PPC machines. They'll be useful for a few more years until browsers and other software dump them (many programs are coming out that don't run on PPC already and not just games). I mean wait until iTunes isn't offered for PPC anymore. At that point, I might have to dump my PowerMac server if I haven't already replaced it. Basically, I see no point in buying a machine (even used unless very cheap) if it will not be functional in years to come due to a lack of software (not due to a lack of CPU power). Let's face it. My 1.8GHz PowerMac has PLENTY of power for MOST applications (other than HD video or newer games). It's the lack of support for hardware in software that will cause it to be not useful in the future. A Quad G5 will have plenty of power even for HD video well into the future, but if you cannot get updates to software, what good will it do?

I've learned one thing about Apple over the past couple of years since the switch to Intel versus Microsoft. If you want your machine to be supported for a LONG time, you're better off with Microsoft. Apple is shortening their software support cycle ever faster these days. iPhones are getting dumped from iOS already and they just came out a few years ago. The ironic thing is that computers aren't jumping leaps and bounds in terms of speed like they did ten years ago and you only need so much power to surf the Internet and run an Office program. HD video will be the standard for years to come so if your machine can do that you're probably golden except for gaming. So there is LESS of a reason to buy a new machine every few years these days so I think companies like Apple and Microsoft are going to be driven to CREATE reasons to upgrade instead (like dumping all support for 3-4 year old hardware, which leads to software dumping support which makes them dead in the water despite ample CPU power).


It seems ridiculous to me a PPC user can't continue using his 2, 3, or 4 year machine when I'm using Intel machines 2-3 times that age and half-as-slow, but still working great. That's just wrong. You must be very young if you think a gigahertz Mac is "stone age". Let me tell ya sonny ;-) if you want old
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My PowerMac is still running 24/7 as my whole house server and I use it for the Internet the vast majority of the time. It cannot do HD video, but otherwise, I've had no real problems with it.

take a gander at my computer collection: A Quadra Mac, a Commodore Amiga, and a Commodore=64. They run between 25 and 1 megahertz, and have a small 8 to 0.06 megabytes of memory. Now THAT'S stone age. :)
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Seems like yesterday to me I got my first C64 (back around 1982). But you have to remember that society has a short memory (Generation Y has no memory of such things and they're now in their '20s) and those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it. This is common because those that remember the horrors of things like World War II are dying off and the younger generations have had everything handed to them. Reading a few chapters in a history book does not sufficiently convey the horrors of things like war and so within another generation or so, the world will be back where it started. It's also a shame as I still think many games from the C64 were vastly superior to the games on today's PCs and consoles in terms of playability. Dragon Age Origins is the first game in a long time that really struck me as "awesome" today. I was regularly "wowed" back in the days of arcade games. Everything was new and original. Now everything is copied, remade and overdone and use graphics to replace fundamentals like gameplay.
 
theaveng said:
Hello, Windows XP user here. I was planning to buy a G5 Mac (from ebay) until I found this thread about the flash problems. My XP machine is 8 years old and still runs everything, including flash, flawlessly. Even my ancient Windows98 AMD K6 at ~400 megahertz lets me watch flash on youtube without problems.
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I'd be hard pressed myself to buy any used PPC Mac, be it a G4 or a G5. You'd just be on borrowed time with it until it goes completely obsolete from a software support point of view. Not worth it.

Are you serious that you can still watch Flash on Youtube with Windows 98 and a 400 MHz AMD? If so, I'm impressed. I replaced my G4 iMac 1 GHz running Tiger (10.4.x) recently with a new Intel iMac. The G4 is "only" 7 years old and still runs great but it just can stomach Flash video, and really has trouble with most any internet video except Quicktime movie previews from Apple's site. It's rather disappointing to me to not be able to do basics, such as watching low quality standard internet video fare, with a still somewhat decently powered 1 GHz Mac.

And I agree, I suppose, with the premise that Flash is bad for a variety of reasons, but by golly, if it's out there on the internet then I want to watch it and my computer, Mac or PC, darned well better be able to handle it until it is replaced across the board with some other "standard" format.
 
surprise big improvement w Flash 10

Flash plyr 10 on my ppc improved about 3x the performance, youtube now amazing. Previously I had to let the video load before playing, then it was 90%. w/ Flash 10 it plays full speed as it is loading. Not what I expected at all. Safari 4.1 even better; usually use Firefox. I thought, huh, they fixed it.. about time. Sorry to see you guys having trouble.

use 'Digital Audio' model with 1.33ghz g4, but extra big 5" fan on cpu helps keep it cool to
the touch. Have to run w/ access door propped open, plastic bag to keep out spills, et al. I noticed without the bigger fan and running somewhat blazing w/ stock little fan that performance was less than it is now. Always been tempted to try a dual 1.8Ghz 7448 g4 upgrade, but now they are more expensive than a mac mini, or an ebay G5, nertz
I did completely un-install Flash plyr 9 before installing 10...., maybe that's it?

Also running Tiger. Can do 720HD no problem, even over giga network from a file on an external hard drive attached to another machine, also DA running 10.4 w 733 g4.
One IT-type guy thinks the chips are running faster than reporting. Stock 32MB nvidia card is better at everything than Radeon 128MB 'best you can get' that burned up.
I thought that was very strange....
Don't look the gift horse in the mouth...
 
korgri said:
Flash plyr 10 on my ppc improved about 3x the performance, youtube now amazing. Previously I had to let the video load before playing, then it was 90%. w/ Flash 10 it plays full speed as it is loading.

use 'Digital Audio' model with 1.33ghz g4, but extra big 5" fan on cpu helps

Also running Tiger. Can do 720HD no problem, even over giga network from a file on an external hard drive attached to another machine, also DA running 10.4 w 733 g4.
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My PowerMac Digital Audio (formerly a dual 500MHz model) is running a 7448 1.8GHz G4 (not a dual 1.8) and I never had any trouble loading flash video before. The machine does not get remotely hot at all with stock fans (7448 model supposedly runs much cooler; I can believe it).

I am puzzled by your 720HD comment, though. Are you saying you can watch 720P video on this machine with a stock 32MB Nvidia card? I've got an ATI 9800 Pro in mine with the faster 1.8GHz 7448 G4 and 720P video (as in even low-bit rate MP4 stuff in iTunes) still stutters so I find it hard to see how a 1.33GHz model with a 32MB NVidia can run 720P smoothly. My system "serves" 720P video (to Apple TV, for example) just fine, but viewing it is another matter.


now. Always been tempted to try a dual 1.8Ghz 7448 g4 upgrade, but now they are more expensive than a mac mini, or an ebay G5, nertz
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Yeah, the dual model was twice the price of this single one. At the time I got the upgrade, the existing Mini was a joke and Intel still had poor support in OSX. I've been using it for over three years now to drive my home theater and whole house audio system. It's on 24/7 and usually has no problems.
 
theaveng said:
Hello, Windows XP user here. I was planning to buy a G5 Mac (from ebay) until I found this thread about the flash problems. My XP machine is 8 years old and still runs everything, including flash, flawlessly. Even my ancient Windows98 AMD K6 at ~400 megahertz lets me watch flash on youtube without problems.
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Good luck getting that to work with YouTube HD videos.
:rolleyes:
 
better w/ Flash plyr 10 on DA

yeah the card I had that burned up was the same card as yours, the 9800 Pro, w/ 128MB
So I put back the stock Nvidia and HD video improved to the point I could watch 720p.
Try it and see if it works for yours... Curious if the 9800 w 256MB would've worked better, but I think that the DA boards were intended for Nvidia. Had a Nvidia 4 w/ 128 MB that worked great (before the days of HD video) but it burned up too.
If you had stock 500Mhz CPUs then your model is a Gigabit Ethernet. The Digital Audio had dual 533Mhz due to the 133Mhz bus versus the Giga's 100mhz bus. Maybe it's that extra bus speed?
Where Nvidia card fell short was on the Warcraft online game. Had to dump the subscription because the Nvidia card couldn't render but at the lowest possble settings, and even then it got choppy when onscreen events would get busy. But 720p video, even from a file attached to another DA that's networked (gigabit) to this one.. no problem!
Digital Audios are odd ducks....
 
hawken king said:
Seriously, this has killed flash for me.

I'm not sure what Adobe have tested this on, but I'm going to have roll back to flash player 9.

I cannot believe that it's even having trouble playing youtube videos without dropping a few frames here and there. Forget fullscreen flash websites.

The funny thing is my workstation is a G5 tower with oodles of powerful stuff inside. I have no problem creating things with adobe software.

Anyone else?
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It's a miracle that they still support PPC Macs. After all, not even Apple does it anymore...

Have you tried using Firefox and Chrome, and how does the Flash player perform in these browsers?
 
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