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Flasher beaten up by schoolgirls

Mantat said:
About crime rate:

I am tired of people who keep saying that the society is getting worst as time pass. Its totaly false. The rate of crimes in % and nominal number is declining years after years. Well, according to some stats that I dont want to find again.

But its possible that its increasing in some area and declining in others, that I dont know. But I know that study was for north america...

And if I had a kid and a pervert flashed his dick in front of her, I dont think I would want him to be hurt. The first thing would be to explain to my kid what happened and why. And I did some research on google to link flashing with other sexual crimes and there is no correlation. That means that flasher dont eventualy become raper (rapist?!?). Explanation: Flasher are arroused by the idea of others seeing them. Raper (ist?) are arroused by the notion of power they have over someone else.
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I wonder if you would feel the same way if you lived in another city in Canada, say Windsor, ON. I want to be generous toward people but there are times when action is the only thing that works. Philadelphia has a lot of crime and it's a very busy city. I remember some good kid getting beat to death in Philly because people waited for the police and the 911 dispatchers didn't do their job properly. He'd been long dead by the time the police arrived.
 
They had every right to hold him for police. I think that eleven individuals should have been able to restrain him without violence.

I don't think that he will ever do that again.
 
agreenster said:
Funny, this very same scenario was in an episode of "ER," and maybe Law&Order too.....must be a common thing.

And yeah, it was probably "wrong" for the girls to kick this guy, but I sure as hell wouldnt charge them for it. Yes, vigilante actions are wrong, but it seems like criminals are getting more and more disgusting while punishments are getting more and more lenient.
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haha I saw that episode about that too!
 
Skeeball236 said:
What a funny story, men/guys who flash deserve a beating....

That said, there's truly a not enough female flashers these days. Women need to rally together and form a club for this type of activity, and are welcome in front of my house anytime. :D

Just PM me ahead of time so I can set up the cameras and check the lighting, etc..... ;)
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Get a job delivering pizza. You'll be treated, even if you aren't tipped. ;) :D
 
Koodauw said:
Question: Do they have the right (legally) to subdue him untill the police arrive? anyone know of court cases on this?
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Citizen's arrest used to be fairly common, before police were in most cities (and you had to wait for the sheriff), so i would guess this would still be legal by some old rule in the books.
 
yep, citizens arrest. but i didn't know that included a free beating? :p

but from reading that article i think that guy didnt' nearly get what he deserved. sounds like he needs counseling or something, or put him in jail for alot longer where he can see what it's like to be on the receiving end of a flash, and alot more...

yamabushi said:
A friend once had an interesting encounter with a flasher while she was working as a cashier. The guy apparently placed his penis on the counter along with some items he intended to purchase and then made some kind of comment. My friend was so shocked and surprised that she panicked and instinctively whacked his penis with the nearest item at hand. Unfortunately for the flasher the item happened to be a can of soup that he had placed on the counter next to his penis. It took a while to get him in the ambulance because everyone including the police and paramedics were laughing so hard. Apparently the can actually left dent in the counter. I wonder how many people would have responded in a similar way if they were put in the same situation.
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hehe. :D that's a funny story. i guess most people would react the same way. i know i'd freak out and want it off my counter. :D great story.
 
Awimoway said:
I agree that crime rates are down. We are so accustomed to always thinking things were better "in the good ol' days" that we fail to recognize whenever this is not the case. Crime rates have been going down for about 10 years.
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I think "in the good ol' days" people could be bothered to report crime.
Those statistics only really mean something when you balance them against an immovable marker. I want to know how we could measure unreported crime.

Seems like 10% less crime means government can spend 10% less on law enforcement and use the savings for their index linked pensions.
 
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Mantat said:
Sorry but I have to say that the beavior of the crowd was problematic. Even tho the flasher did something terribly wrong, it doesnt deserve the treatement he got. Violence seems to be the overly used these days...
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Violence seems to be overly used these days? These days? so what your saying is that 100, 200, 500, 1000 years ago or more, we were less violent?
Perhaps you could better survive in those days... Though 90% of us probably couldn't because they were a more brutal time. Try living in some country where they still practice such brutal forms of punishment.

.... these days... Ha! yes, we still live on planet earth, and humans last time I checked are still animals.
 
munchmime said:
Violence seems to be overly used these days? These days? so what your saying is that 100, 200, 500, 1000 years ago or more, we were less violent?
Perhaps you could better survive in those days... Though 90% of us probably couldn't because they were a more brutal time. Try living in some country where they still practice such brutal forms of punishment.

.... these days... Ha! yes, we still live on planet earth, and humans last time I checked are still animals.
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You know, I agreed with Mantat on this, but I've been thinking about it since then, and I realize we were wrong. It's rather hypocritical of the anti-vigilantism bunch on this thread (and I include myself among them) to claim, as I did, that violence is up but crime is down. I don't even think the love of violence is up compared to, say, 50 years ago. Think of how things have improved, violence-wise, in the American South or South Africa (of course, now South Africa has new kinds of violence problems, but you get my point).

But what I would like to argue—and what I think was the original motivation for my argument—is that the glorification of violence ought to be less common than it is. We are a maturing society, at least the modern, “Western World” is. We have made great strides in overcoming traditional cultural immaturities like racism and sexism. We haven't fully overcome these things, but we've made progress. So why not violence? Why do we still love war and hurting people? Why do we itch for an excuse to pound somebody to a bloody pulp? Why do we cheer on vigilantism? We're really not so far removed from ancient villagers carrying torches and pitchforks, and it's a bloody shame.
 
wdlove said:
They had every right to hold him for police. I think that eleven individuals should have been able to restrain him without violence.
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And what right was this? Not to sound mocking, but I would honestly like to know.


crazzyeddie said:
Citizen's arrest used to be fairly common, before police were in most cities (and you had to wait for the sheriff), so i would guess this would still be legal by some old rule in the books.
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So basically your just guessing. Or do you have some evidence.

I would like to read some info on this, so if anyone has some, please let me know.
 
Koodauw said:
I would like to read some info on this, so if anyone has some, please let me know.
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Google search for "Citizen's Arrest" reveals:

http://www.constitution.org/grossack/arrest.htm
http://www.kevinboone.com/citizens_arrest.html

The summary of the second article is helpful, if you don't feel like reading through it all:

A private citizen can lawfully arrest someone whom he or she has evidence to suspect is committing, or has committed, an arrestable offence. Caution is required when arresting someone who is believed to have committed an offence earlier, because if it turns out that the arrestee's actions did not amount to an offence, the arrest will have be unlawful. A private citizen can be authorised by a court to carry out an arrest under the authority of a search warrant. Finally, anybody can lawfully arrest a person who is unlawfully at large. A person carrying out a lawful arrest can use reasonable force. If the arrest turns out to be unlawful, then any force used will amount to a criminal offence and may also give rise to a claim for damages.
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Edit: Yes, that's English law, not American law, but the concept is the same, and the first article goes through the American laws state by state if you want more detail.
 
Skeeball236 said:
What a funny story, men/guys who flash deserve a beating....

That said, there's truly a not enough female flashers these days. Women need to rally together and form a club for this type of activity, and are welcome in front of my house anytime. :D

Just PM me ahead of time so I can set up the cameras and check the lighting, etc..... ;)
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haha. i do like flashing .. at least at home or in my bedroom .. well, at least when i feel sexy and comfy enough with my body... i just take off all clothes and walk around with my apple tattoo ... it works every time .. well of course i always flash to the same guy but still ... :rolleyes:

not in unknown places. umh .. makes me remember the weirdest and most extrovert thing ever i've done was dancing on a cube in an apple staff party wearing a minimalistic jaguar top (and jeans) .. i normally could never think about dancing on a cube nor wearing a jaguar top (a shirt yes) .. but that doesn't count as flashing ... [does anyone have any pics of that party?? there were a lot of ppl with the cameras, i still havent seen any pics..]
 
skunk said:
I've always thought that the best response to a flasher is to burst out laughing.
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That man was apparently thick, so he needed a bit more encouragement to stop.

There was a cleaning woman working in the hospital annex building where I worked and said that some man was standing in the parking lot below the windows where she was working and he exposed himself to her. I said to her "If he returns, ask him if it comes in adult size and see if he returns." ;)
 
Awimoway said:
But what I would like to argue—and what I think was the original motivation for my argument—is that the glorification of violence ought to be less common than it is. We are a maturing society, at least the modern, “Western World” is. We have made great strides in overcoming traditional cultural immaturities like racism and sexism.
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I wonder if we have really made great strides in overcoming racism and sexism or if we've just learned to be polite and keep more quiet about our prejudices. For example, if you were to directly ask any American today if they believe they're racist, I don't imagine that anyone would answer in the affirmative. But their actions might belie the claim (e.g. do they worry about property values going down if the "wrong kind of people" move into the neighborhood?)

Awimoway said:
We haven't fully overcome these things, but we've made progress. So why not violence? Why do we still love war and hurting people? Why do we itch for an excuse to pound somebody to a bloody pulp? Why do we cheer on vigilantism? We're really not so far removed from ancient villagers carrying torches and pitchforks, and it's a bloody shame.
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I'm not sure I agree that we "love" war and hurting people, but your point is well taken. Now, as for cheering on vigilantism, I believe that's a little more understandable. Not necessarily justifiable, but understandable ;) There's an increasing belief that the "bad guys" are getting away with more and more these days and that we can't count on the justice system to do the right thing anymore. So when people cheer on vigilantes, it is (in my opinion) more of a reaction to this frustration than an endorsement of the violence that happens to be a part of the vigilante's actions.
 
Mantat said:
Sorry but I have to say that the beavior of the crowd was problematic. Even tho the flasher did something terribly wrong, it doesnt deserve the treatement he got. Violence seems to be the overly used these days...
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He resisted. He was convicted. IMHO no future lawsuit.
 
Giaguara said:
haha. i do like flashing .. at least at home or in my bedroom .. well, at least when i feel sexy and comfy enough with my body... i just take off all clothes and walk around with my apple tattoo ... it works every time .. well of course i always flash to the same guy but still ... :rolleyes:

not in unknown places. umh .. makes me remember the weirdest and most extrovert thing ever i've done was dancing on a cube in an apple staff party wearing a minimalistic jaguar top (and jeans) .. i normally could never think about dancing on a cube nor wearing a jaguar top (a shirt yes) .. but that doesn't count as flashing ... [does anyone have any pics of that party?? there were a lot of ppl with the cameras, i still havent seen any pics..]
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Does having one too many drinks, and stripping in front of a bar window count?
 
Koodauw said:
Remind me not to commit a felony in KY!
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Best not to commit a felony anywhere ;)

But if you must, here in New Mexico is probably a good place. This state is legendarily easy on criminals. (Other than illegal immigrants, who have at times been reportedly shot for sport by locals living near the border)
 
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