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Flat Panel iMac up to $1800?
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Re: SJ Keynote-all the rumors
I have a thought - I hope not. Emulating Windows software on a Mac will be a step in the wrong direction.
Software written for windows won't take advantage of OS X, while giving developers no reason to write OS X native software. Further, runing through an emulator will always tip the hat to Windows, thus beging the question, why buy a Mac?
Just compare 3D Excel charts in Office XP and in Office v.X - the Mac makes a far more stimulating graphic because of Quartz in OS X. Can't do it with Windows.
I have a thought - I hope not. Emulating Windows software on a Mac will be a step in the wrong direction.
Software written for windows won't take advantage of OS X, while giving developers no reason to write OS X native software. Further, runing through an emulator will always tip the hat to Windows, thus beging the question, why buy a Mac?
Just compare 3D Excel charts in Office XP and in Office v.X - the Mac makes a far more stimulating graphic because of Quartz in OS X. Can't do it with Windows.
He's referring to the fact that in quantity, per unit cost is lower. Ex. I bought over $500 worth of chocolate at a retailer this past Christmas. Because i bought so much, they gave me a 10% discount. Now if i bought it one box at a time, i would have paid 10% more than in quantity.
Return of the Cube
The $1800 figure could be for an iMac targetted for offices. With a G4 instead of a G3 maybe. Basically a Cube without the Cube.
I agree with others that $1800 is high for a consumer- level, non-upgradable desktop machine. UNLESS it has the Superdrive. Steve Jobs seems to be wanting to push DVD-burning to consumers. An 15" LCD iMac with a 1-ghz G3, a GeForce2, and a Superdrive would be a bargain.
The $1800 figure could be for an iMac targetted for offices. With a G4 instead of a G3 maybe. Basically a Cube without the Cube.
I agree with others that $1800 is high for a consumer- level, non-upgradable desktop machine. UNLESS it has the Superdrive. Steve Jobs seems to be wanting to push DVD-burning to consumers. An 15" LCD iMac with a 1-ghz G3, a GeForce2, and a Superdrive would be a bargain.
Windows proggies on mac w/o emulation?
I believe that it is technically impossible to run Windows programs on a Mac without emulation. This is not to say that Apple wouldn't be able to make a OS update that would emulate windows in the background and run the program on top. They'd have to ensure that the emulation was slow enuf (vpc slow) so that there would still be a large enough advantage in running native OS X programs. We need some windows emulation for little programs but for other that are already avaliable for the mac, keep them OS X native. Making a GOOD windows emulator as part of the OS would be a *bad* decision considering Macs are only 4% of the desktop market...
I believe that it is technically impossible to run Windows programs on a Mac without emulation. This is not to say that Apple wouldn't be able to make a OS update that would emulate windows in the background and run the program on top. They'd have to ensure that the emulation was slow enuf (vpc slow) so that there would still be a large enough advantage in running native OS X programs. We need some windows emulation for little programs but for other that are already avaliable for the mac, keep them OS X native. Making a GOOD windows emulator as part of the OS would be a *bad* decision considering Macs are only 4% of the desktop market...
Why not?
I don't really see what the big deal is for an $1800 iMac. Remember, you haven't seen it's specs yet. And if they do release one for $1800 then it probably will be the highest of the high end. There will most likely still be one for less than $1,000, then one or two better equipped iMacs, then the $1800 one that is really, really, really nicely equipped. The Cube was basically made to fill that gap between people who want a nice basic iMac and those who want a fancy G4. Why not just make a very well put-together iMac for $1800 to fill that space instead of a new machine? Doesn't seem all that crazy to me. Everyone keeps saying no one will pay $1800 for an iMac, but how can you say that if you haven't seen the computer yet? You're all making that presumption based only on past iMacs.
I don't really see what the big deal is for an $1800 iMac. Remember, you haven't seen it's specs yet. And if they do release one for $1800 then it probably will be the highest of the high end. There will most likely still be one for less than $1,000, then one or two better equipped iMacs, then the $1800 one that is really, really, really nicely equipped. The Cube was basically made to fill that gap between people who want a nice basic iMac and those who want a fancy G4. Why not just make a very well put-together iMac for $1800 to fill that space instead of a new machine? Doesn't seem all that crazy to me. Everyone keeps saying no one will pay $1800 for an iMac, but how can you say that if you haven't seen the computer yet? You're all making that presumption based only on past iMacs.
$1800 iMac
Well, OK, as long as it has some pci slots (say 3 ) and a separate graphics card slot, and an LCD screen.
Run a couple of raided Firewire drives off the FW port and we have a reasonable small server/office box/mail server type machine.
Oh. Then its not an iMac anymore, is it?
Well if the iBook is going for $1199, then how do we get to $1800 for the iMac? The screen is what, another 2.5 inches bigger, and thats the only difference, except its cheaper to make an iMac because its bigger and the plastics are easier to mould, etc.etc.
You switch to all LCD's and now Apple is buying, say, 3.5 million screens a year. Now we got discount, boys.
There are presumably other savings on shipping costs, (LCD smaller and lighter) on lower voltage components, smaller transformers, etc.
So, the iMac with LCD for about 1299, with a CDRW drive and 1499 with DVD/CDRW drive.
$1800? Fuggeddabahdit.
Well, OK, as long as it has some pci slots (say 3 ) and a separate graphics card slot, and an LCD screen.
Run a couple of raided Firewire drives off the FW port and we have a reasonable small server/office box/mail server type machine.
Oh. Then its not an iMac anymore, is it?
Well if the iBook is going for $1199, then how do we get to $1800 for the iMac? The screen is what, another 2.5 inches bigger, and thats the only difference, except its cheaper to make an iMac because its bigger and the plastics are easier to mould, etc.etc.
You switch to all LCD's and now Apple is buying, say, 3.5 million screens a year. Now we got discount, boys.
There are presumably other savings on shipping costs, (LCD smaller and lighter) on lower voltage components, smaller transformers, etc.
So, the iMac with LCD for about 1299, with a CDRW drive and 1499 with DVD/CDRW drive.
$1800? Fuggeddabahdit.
512MB RAM, 1GHz G3, DVD/CDRW, geforce2 ti, POSSIBLY gigawire (whatever it is) and maybe even OFFICE v.X ???
sounds like an $1800 winner to me
sounds like an $1800 winner to me
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Beej
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Well look at what costs $1800 now... you can get a G4 733/40GB/128MB/GF2MX for $1700.
After the expo this machine will cost a couple of hundred dollars less, so add in an LCD, and you'd have a spankin' fast G4 LCD $1800 iMac...
After the expo this machine will cost a couple of hundred dollars less, so add in an LCD, and you'd have a spankin' fast G4 LCD $1800 iMac...
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gooddog
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lfrey1 don't worry
Don't worry lfrey1 ,
Tech TV says it's a Home Entertainment wonder ------
that's music ( iPod did this for now )
and TV < ======== this is the one !!!!
: ^ D !!!!!!!!
I predict a 27" version of the Cinema Display wrapped
around a do-it-all magic software wonder that takes
any signal or pixel shape --- HDTV , cable , satellilte,
digital , analog , progressive scan , interlaced , etc
and does whatever is needed to optimize it for the
display. Scale it down and do your computing too !
Tivo ? ..... Sure. Phone machine with all the flexibility
of a G5 included.
==============
There are only TWO THINGS of major import left to hub
----- TELEVISION and telephone / cellphone .
And DigiCams are already too well covered by other
manufacturers for Apple to compete with. B U T
when it comes to TV , HDTV , DVD , etc. ...... the
DVD 16 X 9 is going gangbusters but the HDTV with
16 X 9 sets ARE NOT MOVING NEARLY AS WELL ....
WHO WANTS TO BUY A CINEMA DISPLAY **AND**
A BEHEMOTH HDTV SET ------ I say Jobs is going to
combine these functions in one huge / POSSIBLY
ORGANIC LED or, more likely, FUSED MULTIPANEL
COMBINATION TV / COMPUTER / DVD PLAYER /
PHONE MANAGER.
/
: * ] AAAaaaRRRrrFFFff !!!
\
--- gooddog
Don't worry lfrey1 ,
Tech TV says it's a Home Entertainment wonder ------
that's music ( iPod did this for now )
and TV < ======== this is the one !!!!
: ^ D !!!!!!!!
I predict a 27" version of the Cinema Display wrapped
around a do-it-all magic software wonder that takes
any signal or pixel shape --- HDTV , cable , satellilte,
digital , analog , progressive scan , interlaced , etc
and does whatever is needed to optimize it for the
display. Scale it down and do your computing too !
Tivo ? ..... Sure. Phone machine with all the flexibility
of a G5 included.
==============
There are only TWO THINGS of major import left to hub
----- TELEVISION and telephone / cellphone .
And DigiCams are already too well covered by other
manufacturers for Apple to compete with. B U T
when it comes to TV , HDTV , DVD , etc. ...... the
DVD 16 X 9 is going gangbusters but the HDTV with
16 X 9 sets ARE NOT MOVING NEARLY AS WELL ....
WHO WANTS TO BUY A CINEMA DISPLAY **AND**
A BEHEMOTH HDTV SET ------ I say Jobs is going to
combine these functions in one huge / POSSIBLY
ORGANIC LED or, more likely, FUSED MULTIPANEL
COMBINATION TV / COMPUTER / DVD PLAYER /
PHONE MANAGER.
/
: * ] AAAaaaRRRrrFFFff !!!
\
--- gooddog
G
gooddog
Guest
iLump ???? iHopeNot !!!!
Gawd !!!!!!!
I hope it's not the Canadian Time Magazine thing !!!!
It's a lump with a chrome panel jammed into it !!!!!!
Totally non-evocative shape .... not even a little
asymmetry like a good bonsai planter !!!!!
Looks like Ives was angry with Jobs and pulled
a Richard Dreyfus on a clay mountain --- then kept the
wrong piece !!!!!!
The base clashes with the panel,
a dome retains heat too well,
the chrome is tacky,
Bondi looked like all good things past : this
iLump looks like none of them.
And it's not crystal clear , louvered lucite as I had hoped.
AAAAaauuuugggghhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/
>: * (
\
---gooddog
Gawd !!!!!!!
I hope it's not the Canadian Time Magazine thing !!!!
It's a lump with a chrome panel jammed into it !!!!!!
Totally non-evocative shape .... not even a little
asymmetry like a good bonsai planter !!!!!
Looks like Ives was angry with Jobs and pulled
a Richard Dreyfus on a clay mountain --- then kept the
wrong piece !!!!!!
The base clashes with the panel,
a dome retains heat too well,
the chrome is tacky,
Bondi looked like all good things past : this
iLump looks like none of them.
And it's not crystal clear , louvered lucite as I had hoped.
AAAAaauuuugggghhhhh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
/
>: * (
\
---gooddog
G
gooddog
Guest
RETRACT !!!!!!!!!!
AFTER seeing it on TV coverage ---- IT GREW ON ME !!!
It's a snowball , or a coconut ---- anyway I like it.
It (1800) is so loaded that I can afford it in one month
--- wish it could drive the Cinema Display ....Hmmmm
AFTER seeing it on TV coverage ---- IT GREW ON ME !!!
It's a snowball , or a coconut ---- anyway I like it.
It (1800) is so loaded that I can afford it in one month
--- wish it could drive the Cinema Display ....Hmmmm