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Here's my issue with the latest mac pro.. The design restricts its power as far as processing cores goes. You can only get 12 cores with this thing, so with hyperthreading you get 24.

You are only counting x86 cores. For cores that can do computations you are about an order of magnitude off.

If just need a box to wrap around wrap x86 cores then this isn't it. But computationally underpowered ??? Not hardly.


I thought the whole point of the PRO tag was to build a powerful workstation with the latest and greatest hardware.

The latest, greatest venue in the "core count" war is GPGPUs. (Xeon Phi cards aside but they have as much function/layout in with general GPGPU solutions as not. ).

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The person who buys a MP is going to be running Apple software. What Apple software can use more than 12 cores or needs more then 12 cores? The only one I can think of is Compressor.

There are some x86 based renders that folks trot out as being blocking issues also.

Apple is clearly walking away from dual CPU processor package implementations. Given Intel's pricing it is always going to be cheaper to buy two slower packages and come out with a more cost effective core count; if core count is only primary metric.


SO these "artsy" designers were really smart and got the costs way down with this design.

In some areas. Net total cost is likely the same or higher. The designers made trade-offs. Fewer of a couple of things and more of GPUs. Lower assembly, inventory, and shipping costs but now Apple has to design and contract custom GPUs. That is probably at least a wash on costs.

The case , heat sink , etc. may be easy to assemble as completed components but there is also a bit of balloon squeeze there two in terms of construction complexity given the likely quality and precision standards Apple likely requires.
 
Increasing the size of a factory and hiring workers is only part of the "Manufacturing puzzle".

Apple doesn't have the know how currently to create such a plant. And a manufacturer produces several electronic goods and can have scale economies as well as output flexibility, as well as machinery patents.

Creating a manufacturing know how in house is too expensive and not "critical" for apple. They prefer, rightly so, to keep the "design know how" in house. Which, in itself, is already an enormous deal. Designing custom silicon is already a gigantic feat.

I prefer them doing it and leaving assembly to specialized companies with know how, experience, flexibility and scale economies.

For the record, Apple used to build Macintoshes in Northern California, mostly with automated assembly. Building the Mac Pro would be pretty trivial, based on the images I have seen of the innards.
 
For most of us, there is going to be far, far less cable clutter than there were in the bad old days.

Small peripherals like keyboards and mice are all wireless now. Your Thunderbolt, USB, and Firewire devices can all be daisy-chained off your monitor. And 802.11ac WiFi has throughput comparable to Gigabit Ethernet - good enough for even many pro users.

IMO, if there are more than 2 cables directly connected to your 2013 Mac Pro (More if you really need Ethernet or have *serious* external storage requirements), then you're doing it wrong.

This is assuming that everyone's gonna be buying the glossy Apple displays for a premium...

Its gonna be a mess of cables for most pro people in real work environments, not some artsy fartsy guy at home. Every pro shop I'm around (design & print industry) has wired keyboards/mice as well as many other attached peripherals...
 
Why doesn't Apple build its own assembly facility...

Always relying on third party is sad, with the money they have...

They're finally bringing production of something back to the USA, and they are sending it out to a contracted builder...

What's the difference? What's the concern driving your comment? They're American jobs, isn't that what's important?
 
I thought this thing was supposed to be available soon. So much for an October 22nd release.

Who told you that?

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Here's my issue with the latest mac pro.. The design restricts its power as far as processing cores goes. You can only get 12 cores with this thing, so with hyperthreading you get 24. The machine is beautiful but I just got an ugly HP with 20 cores (40 with hyperthreading). Granted I am using Linux instead of OSX which I prefer, but I thought the whole point of the PRO tag was to build a powerful workstation with the latest and greatest hardware. I think Apple should create a pro division and keep the gear away from the artsy designers.

Isn't there like 127 threads on this already?
 
This is assuming that everyone's gonna be buying the glossy Apple displays for a premium...

Its gonna be a mess of cables for most pro people in real work environments, not some artsy fartsy guy at home. Every pro shop I'm around (design & print industry) has wired keyboards/mice as well as many other attached peripherals...

You nailed it. At the agency I work at these will never be seen, its hard enough with a tower but with these things being kind of weak to begin with and everything else having to be external they would never make sense.
 
IMO, if there are more than 2 cables directly connected to your 2013 Mac Pro (More if you really need Ethernet or have *serious* external storage requirements), then you're doing it wrong.

These are connections needed for me no matter the form factor:
- Power
- Video out 1
- Video out 2
- Backup Drive (external for easy removal to offsite location)
- Scanner

These are connections made external due to new MacPro garbage can design:
- High capacity storage
- Card reader
- Video capture
- Blu-ray burner (I still have people asking explicitly for optical media)

Keeping a rackmount, PCI card version would have been highly preferable. Besides, I was able to upgrade performance by upgrading my video card - which is no longer possible with the garbage can.
 
1700 workers.

Say 500 are lost in overheads and management.
1200 workers actually making things.

Say 1 product made per worker per 1 hour (8 per day).

= 9600 products per day.
Assume 20 day month (to allow for holidays)
= 192k Units per month

or 2.3m per year.

Does that sound like Mac Pro Sales (worldwide) ?
 
"Next Generation Desktop Computer"

This is why I hate Apple marketing. When was the last time you saw an ad for a "Next Generation Mac Truck"?

The marketing of a computer and a truck are different though.

This is next generation through and through and they're right marketing that way.

Does the current generation have this?: -

PCIe Flash with 1,200Mb/s speeds?
The most recent 12 and 8 core XEON CPUs?
Thunderbolt 2?
USB 3.0?

Nope. But the next generation does!

Well, every 3-5 years or so (depending on the model) Toyota advertises "The All-New Toyota {model}". Not sure why people hare taking issue with this.
 
I'm glad Motorola (Google) and Apple are bringing manufacturing back to America. I'd love to see something say, "Made in USA" and still resemble quality. :)
 
Here's my issue with the latest mac pro.. The design restricts its power as far as processing cores goes. You can only get 12 cores with this thing, so with hyperthreading you get 24. The machine is beautiful but I just got an ugly HP with 20 cores (40 with hyperthreading). Granted I am using Linux instead of OSX which I prefer, but I thought the whole point of the PRO tag was to build a powerful workstation with the latest and greatest hardware. I think Apple should create a pro division and keep the gear away from the artsy designers.

Oh come on, this is Apple. Who cares if it restricts processing power? Look how elegant, gorgeous, and sexy it is! And you get to pile all kinds of add on devices next to it wired to the "next generation" Thunderboltd port. Think how magical that will look. Can't innovate anymore my ass.
 
I bought a maxed out imac late 2012, but the mac pro is darn tempting. Maybe time to go pro(?)
 
Oh come on, this is Apple. Who cares if it restricts processing power? Look how elegant, gorgeous, and sexy it is! And you get to pile all kinds of add on devices next to it wired to the "next generation" Thunderboltd port. Think how magical that will look. Can't innovate anymore my ass.

I see what you did there.:D
 
Why doesn't Apple build its own assembly facility...

Always relying on third party is sad, with the money they have...

They're finally bringing production of something back to the USA, and they are sending it out to a contracted builder...

And don't forget, because this would be occurring on a designated "foreign trade zone", Apple can ship components into and assembled computers out of there all day long without having to pay any import or export taxes:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_zone
 
Pros don't care what the machine looks like. We just want raw power. This machine can only be half as powerful as the competition by default.
 
For most of us, there is going to be far, far less cable clutter than there were in the bad old days.

Small peripherals like keyboards and mice are all wireless now. Your Thunderbolt, USB, and Firewire devices can all be daisy-chained off your monitor. And 802.11ac WiFi has throughput comparable to Gigabit Ethernet - good enough for even many pro users.

IMO, if there are more than 2 cables directly connected to your 2013 Mac Pro (More if you really need Ethernet or have *serious* external storage requirements), then you're doing it wrong.
Here we go again.
What you describe is a SOHO scenario. Doubtless many web developers, graphic designers and even some videographers can work in such a fashion. But in a medium to large sized company you have to use ethernet. And in most businesses of any size, significant RAID-ed storage is mandatory. Either as a SAN, network share or attached device.
I'd also add that most of us working on content creation platforms like FCP and Logic have significant investments in external hardware.
If you want a computer that only connects via two cables and does everything else wirelessly you are the dream customer for an Air or iPad.
 
As I live in the UK, China or USA doesn't make much odds to me. My last Mac (and my iPhone) got from China to my door in about 84hrs from dispatch. Be interesting to see if the US built MacPro can do the same ;-)
 
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I am happy that there is a new Mac Pro coming.

just unsure about the design. Seems like Apple went to lots of trouble to make the design something pretty hard for end users to upgrade and swap things out on.

Simple things like memory, Data storage (Hard Drives or SSD), Graphics cards... you now need to pretty much buy everything from apple at purchase.

and while it will look nifty on a desk, it does seem like design form looks over substance or function. Recording studios, video production places and more are probably going to be figuring out how to use it without racking or "shelve" it.

but hell, when apple has users over a barrel, why not be happy that the computer is in October finally hiring staff to make it. umm... maybe in time for a shipping date of when? after Thanksgiving?

Ouch.
 
1700 workers.

Say 500 are lost in overheads and management.
1200 workers actually making things.
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= 192k Units per month

or 2.3m per year.

Does that sound like Mac Pro Sales (worldwide) ?

No. Probably off by at least an order of magnitude too high. But then nothing says that those 1200 workers have to restricted just to making Mac Pros.

a. it is a contract manufacturer. They can make non Apple stuff.
the sliding working demand points to more than just one product and also to a uneven product demand.


b. Currently Apple is doing some late stage assembly of iMacs in the USA too. Perhaps they will shift some of that here too. [ even with North America iMacs 2M/year is still bit high. ]


c. Not just PCs. This place could do Airport Extremes/Time capulses too without much additional drama.
 
"Next Generation Desktop Computer"

This is why I hate Apple marketing. When was the last time you saw an ad for a "Next Generation Mac Truck"?

When was a new Mac Truck announced that had a complete redesign and was twice as fast?
 
These are connections needed for me no matter the form factor:
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These are connections made external due to new MacPro garbage can design:
- High capacity storage
- Card reader
- Video capture
- Blu-ray burner (I still have people asking explicitly for optical media)

Connections versus cable. With Thunderbolt (TB) those are not necessarily the same. Frankly, one TB cable could do all 4 of those. Much of the cable/bloat hysteria has been in mapping every single subcomponent to a separate TB device. That makes little to no design sense. It is definitely not necessary.

Storage/carder read / blu ray could all be one. Not Thunderbolt based but indicative of what can do:

http://www.newertech.com/products/ministackmax.php



Keeping a rackmount, PCI card version would have been highly preferable.

If that was actually being bought in sufficient quantity it probably would have stuck around.


Besides, I was able to upgrade performance by upgrading my video card - which is no longer possible with the garbage can.

Again if Apple has a monster, red-hot video card market transactions on their online store they would be moving to kill that off ?
 
No. Probably off by at least an order of magnitude too high. But then nothing says that those 1200 workers have to restricted just to making Mac Pros.

a. it is a contract manufacturer. They can make non Apple stuff.
the sliding working demand points to more than just one product and also to a uneven product demand.


b. Currently Apple is doing some late stage assembly of iMacs in the USA too. Perhaps they will shift some of that here too. [ even with North America iMacs 2M/year is still bit high. ]


c. Not just PCs. This place could do Airport Extremes/Time capulses too without much additional drama.


or the new Mac Pro (mini).... not the trashcan form factor but the same design themes and black... now that would be sweet.:D:D
 
Here's my issue with the latest mac pro.. The design restricts its power as far as processing cores goes. You can only get 12 cores with this thing, so with hyperthreading you get 24. The machine is beautiful but I just got an ugly HP with 20 cores (40 with hyperthreading). Granted I am using Linux instead of OSX which I prefer, but I thought the whole point of the PRO tag was to build a powerful workstation with the latest and greatest hardware. I think Apple should create a pro division and keep the gear away from the artsy designers.

I guess the question is what tasks are Apple targeting this machine for? For me (video production), the benefit of more and more CPU cores starts to diminish. The benefit of dual GPUs far outweighs the what I'd get from 2x12core processors. Heck, for some applications, I'd be better served with a 6core processor with a higher clock speed than I would with the 12core config.

Perhaps Apple's statistics point to the vast majority of MacPro users being in that position.
 
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