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^^^^^ ah yes the I don't use it so its not needed argument.

Having an FM receiver would be handy whether listening to talk radio while on public transportation (commuting), listening to local sports without having to carry a second device or using metered data usage.
Even though FM can easily be streamed on edge, if you are in a 3g area its streaming and allocating an IP address.

I would find it rather handy.
paying for it? I say stop including the less than mediocre earphones
 
Having an FM receiver would be handy whether listening to talk radio while on public transportation (commuting), listening to local sports without having to carry a second device or using metered data usage.

Sports is the reason I'd love to have FM radio on my iPhone. The stations that carries my local teams are available through WunderRadio, but because of rules, the games can't be broadcast on WunderRadio. So there are times when I'm not near a real radio and would like to listen to a game but can't.
 
Mandatory FM??? What are these folks going to do next, sue us if we don't use it once it's stuffed into our phones?

FM turned into a wasteland because people now have other choices. We can bring the music we want to listen to with us and not have to wade through 10 commercials and 10 other songs to hear something that attracts our ear.

It's an outdated business model and no amount of legislative action is going to undo the advance of technology. To now put forth the notion that this is about public safety is such an utter act of desperation I almost -- almost! -- feel sorry for these folks.
 
...This isn't about public safety in the least. The NAB is trying to legislate the foisting of old technology on electronics vendors in the vain hope that it will compel people to listen to FM stations, without their constituency having to make an effort. Where should this type of nanny-state legislation stop? How about we pass laws that require every US resident to subscribe to a minimum level of cable TV service, since Over-the-air or satellite TV might be subject to weather conditions or transmitter failures due to terrorists attacks, and FiOS/UVerse are simply too new? How about we also mandate that every household subscribe to copper POTS wirelines phone service (again, Fiber is "too new" and untested) and connect rotary corded phones to that service?


What the NAB don't understand is, people like me aren't listening to FM not because we don't have FM radios, but because the stations we can receive on those radios provide us with no reason to listen. Perhaps if they innovated, and provided compelling programming, and didn't play the same 6 songs over and over between 20+ minutes of a commercials per hour, their audience numbers would grow.

What's worse, most of these FM radio stations no longer have news departments of their own, and are not equipped to provide news and information on their own in a serious crisis or emergency. In fact, during past crises, since September 11 on, many have tended to cut over to the audio of CNN or similar news feeds. So... what's the point? A potential listener like me could just go to CNN to get the video that goes with the audio.

There is never a good reason to force regulatory inclusion of obsolete technology that delivers irrelevant dreck. If you want lawmakers to make laws, then lobby them to focus on enforcing strengthening current and relevant technologies to have the reliability they should have.

Well said!
 
I doubt you have the data to substantiate the first two points, and you're dead wrong on the third. 64kbps s enough to deliver decent audio equivalent to an FM radio stream, and it's doable over EDGE.

On the other hand, adding an FM radio adds another antenna to the mix (or you could leave it out if you want the receiver to be unreliable except for the strongest of stations) would require yet another app on the home screen to control it whether you want it or not, and adds battery drain in addition to the 3G radio which will run concurrently with the FM and WiFi gear.

It's also not a valid argument that FM radios are scarce. I have FM radios, in my house and in my car. I don't listen to them, and haven't deliberately done so in years.

This isn't about public safety in the least. The NAB is trying to legislate the foisting of old technology on electronics vendors in the vain hope that it will compel people to listen to FM stations, without their constituency having to make an effort. Where should this type of nanny-state legislation stop? How about we pass laws that require every US resident to subscribe to a minimum level of cable TV service, since Over-the-air or satellite TV might be subject to weather conditions or transmitter failures due to terrorists attacks, and FiOS/UVerse are simply too new? How about we also mandate that every household subscribe to copper POTS wirelines phone service (again, Fiber is "too new" and untested) and connect rotary corded phones to that service?


What the NAB don't understand is, people like me aren't listening to FM not because we don't have FM radios, but because the stations we can receive on those radios provide us with no reason to listen. Perhaps if they innovated, and provided compelling programming, and didn't play the same 6 songs over and over between 20+ minutes of a commercials per hour, their audience numbers would grow.

What's worse, most of these FM radio stations no longer have news departments of their own, and are not equipped to provide news and information on their own in a serious crisis or emergency. In fact, during past crises, since September 11 on, many have tended to cut over to the audio of CNN or similar news feeds. So... what's the point? A potential listener like me could just go to CNN to get the video that goes with the audio.

There are entities like satellite radio, online broadcasting stations and online music stores that don't mandate by law that everyone be forced to own equipment capable of receiving their content, and yet they do just fine. The NAB could learn from their example.




There is never a good reason to force regulatory inclusion of obsolete technology that delivers irrelevant dreck. If you want lawmakers to make laws, then lobby them to focus on enforcing strengthening current and relevant technologies to have the reliability they should have.

Perfectly stated. I'm a long time music lover with a pretty broad range. There is never anything I want to listen to on FM. I have never even set the presets on any of my radios. If I do listen to FM it's local talk. But even that's rare.
 
Apple made the decision to not enable the existing FM chip. IMHO with FM there is less reason to purchase through iTunes. It's about $$$ which is why NAB is pushing for it. I'm OK with the status quo and resent an attempt to make congress legislate it.
Actually your wrong it is more reason with tagging,radio is where you'll probably hear new songs first. Steve doesn't feel you should have a radio this year.
 
...There is never a good reason to force regulatory inclusion of obsolete technology that delivers irrelevant dreck. If you want lawmakers to make laws, then lobby them to focus on enforcing strengthening current and relevant technologies to have the reliability they should have.
Well said, especially the part about "irrelevant dreck". I switched over to Sirius several years ago to get away from the vacuous, advertising-choked FM airwaves, and don't miss them one bit. If I had the masochistic desire to listen to that drivel again, there are plenty of apps that allow it. Personally, I couldn't think of a much more useless feature on a phone.
 
that's a really bad analogy... cranks would AID the working function of the motor (both need the engine for the car to run) not ADD an extra function from an older car that the new one doesn't have for X reason... here radio is not aiding the 3G or wifi, it's adding a completely extra new function from previous electronics that :apple: decided not to implement on theirs...

No...an excellent analogy. Cars have electric starters. The crank is an obsolete way to start the car. You can get radio on an iPhone via internet streaming. You don't need obsolete FM receivers in an already crowded case. And with radio, antenna issues become even more critical.

Radio is a dying medium.
 
That this is only two pages says it all. Mandatory inclusion of FM radio in a cellphone is nothing more than a ploy to prop up a dead business. FM radio constitutes another 20 MHz of spectrum that should be sold off by the FCC and put to better uses, like almost anything.
 
No...an excellent analogy. Cars have electric starters. The crank is an obsolete way to start the car. You can get radio on an iPhone via internet streaming...
I can see where you might be coming from if you think of it like that, but I think you just made what is defined as a false analogy (an error in the substance, not an error in the logical structure of the argument). Streaming radio is not FM radio. You are converting a type of signal to another one... Streaming radio is like having a nintendo emulator on your computer, is not exactly the same experience, but it's good enough to remember the old tech on newer tech. and it even adds new capabilities. When you send an FM signal it reaches anybody in that area, when you send an internet stream it gets divided by how many people actually are listening into it, so the more people the more upload bandwidth the station would need to keep quality. If the server, internet (both sides) or the upload fails then the stream fails... Right now most of the streams are free since most of the people are actually using the original radio signal to keep the costs of upload negligent, in the future we will have to pay to access the radio AND hear all those commercials (just like it is w/ TV) if we go all digital (I won't care for radio probably by then since I almost don't care for it right now). Sirius has no commercials now, but when everybody is in the same boat they won't care to start putting commercials into them once your contract w/ no commercials expires...

Also the chip already has an FM receiver, the problem comes when adding an antenna to make it function it will most likely 'fudge' reception for all the other ones, which is why SJ probably hasn't include it yet (until someone invents a multi-antenna or something...) since it would function but would make the phone lose it's overall snappiness and quality (just like we waited for a type of backgrounding that would work and not make our phones crap).

I use the TuneIn Radio app at least 5 times a week and works great and I also think that there needs to be a change for classic radio to completely move to a new tech since the internet is not going anywhere. I don't care much for radio stations just the more things I could do if the transmitter was working (two ways) and having that extra radio feature (just like in the iPod Nano-SJ put it in so I guess is not really dead yet...) I also agree that all of this is a ploy for them to get more viewer, if they cared for emergencies just put the E. signal in the strongest signal and we won't even need a full antenna for it work, but they want it all...)
 
Adding an FM antenna would be simple and do nothing whatsoever to the performance of the phone. Apple most likely didn't implement it because Apple doesn't like things it can't control in content, use and cost and they're incredibly paranoid about music theft. Look at how long it took Apple to implement even basic useful bluetooth functionality.

Oh...and Sirius does indeed have commercials, just not every third song like terrestrial FM.
 
Desperate attempt to keep FM radio alive, and it's already been dead for years....

I don't want nor need an FM radio on my iPhone. Terrestrial radio was the biggest reason why I turned to XM satellite radio in 2004 and haven't looked back.

It's unbelievable the amount of commercials and the same songs being played over and over and how much money can those songs make me today attitude that the station managers have is suicide to them and they are blind.

Adding an FM antenna would be simple and do nothing whatsoever to the performance of the phone. Apple most likely didn't implement it because Apple doesn't like things it can't control in content, use and cost and they're incredibly paranoid about music theft. Look at how long it took Apple to implement even basic useful bluetooth functionality.

Oh...and Sirius does indeed have commercials, just not every third song like terrestrial FM.

The only music channels on XM that have commercials are the ones that clear channel runs. There are something like 60 music channels with no commercials. The rest of the channels like the news channels and other talk channels do have commercials.
 
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