For all the street photographers out there...

Discussion in 'Digital Photography' started by Everythingisnt, May 25, 2008.

  1. Everythingisnt macrumors 6502a

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    ha, i saw this earlier. He is very 'interesting', probably has a couple screws loose. i've seen him quite a few times out around downtown nyc.
     
  3. ButtUglyJeff macrumors 6502a

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    I think I got shot by Bruce once, after seeing this piece. If you want to freak him out, just say, "Hey Bruce thanks for the photo." That's what I did...............

    He says he's attached, but I don't think he is really. I think he enjoys the separation. NYC is perfect for him.
     
  4. Lovesong macrumors 65816

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    Interesting...

    Intrusive, invasive, and unapologetic. I wonder what he does in terms of model releases.

    That being said, his pictures are great, and who am I to judge an artist?
     
  5. AxisOfBeagles macrumors 6502

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    Absolutely. He's got that NYC attitude that allows him to be apart, even while in a crowd.

    I admire people who have the ability to truly become invisible, and get the really candid shots. I'm not comfortable enough in photographing strangers to pull it off but rarely. Of course being 6' 4", 230 lbs doesn't help either. :p
     
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    He's a self-serving invasive ******. I've always hated that kind of photography. His photos suck too.
     
  8. genshi macrumors 6502a

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    I was almost offended when I saw the video of how he captures his photos; I would be pissed off if he did that to me! But, I have to disagree with you as his results are brilliant. I guess it's all subjective but, he is a Magnum photographer after all and I wager none of us are (and most likely never will be.)

    And to be honest, artists almost have to be self-serving to do great art. I only wish I had the balls to do what he does... it's [taking those chances] what separates a really good photographer from a great artist, imho.
     
  9. GoCubsGo macrumors Nehalem

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    Angry Santa. ;)

    Admittedly most of the self-serving invasive *******s are great artists. At least from what I've encountered.
     
  10. Over Achiever macrumors 68000

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    Wow really? I wonder if he's been attacked by the people he photographs. Does he even do model releases?
     
  11. M@lew macrumors 68000

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    He probably doesn't use model releases.

    This is how most professional NYC photographers work. They are pretty direct and don't use model releases.
     
  12. termina3 macrumors 65816

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    I don't think I could ever pull that off, but I do like his results.

    I have some friends who'd tackle him if he approached them on the street like that… others would think it was funny.
     
  13. JonD25 macrumors 6502

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    If they're on public property, aren't model release forms unnecessary?
     
  14. seenew macrumors 68000

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    He doesn't need model releases. :\

    I think it's interesting, to say the least.
     
  15. flinch13 macrumors regular

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    I'm not sure how I feel about this type of work, but whenever I'm photographing people without their knowledge I like to do it from far away (300mm minimum). You can get away with closer, but you risk being seen. People generally don't like to have their pictures taken by photographers they don't personally know. I don't blame them.
     
  16. genshi macrumors 6502a

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    The thing is, every top street or reportage photographer I have ever heard or read about, from Cartier-Bresson to Nachtwey, say that to be a true street photographer, you really need to get close to the subject and not hide. It's more honest and more in the moment. That's why many of them carry Leica cameras; not just for the superior quality, but because Rangefinders are so much smaller and inconspicuous so you can get closer to people and "catch them off guard."

    Still, I haven't been able to do this yet and I think my street work suffers from it. The closest I've gotten is with this photo and only because this crazy homeless guy was coming right at me as I was photographing a Chinese New Years Parade, so I just snapped away:

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    Larger version here
     
  17. Artful Dodger macrumors 68020

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    Well, I say he gets away with it because of the type of people he photos and the location. I had photography majors show/tell me about him quite some time ago in school and my opinion is still the same about people like him. First he photos those that don't or really can't balk back at him for one reason or another (crowded sidewalks and keeps moving) so a word comes to mind (predator). Next a fair amount of his work is done by surprise and from the side (angles really) but he conceals his camera while keeping his eyes open for someone "not" knowing it's coming (I seem to see a pattern here). While all this seems to be getting "real" shots of people it also seems to make me believe the only thing different between him and a stalker is his tool of choice and because it's NYC.
    I can't even compare his work to those that work really hard to be creative and take photography to it's next level let alone compare it to being art or related to art. I really believe if you followed him around to "document" his work during his daily routine he would flip because/especially if you made money by photographing him since he is as some say (with reason) in a public space. Hell, he has mentioned it many times to people that he has no ethics and doesn't care so…
    The photos of street photography always make me wonder whether or not people have been asked or not to be photographed but there are plenty of street photographers out there that do ask and produce excellent photos and maybe even a story.
     
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    Man that is far away.:eek: You must have some really long glass to pull that off.:rolleyes::D:cool:
     
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    I keep watching this, and I keep saying the same thing.................

    "You can shoot from a distance, be polite, and get some nice souvineers. Or, you can be a rude SOB, be up close, and get art."

    You can't mimic intimate, with a big stack of glass. Not even the $4000 variety..............
     
  20. ebutka macrumors regular

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    How can you say he is self-serving? And how are you one to judge by saying they suck. What sucks about them? I think they are great. I like them because they are completely normal for the persons sights. He gets the picture and then the subject understands what he is doing. He is capturing them in there space.
     
  21. bbbensen macrumors 6502

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    I dont think that his pictures are that great.

    I would be pretty pissed if someone jumped in front of me and took a picture. Its kinda creepy....
     
  22. ebutka macrumors regular

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    agreeded. but having the balls to do it, I think is part of the art.
     
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    People - you, me, anyone - look a bit dorky when photographed on the street. We're lost in thought; our eyes may be closed; we have bad posture; we're not as graceful or as well-dressed as we like to think we are. If the photographer startles us, and uses a flashgun, we'll look even worse.

    Yes, it take 'balls' to be quite so confrontational. But, really, the message of the pix is pretty constant: ie we're not the gorgeous, airbrushed creatures you see in the magazines... catch us off-guard and we look ridiculous. I can't imagine doing this for a quarter of a century, as Bruce Gilden has done, but, hey, we're all different.

    I shoot landscape and location pix... often with people in them ('cos that's what my clients want: people enjoying themselves in the great outdoors). So I can be quite direct, too, in photographing people. The main difference is that I don't want to make people look ridiculous, and I often chat with people about what I'm doing... and why.

    Most people like the idea, and I feel comfortable with what I'm doing. OK, my pix don't say much about the 'human condition'... but then I'm not sure that Bruce Gilden's pix do either... ;)
     
  24. JonD25 macrumors 6502

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    It's not the first photo of a person without asking that makes you a stalker, but the subsequent hundreds after. This is the most absurd comparison.
     
  25. bluesmap macrumors newbie

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    if this video had never been produced his photography would not be an issue. i bet people would say how great the photos are.
     

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