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I know because I stopped it several times and move some files on my 27" iMac and they were blistering fast! The MB would be fast till it overheated and slow to a crawl. Stop it for a while and let it cool and it would be fast again but not for long. I know an overheated CPU when i see one.

Ah, so you are an expert on the rMB. I didn't know that. :rolleyes:

Interesting how only you seem to have experienced that. I don't suppose you used it for something actual instead of a task like dropbox synching? No?

Also, let's just say it was overheating. I don't suppose this could be a problem on one individual machine rather than a limitation of an entire product line? Could it?

You see my point. You are stating the rMB could not perform a basic task when absolutely no review ran into a problem like that along with many user experiences here. You can see why this data appears suspect to some of us.
 
Ah, so you are an expert on the rMB. I didn't know that. :rolleyes:

Interesting how only you seem to have experienced that. I don't suppose you used it for something actual instead of a task like dropbox synching? No?

Also, let's just say it was overheating. I don't suppose this could be a problem on one individual machine rather than a limitation of an entire product line? Could it?

You see my point. You are stating the rMB could not perform a basic task when absolutely no review ran into a problem like that along with many user experiences here. You can see why this data appears suspect to some of us.

And notice that no one is responding to my real world data about a real world "intense" usage scenario. The rMB is not a rMBP but it is a very capable machine. Getting that much performance out of Core M is actually a real achievement, and future iterations of the rMB may well be, to borrow a word, "amazing."
 
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Ah, so you are an expert on the rMB. I didn't know that. :rolleyes:

Interesting how only you seem to have experienced that. I don't suppose you used it for something actual instead of a task like dropbox synching? No?

Also, let's just say it was overheating. I don't suppose this could be a problem on one individual machine rather than a limitation of an entire product line? Could it?

You see my point. You are stating the rMB could not perform a basic task when absolutely no review ran into a problem like that along with many user experiences here. You can see why this data appears suspect to some of us.

LOL! Boy you are defending what you bought for sure!;)

I am not more of an expert than you are but do recognize throttling!

I have read threads in this forum with people who have had the same experiences as I did.:rolleyes:

To me you data that all is good with the MB is suspect to me.:confused:

Enjoy you MB, it is a nice machine but too much of a sacrifice for "thin". For most it will do just fine, just do not push it.:cool:
 
Nobody said that the rMB is all good. Your assertion that it can't do basic tasks is what I'm contesting. I also note that you reply with an attack rather than data. So I can assume you didn't do anything with your friend other that dropbox synching?

I have other machines also. But this is the MacBook forum so that is what I'm talking about here. And I did much more extensive tasks such as exporting from Lightroom that you are stating. And I did iCloud synching of data with no slowdown (sorry don't use dropbox anymore). And I don't regard lame dropbox synching as "pushing it".
 
The same reason purchasers of the rmb "keep repeating your/their personal purchase justification drivel." 1st amendment, personal opinion etc etc etc etc. You are not that myopic are you? As I believe I've said elsewhere, I actually plan to get one when the price comes down to a realistic level, when there is at least one more port, and when the processor is upgraded. For now, I believe the MBA 11" base is superior, not much heavier, not much bigger (maybe a bit smaller) but doesn't have retina which, at least for me, I can live without. As for touchpad, the current TP and certainly the current KB are just fine. And at $600 less for the base, one can't go wrong.

Oh Ruggles...:rolleyes:

How does any of the above jive with calling the rMB nothing more than an iPad, and telling everyone who values a high resolution screen that they've drunk the "Retina koolaid"?? Nobody is similarly going over to the MBA section of the forums and blindly bashing it, and comparing it unfavorably to the rMB are they?

That is some serious backtracking there, and you've already voiced your opinion freely in literally every thread where you've been able to squeeze in a comparison to the 11" Air, and have been equally freely and consistently met with derision for concluding that the MBA is somehow obviously superior.

Also, what's with the 1st Amendment silliness? You do realise you are on a privately owned and operated forum, with censorship, where privileges can be revoked for breaking the forum rules? And that you are also in an international community quoting the USA's Bill of Rights? You actually can't say (write) whatever you want here.

Unfortunately, the rMB will never, ever be within what you consider your value for money price range according to your personal criteria as you have stated them. It also is rather absurd that you would assert this in the first place. It comes standard with 8GB RAM, and a 256GB SSD in the base model. Not half of both like your MBA. Its processor costs the same as makes no difference. It's screen/panel assembly is much more expensive, especially when calculated at scale, than the antiquated panel on the MBA. It contains numerous other new components which also are more expensive, especially at scale, like the keyboard, battery assembly, and trackpad.

It is easy to keep the price down on a product that uses 5 year old technologies and components and slap the latest processor in it.

I can see a base model with specs like the current rMB go down in price to around $1000 but not for at least 3 more years, just like the MBA if you will recall. You could definitely not get the base 11" Air for $600 in 2011, I can tell you that. And you still can't today, from Apple directly.

You and I have already been through the different pros and cons of each machine - I laid out a pretty objective list for you in another thread - Remember I am a long time 11" MBA owner - and pretty much you choose your priorities, and whatever you value most will make your decision for you.

For me, if I were to get an MBA today, I would get the i7 8GB RAM/512 GB SSD model, because I always get the maxed CTO models. At that point, the price difference is negligable and for my professional use case and needs, the VASTLY superior screen and the portability, every ounce saved, FAR outweigh the minimal real life user experienced speed difference of the processors. At this level, for me, it would be ridiculous to choose the MBA over the rMB. For you, maybe, $899 (Base 11" Air) vs $1299 (Base rMB) can't go wrong with the MBA is true, but for me, it is $1649 (Maxed 11" Air) vs $1749 (Maxed rMB) can't go wrong with the rMB - and is equally true!

How you can sit there with a straight face and suggest that the rMB is just an iPad with a keyboard is well outside the realm of reasonable, and leads me to believe the comment, similar to several others you have made regarding the rMB, was made maliciously with the intention of getting a reaction.
 
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I know because I stopped it several times and move some files on my 27" iMac and they were blistering fast! The MB would be fast till it overheated and slow to a crawl. Stop it for a while and let it cool and it would be fast again but not for long. I know an overheated CPU when i see one.

Nope don't buy it simple as that. Am presently downloading over 30Gb of data to a 1.2 rMB from a Cloud server, CPU is just pushing 40C. I don't use Dropbox as I employ a more secure solution. Downloading files has negligible impact on the CPU, and mine have to decrypted.


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I don't see how you can know what sort of experience you'll get without using it...but to your point, and to my point as well, I bet your 2012 MBA will do exactly what you need for the next 2-3 years. Computers are more or less at the same point in terms of computing power that cameras are at in terms of image quality. Most of us have all the power/IQ we need...there's little reason to upgrade on those fronts. Upgrade decisions are more often going to be made on convenience/creature comfort features (or, in the case of laptop computers, maybe image quality). But even considering display upgrades, your MBA is working for you, and it works for a lot of other people...would a 5K display in some new Apple notebook persuade you to upgrade?

That got kind of long-winded. TLDR: most of really don't need Apple's (or Dell's, or Lenovo's, or...) latest and greatest to do what we do most often, and most of our debate is really a lot of chat about First World problems. :)
You are right in that my current MBA isnstill working great and that I probably don't "need" a new laptop, but for a while, I was tempted by the longer battery life, more ram, storage and the better display.

I have asked myself - if my laptop were to suddenly stop working, which apple laptop would I get? And I look at the current selection of MacBooks and my answer is like "none of them". I can only hope that the MacBook eventually evolves into the laptop I want, because it sure looks as though Apple won't be keeping the MBA around for much longer.
 
LOL! Boy you are defending what you bought for sure!;)

I am not more of an expert than you are but do recognize throttling!

I have read threads in this forum with people who have had the same experiences as I did.:rolleyes:

To me you data that all is good with the MB is suspect to me.:confused:

Enjoy you MB, it is a nice machine but too much of a sacrifice for "thin". For most it will do just fine, just do not push it.:cool:

Enjoy your troll...you have no clue what you are talking about, and you don't even care... ;) :cool:
 
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You are right in that my current MBA isnstill working great and that I probably don't "need" a new laptop, but for a while, I was tempted by the longer battery life, more ram, storage and the better display.

I have asked myself - if my laptop were to suddenly stop working, which apple laptop would I get? And I look at the current selection of MacBooks and my answer is like "none of them". I can only hope that the MacBook eventually evolves into the laptop I want, because it sure looks as though Apple won't be keeping the MBA around for much longer.


In effect, I asked myself the same question and the answer was the rMBP 13", again. It's really personal preference. With all of the things that are (pardon the pun) up in the air (Air?) who knows what the next major redesign of the MBP will bring?
 
So I'll say the rMB has BLOWN away my expectations. I "needed" it to replace a 2010 MBA, that I take to work daily. Need outlook runing non stop with ~100-200 emails a day. M$ Lync, Word (or pages really), and access a ton of company Web apps daily. Does that fine, but I was SHOCKED to see virtual box run an instance of CentOS 7 /w 2GB memory 1 proc with no problem. I took it further, installed JBoss and JBDS (Eclipse + JBoss) and had all that running, with the VM Linux instance, and JUST FINE for basic POC/"hello world" examples for meetings (not "real hardcore development"). Those complaining likely don't know how to use a Mac or a computer in general. Bet if we saw activity monitor we'd see a bunch of crap running the user didn't even know they had/installed but the "gremlins" didn't do it folks!

PS: it also plays Diablo 3 just fine:
 
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In effect, I asked myself the same question and the answer was the rMBP 13", again. It's really personal preference. With all of the things that are (pardon the pun) up in the air (Air?) who knows what the next major redesign of the MBP will bring?

Have to absolutely agree with you on that one. I think we will have a much cleaner and concrete idea of where Apple is going with the laptops in 2016 when they presumably will release a redesigned MBP with Skylake/TB3/USB-C as well as an updated rMB with the same - and learn the ultimate fate of the MBA as a product line. I just can't see it surviving as a current up-to-date product through to Skylake. I imagine the 13" MBA base model sticking around in the vein of the cMBP.

Have a sneaking feeling that the larger iPad pro product will be the answer to the MBA if only in an abstract sense - replacing it as the thinnest and lightest in the over 11" segment (Have a hunch it will support bluetooth mice/trackpads as well as keyboards, support multi-window multitasking, and thus be much better for productivity on a basic work environment level than the iPads now).

With the exception of the rMB, the rest of the 2015 laptop line updates have the heavy fragrance of "stop-gap" smothered all over them.
 
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There are many who know very little about computers and they are drown to the new MB just because of it's size. They have no idea that is lacks to power or cooling ability for intense computing.
Maybe Apple should put a WARNING on the box!

Form factor is way more important and valid reason to buy computer these days than specs.

When every single computer on the market can handle basic everyday tasks easily the only things you should focus are size, weight, design and software it runs.

People who care too much about specs are either professionals on some creative field who need to do a lot of heavy lifting or just stuck in the past when hardware was more important than software and design.
 
Form factor is way more important and valid reason to buy computer these days than specs.

When every single computer on the market can handle basic everyday tasks easily the only things you should focus are size, weight, design and software it runs.

People who care too much about specs are either professionals on some creative field who need to do a lot of heavy lifting or just stuck in the past when hardware was more important than software and design.

Guess I must then be a professional as size has little to do with it for me. Apple is taking thin to the point you lose all of your ports! Like other things this is turning into a pi$$ing match and there is little use in arguing with people who think thin is more important than performance
 
Guess I must then be a professional as size has little to do with it for me. Apple is taking thin to the point you lose all of your ports! Like other things this is turning into a pi$$ing match and there is little use in arguing with people who think thin is more important than performance

Thin and light is more important if it still offers enough performance. In my point of view Core M offers enough performance for 90% of things you can imagine.

I can't possibly think why thin and light wouldn't be a great thing.
 
Needed to repeat yourself, since, once again you have no facts? You still haven't addressed actual performance facts.

I thought I did address the performance facts, they are not good if pushed.

The only facts I have are from my personal observation which is way better that reading the sugar coated stuff here. I tend to trust myself and what I experienced.
 
Guess I must then be a professional as size has little to do with it for me. Apple is taking thin to the point you lose all of your ports! Like other things this is turning into a pi$$ing match and there is little use in arguing with people who think thin is more important than performance

Just getting funnier, need more performance & ports buy a rMBP, or an Air if your not overly concerned about the display. The current Retina MacBook will fit into many "professionals" workflow with ease; I frequently travel internationally and often carry a primary (rMBP) & secondary (rMB) Notebook, I can now choose from 15" or 13" rMBP`s as primary with the 12" MacBook as the backup system, or go solo with any of the former.

Once in country I often attend business meetings away from the field locations the rMB is perfect for such situations, also on the go in the field the 12" is more than adequate. Should the primary rMBP fail the rMB can pick up the load albeit at a slower pace.

Think about this; Next time your filling up your car with gas, use public transport, or even turn on a light, one of these wretched Retina MacBook`s that you despise so much may well have been an integral component of the process of drilling the oil-well, as that`s what I use mine for.

Some professionals don't solely focus on performance, a computer is simply a tool and the best tool is the one that fits the job...

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First, I never said I hated the MB. It is the rabid defenders in this thread who's back is so far up they only can imagine I said I hated the MB.;)

Second, thanks so much for making it possible for me to fill my gas tanko_O

I am done here :cool:
 
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First, I never said I hated the MB. It is the rabid defenders in this thread who's back is so far up they only can imagine I said I hated the MB.;)

Second, thanks so much for making it possible for me to fill my gas tanko_O

I am done here :cool:

That`s maybe for the best, like I said it`s just a tool to me. Understanding a Notebooks compromises is part of the purchasing process. rMB is far from a "powerhouse" equally inferring it`s not capable of downloading from a Cloud server is simply inaccurate.

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I thought I did address the performance facts, they are not good if pushed.

The only facts I have are from my personal observation which is way better that reading the sugar coated stuff here. I tend to trust myself and what I experienced.

You are still not addressing the quantitative facts I presented, which are not sugar coated at all. In a very intensive and lengthy file operation, the rMB runs ~20% behind a 13" rMBP over half an hour. In normal use, 20% of almost nothing is...nothing.
 
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Guess I must then be a professional as size has little to do with it for me. Apple is taking thin to the point you lose all of your ports! Like other things this is turning into a pi$$ing match and there is little use in arguing with people who think thin is more important than performance

What do ports have to do with performance? And what does syncing Dropbox have to do with the CPU/GPU? Can you post your activity monitor and data transfer activity while performing an extended sync? I have not seen any of these slow downs reported except by you.
 
If you need power, fine. Buy 15" rMBP, iMac or Mac Pro.

Basically for people who admire portability and small form factor rMB is perfect device. It's perfectly capable enough to do all light computing tasks and also some slightly heavier tasks like some Photoshop work.

Personally I could do all my work on iPhone or iPad if just the software was capable enough.

I wonder why people who knows for sure that rMB isn't for them rant about it being too slow. Obviously it's too slow for their usage but perfectly capable for many others.

Rant over. :D

Part of the issue is that speaking out about deficiencies (real or perceived) in a device may help to get those shortcomings addressed. I have a 13" MBA that works well for my purposes. Its biggest deficiency, IMO, is the lack of a retina screen. I would be happy with the rMB if it had more ports and a little more power.

Sometimes it's necessary to point out that the emperor is stark naked. Despite your rant, I am not dissuaded. With a few changes, the rMB could be an even more amazing device.
 
I use a 2008 MacBook Pro, the first unibody, and it is currently supported by Yosemite. Seven years of support is pretty good if you ask me.

What would a 7 year old rMB be like tho? A Pro is just an aged machine, powerful to begin with. The rMB is behind to begin with. The rMB V2 may kill it off? Seemingly non replaceable batteries will make for dead 7 year old batteries... not that portable if it needs to be plugged in all the time.

Very much a throw away when its out of warranty and broken in any way device. On purpose? For the price?

Just stuff i would think about. Maybe wrong in every way.
 
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