Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
For someone not as concerned with battery, will Haswell be all that revolutionary?
- Thread starter CultHero
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
It is possible that the normal non retina MBP will simply not be updated and the rest just sold of as refurbs.
If they continue they will still keep their optical disc drives. It is very unlikely that Apple will add an additional redesigned new line of notebooks to the retina models.
Most likely it will just be retina MBP and Airs. Could be though that the cMBP will live on for one more year. Depends on how much they can drop the retina prices and how many customers they think they'd loose if they cannot go down to standard MBP prices with those retinas.
If they continue they will still keep their optical disc drives. It is very unlikely that Apple will add an additional redesigned new line of notebooks to the retina models.
Most likely it will just be retina MBP and Airs. Could be though that the cMBP will live on for one more year. Depends on how much they can drop the retina prices and how many customers they think they'd loose if they cannot go down to standard MBP prices with those retinas.
They might be able to run some 4k monitors, but that doesn't mean they're supported by Apple. From their website, "Dual display and video mirroring: Simultaneously supports full native resolution on the built-in display and up to 2560 by 1600 pixels on up to two external displays, in millions of colours"
Big difference under Haswell is it runs much quieter and much cooler. I just played the Sims 3 for about an hour on my lap, with only a little warmth towards the back left (where the power connecter is) and no fan.
lol if anybody complains about the current rMBP noise level at full fan speed, they don't deserve to have a computer. They're very quiet compared to any windows laptop i've heard.
That's because Apple's current hardware does limit display output capability as discussed in the other thread.
It looks like they are unlocking that capability comes Mavericks, but it remains to be seen whether they will revise the rMBP's specifications. Because I suspect that by the time Mavericks rolls out, Haswell rMBPs would come out as well, and those would obviously bring 4K support in the form of Thunderbolt 2.0.
I have a current rMBP and yes, it's quiet. But the only thing quieter than a new MBA is an iPad - and the iPad runs a lot warmer.
Haswell should bring a 10-15% speed difference but most importantly it will have better battery life and much better integrated graphics. I don't think Apple will ditch the dedicated GPU as the machine switches between the two. I'd expect a price drop if they were to remove the dedicated GPU.
I think that Thunderbolt 2 is partially what is holding up the update. That and OEM's still have not received the entire line of Haswell mobile processors.
I think that Thunderbolt 2 is partially what is holding up the update. That and OEM's still have not received the entire line of Haswell mobile processors.
broadwell rmbp compared to haswell will have:
- touchscreen
- faster usb 3.0
- tb2
- better quality display
- much faster dgpu
- much faster igpu
- much faster cpu (6 cores)
- even better battery life
- siri integrated
- faster ssd
- cheaper
2014 rmbp will be the next "big" upgrade. It's the one to get
- touchscreen
- faster usb 3.0
- tb2
- better quality display
- much faster dgpu
- much faster igpu
- much faster cpu (6 cores)
- even better battery life
- siri integrated
- faster ssd
- cheaper
2014 rmbp will be the next "big" upgrade. It's the one to get
I think with those expectations you'd be in for a disappointment with Broadwell
- touchscreen
very unlikely unless they somehow change the design to make a hybrid and add a lot more touch features to OSX which doesn't seem they have any plans of doing yet.
- faster usb 3.0
probably but not much
- tb2
give you that
- better quality display
hm.
- much faster dgpu
Seems doubtful there will be any at all.
- much faster igpu
40% according to Intel's plans. Not really a game changer.
- much faster cpu (6 cores)
Intel isn't planning on anything past 4 cores on mobil. They only plan on lowering TDPs.
- even better battery life
that will be the big thing for high end notebooks with Broadwell
- siri integrated
just software, we could have that now if they cared to.
- faster ssd
what would be the point
- cheaper
that would be nice.
You should really wait for Skylake there is way less known and you can phantasize way more about it. Skylake will be the one to have. It probably will be extra lightweight because they will attach a hellium filled balloon to the notebook to lower weight. Apple has that idea patented I think. They will pull that one out to fit the theme of the "Sky"lake Intel chips.
- touchscreen
very unlikely unless they somehow change the design to make a hybrid and add a lot more touch features to OSX which doesn't seem they have any plans of doing yet.
- faster usb 3.0
probably but not much
- tb2
give you that
- better quality display
hm.
- much faster dgpu
Seems doubtful there will be any at all.
- much faster igpu
40% according to Intel's plans. Not really a game changer.
- much faster cpu (6 cores)
Intel isn't planning on anything past 4 cores on mobil. They only plan on lowering TDPs.
- even better battery life
that will be the big thing for high end notebooks with Broadwell
- siri integrated
just software, we could have that now if they cared to.
- faster ssd
what would be the point
- cheaper
that would be nice.
You should really wait for Skylake there is way less known and you can phantasize way more about it. Skylake will be the one to have. It probably will be extra lightweight because they will attach a hellium filled balloon to the notebook to lower weight. Apple has that idea patented I think. They will pull that one out to fit the theme of the "Sky"lake Intel chips.
If the broadwell will be 40% better than haswell in iGPU, it will be more faster than 750M. The 650M is about 20% or 30% better than Iris Pro, and 750 is about 10% or 15% better than 650M.
Yes that should be the case. But that is only the plan Intel has not based on engineering samples afaik. Just a number Intel is aiming for. It depends on how well the 14nm process turns out I think.
Could turn out even better if the drivers get even better and they manage some nice optimizations who knows.
By the time that the Broadwells show up 20nm GPUs will be around too and those should bring a healthy boost unlike the 750M which is just a rebrand.
Could turn out even better if the drivers get even better and they manage some nice optimizations who knows.
By the time that the Broadwells show up 20nm GPUs will be around too and those should bring a healthy boost unlike the 750M which is just a rebrand.
CPUs thus far work (more or less) under a 12-month cycle. GPUs are on 18 months. The problem is almost every OEM wants new model parts on every new year, actual product be damned.
In mid-2012, Intel, AMD and Nvidia all rolled out NEW parts based on new process nodes (22nm CPU, 28nm for both GPU vendors).
Early this year, the same OEMs who took in last year's new chip rollouts do not want those chips anymore, they want to sell this year's chips. However, Intel, AMD and Nvidia won't have new products coming online for at least half a year (Q3 minimum for GPUs), so all the "new" stuff in Q1 2013 are all rebranded stuff (more MHz bumps on existing chips, nothing particularly major).
For next year, I don't know. The next true GPU refresh (not rebrand, refresh) could happen between Q3 and Q4 this year, so it's possible to see laptops coming out with Haswell 1.5 (assuming Haswell 2.0 around mid-2014, while Broadwell gets delayed into 2015) and new-GPU models in early 2014. I'd still bet on new-GPU+1 versions to obfuscate and confuse users though.
In mid-2012, Intel, AMD and Nvidia all rolled out NEW parts based on new process nodes (22nm CPU, 28nm for both GPU vendors).
Early this year, the same OEMs who took in last year's new chip rollouts do not want those chips anymore, they want to sell this year's chips. However, Intel, AMD and Nvidia won't have new products coming online for at least half a year (Q3 minimum for GPUs), so all the "new" stuff in Q1 2013 are all rebranded stuff (more MHz bumps on existing chips, nothing particularly major).
For next year, I don't know. The next true GPU refresh (not rebrand, refresh) could happen between Q3 and Q4 this year, so it's possible to see laptops coming out with Haswell 1.5 (assuming Haswell 2.0 around mid-2014, while Broadwell gets delayed into 2015) and new-GPU models in early 2014. I'd still bet on new-GPU+1 versions to obfuscate and confuse users though.