For sure! I personally hope for an updated Valve Index that they sell in Switzerland. This Apple device seems incredibly cool but just a tech showcase.
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For the doubters/haters, is it that the Vision Pro device falls short or that you doubt the concept of Augmented reality as a whole?
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It is indeed a tech showcase, but I think it has the potential to grow into much more. Time will tell!
I’d maybe wait a generation or two but if it can replace my monitor for work then I’m sold.
Like, comfortably sold.
Like, comfortably sold.
roadtovr has the title reflecting my thoughts exactly:
Apple Vision Pro isn’t for Gaming, But it Does Everything Else Better
exactly. If it seamlessly gives my MacBook Pro 2 huge OLED displays, plus turns sitting on a train or plane into going to the movie theater, that's already a win at $3500 since even just 2 high quality monitors easily cost that much. To me, everything else, the actual AR features, the future of computing, etc. is a bonus curiosity at this point, the selling point of a high end headset is making final cut or large spreadsheets easier to work with on the go. It's improving my posture by having the display right where I need it all times. It's making my TV and movie viewing experince better than ever when I have time to unwind. Do all that and I'm already in
Delusional is a harsh word. People have every right to be skeptical of a product like this. And not everyone is interested in the "future of computing" until it becomes actually truly useful.
I sit in front of my monitors all day and much of the night. I'm having a hard time seeing how it would be more comfortable to strap a headset to my face for 10 hours a day. You don't see that as a problem?
Not to mention that based on pixel counts alone the Vision Pro cannot simulate the actual pixel density of a 4k monitor.
Not at all. I can't imagine anything more uncomfortable than my monitors. If I move 6 inches, they're too close or too far a way. Too high or too low. They take up all the space on my desk even when I want to be doing paperwork. Multimonitor setups are amazing, but also take up way too much space and are inflexible. Meanwhile most activities I do outside of the office require wearing larger and heaver headgear than this headset, so I really don't expect to even notice I'm wearing it.
That's where we disagree, making my coach seat into an IMAX theater and my hotel chair into a multi monitor desktop is already super useful. I don't need anything else to justify the purchase. This is the first headset that works with Mac and has display quality that might be good enough to be truly useful.
Thinking a VR headset is going to be more comfortable than sitting in front of a monitor is way outside of the mainstream opinion. You have to be willing to learn about and acknowledge the potential issues with this tech.
I don't see how this is at all responsive to my point that people are not "delusional" for being skeptical of Apple's first AR product. Everyone can see that you're all in, but that doesn't mean everyone other than you is crazy.
I can only speak to how I see myself using it, but the ‘vision’ I have isn’t to wear it for the entire working day.
I use a 49inch monitor for my work running off a 13-inch M1 MacBook Pro. Even though the huge monitor is useful most of the time, I’ll still often unplug and go down to the kitchen and use the MacBook on its own.
That’s how I see myself using the Vision. During a ‘powered’ working session where I’m on calls watching a shared screen while also designing my own diagram or reviewing something else, I could use the Vision and position all the windows in a productive way. Get the job done.
When it becomes too much, I would take it off and use a smaller monitor or just the MacBook.
I wear glasses, headphones, hats, helmets, goggles, etc. all the time. For hours on end. Not at all concerned with putting on a headset for 1-2 hours at most between breaks. Meanwhile, if I sit at my desk, I find myself contorting, huncing, squinting, twistingm and worst of all hurting in no time because no matter how hard I try, there's no setup that puts the desktop, monitors, input devices, etc. all in the perfect positon for every workflow or use case. But with a headset, I can postion my chair and input devices ergonomically, have unrestricted access to my desktop, and have monitor placement with effortless infinite adjustment. With a pinch and a swipe I can expand or bring something closer to my eyes, rather than moving my eyes closer to it. It's a game changer.
It's a response to your "until it becomes actually truly useful" line. I would argue not seeing how replacing half a dozen displays that are never the size or place you really want them is useful is pretty delusional. Is the VisionPro the device to do that? Maybe, but even if so, it will do so far from optimally. I'm not all in on VisionOS or VisionPro. I'm all in on wanting headphones but for sight. Something that's better and eaiser to use than speakers or hiring a band to hear music, and so simple and easy to transport and use on the go too. headphones have all but killed most other ways of listening to personal Audio. Very few people I know have a stereo setup or speakers other than those built into their TV (and half the time we use headphones to stream audio from the TV so they can watch on the big screen with high volume and not disturb family, friends, neighbors or housemates). My point again is that it's perfectly reasonable to think the VisionPro is more Newton than iPhone. Honestly, that's where I am on it. It seems to be a super compromised device that will be mocked and largely flop because it's too expensive, too big, uses too much power, can't actually do video conferencing, won't actually replace existing devices, won;t have great software, won't be bug free, etc. But I don't understand How I share the world with people who haven't thought "I wish I could take this screen with me and put it exactly where I want it" or "I wish I could lean back and enjoy this movie in a theater like experience even though it came out before I was born." It's been so clear ever since I saw a 2D display, that putting it into my glasses or contacts, making it infinitely flexible, infinitely large, and infinitely transportable was the goal, and everything else along the way was just a stop gap.
I’d just walk back to my desk if I needed a lot of screen space. That’s why I have it!
The vision pro travel use case is a bit more interesting as it’s obviously impractical to carry screens around. I hope the headset folds up well and has a space saving carrying case.
You missed my point though mate.
I was just making saying that you would necessarily use a device like this for the entire working day, much like you wouldn’t use your desk/ultrawide monitor all day.
Well, there's some dreaming on this thread of not needing any monitors at all and just working in a virtual space all day, which is what I was responding to. Using the headset for an hour or two away from your desk is much more realistic ... although i feel like a physical space to set up in with a keyboard and mouse will still be necessary for most work.
Yes it’s difficult to know without using it but I would imagine the virtual or augmented space would be difficult all day.
Since I use a MacBook I could see a Vision/MacBook combo though. Use the MacBook screen for a break and for power working boot up the vision, but still physically use the MacBook. A monitor would have its place too no doubt.
Everyone remember this comment and come back to this in 4 years. This product, the first apple product that has gotten people THIS excited since the original iphone, is DOA. There’s no market for it
Lol no one is excited about this. The first iPhone was like $500? This is more expensive than a used car. Bad analog.
I don't believe there are that many rich apple fans to make the vision pro a success. Most are on a carrier contact to be able to afford their iPhone. Apple knows this that's why they named this the " pro" version so they could blame low sales cause it's for developers, not normal consumers.