Do you have some evidence of this? I seem to remember just a couple of years ago that their laptops were outselling desktop Macs, quite handily?
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Forget the Incremental 16" MacBook Pro... 17" More Likely
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Macs in general are selling less, as are laptops in general.
Average user is becoming fine with a tablet.
Great, but that's not really relevant to the concept of whether people who buy a Mac, buy a laptop or a desktop.
Compared to desktops? I find that hard to believe.
Again, not really relevant.
Plenty of OEM's offer 17" notebooks so there's clearly a market for them. Apple's issue was being too expensive for what the notebook offered and too greedy to reduce the margin.
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Many of those 17 inch Windows Laptops are essentially small desktops with far more performance potential in the 2019 MacBook Pros.
Apple would not be able to get bragging rights with a lock-in approach.
These 17 inch laptops:
- Typically offer up to 128 GB which is user-installable
- Space for 3-4 SSDs, again, user-installable
- Ports, new, old, boring and too thick for current MacBook Pros
- A large choice of graphics cards, again, user-installable
If we are venturing into wishlists I'd like a 14" 4k display, bezeless, 8 core CPU and 32GB RAM please.
.... I fear I may be waitiing.....
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You made a thread with a title that will draw the attention of folks interested in 17" over those who aren't - i.e. you have a biased sample
.... I fear I may be waitiing.....
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You made a thread with a title that will draw the attention of folks interested in 17" over those who aren't - i.e. you have a biased sample
True I use two 17" notebooks and even if Apple had a 17" option I wouldn't consider as it would likely not do the job being far too inflexible and locked down. This exactly why I have a very low expectation of the rumoured 16" as it will very likely just be a larger display, little else and Apple will just look to hike the price ever more...
Unless one is locked into the OS there's very little reason to use a Mac these days outside of enjoying the aesthetic which is fair enough.
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I've thought about using a Mac Mini as a 17 inch portable before. No battery of course but it would be macOS. I'm just going to keep using my 2014 and 2015 MacBook Pros unless they come out with something decent. I keep my eyes open for another 2015 with maxed specs at a reasonable price.
Ceased using Mac's professionally in 2016 as I need a portable solutions and Apple doesn't offer anything remotely sensible. There's always the hope that Apple will do something different, however those days seem long gone.
All Apple's notebooks are consumer products that are excessively restricted, making them a poor choice for many professional roles. Said for a while good luck selling those $3K "Pro" notebooks with hardly any professionals on the platform. New Mac Pro offers some hope, that said mostly I think we'll be just in for more of the same rubbish.
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17" is honestly just too niche, 14" is likely and would be most demand or 16"..... I had 15 and went to 13, so glad I did.. wish it was a tad larger.. but hate the bulk.... the truth is, in today's society most people are mobile including air travel.....
My current primary 17" weighs in at sub 3Kg, has full port selection, duel drives and used globally. Apple proports the MBP to be a professional level notebook however the driving focus is just making it a thinner prettier consumer product mostly for bragging rights, at the cost of performance, usability and reliability.
Apple simply abuses it's position and outright gouges it's customers on pricing, worse still upgrades that it's engineered to be near mandatory. Said before Apple isn't worthy of my custom with such antics, nor do I believe that this was the core model of the company until greed took over...
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I'd love one that made sense, but we both know that won't remotely happen. It would just be the same dull, boring, unimaginative formula with weak GPU, port constrained and if we're really lucky it will thermally throttle right done to base frequency...
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Oh I never said it would happen - trust me - right in lockstep with your thoughts on this topic.
Apple is obvious to those who have their eyes open. Apple opts to subject it's customers to garbage like the Butterfly Keyboard's as it was the easier option versus advancing a redesign. Not remotely being concerned with the issues and inconvenience it brought to those affected by this shabby design and lack of due diligence.
Apple has adequately proved that it's all too happy to sell substandard products at premium price points over and over. Avoiding responsibility until facing court action that it knows it's not in a position to win. The ecological spin another joke, deliberately designing landfill, simply wasteful.
So if Apple wants my personal, professional and business related custom it better do something that's absolutely ****ing spectacular and be prepared to stand by the product from day one, not when a judge is about to drop the hammer...
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Apple laptops are 16:10, which makes the screen area bigger than 16:9 of the same diagonal. I have been using a Dell 13” for work. The screen feels very cramped compared to a 13” MBP. A 16” MBP won’t be losing out to the 17” 16:9 alternatives, only to a potential 17” MBP. Apple said they weren’t selling enough 17” so I doubt we’ll see it return. Rumours point to the new model being 16.4”, so it won’t be too far off 17” anyway.
Nicely done... given the population here, and the convenience sample, there is definitely bias.
Clearly you live in an alternate reality. Laptops dominate every corner of the computer market, and tablets are barely a blip on the radar. This is easily confirmed looking at any report on the subject, from virtually any analyst or computer vendor.
it's relevant because Mac market is in decline, because computing habits changed. Investing in a 17" expensive behemoth that most customer likely would skip (since even the original 17" didn't sell as well as 15") is unlikely.
16", same form factor as 15", without default scaling as it is now.
Personal computing device shipments by segment 2025| Statista
In 2025, notebook PC unit shipments are expected to amount to ****** million, while detachable tablet shipments are set to reach ***** million.
www.statista.com
But then again The Professor have his own dream ...
Maybe apple should already introduce new section where people can really pick and build what they prefer to buy.
Maybe apple should already introduce new section where people can really pick and build what they prefer to buy.