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Siu Kei Kwan the ringleader was a certified public accountant and his position at Apple was Senior Director of Industrial Design, these were not "poor impoverished" retail employees.

He's a Chinese national and Chinese nationals are not brought into the United States on work visas to work retail jobs.
i am interested in finding any link to a main stream media source that identifies him(or any of them) as Chinese nationals. all the stories i have found simply refer to them as residents of the local cities they live in. but i cant see any article in Chinese or English that mentioned they (he) are Chinese nationals.
can you pls provide a source? thanks.
 
Siu Kei Kwan the ringleader was a certified public accountant and his position at Apple was Senior Director of Industrial Design, these were not "poor impoverished" retail employees.

He's a Chinese national and Chinese nationals are not brought into the United States on work visas to work retail jobs.
Very unlikely that this person is a Chinese national even if he was here on a work visa. The spelling of his name doesn’t use Pinyin but Wade-Giles, which isn’t used on the mainland.
 
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Good to see that the offenders have been caught. Don't think they can escape now.
 
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Former Apple employees...

So why say it?
They dont work there now.
The fraud didnt happen as part of their work for Apple.

You are linking a previous employment status to something not related.

Causation and Correlation...
 
Imagine thinking you’re gonna get away with defrauding the multi-trillion dollar corporation, Apple. LMAO.
I’m waiting for the “I don’t understand how so many can be on the side of a multi-trillion dollar corporation about this!” :)
 
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$150k split 6 ways over ~3 years, that's like $8k a year for a really dodgy scam. When Apple salaries seem to be $100-$200k, why would they even bother?
yeah no, when Apple hires they low ball you significantly for the most part. In order to make that amount of money, you need to be working in the company a long time...

However less they were making, it doesnt condone stealing.
 
I can't fathom why people who are working in well-remunerated professions decide that the money still isn't enough for them, they want more. So they have to do something messed-up like this.
That’s human nature. Most people want “more”. Wanting more is what drives human advancement, albeit not always illegally.
 
That’s human nature. Most people want “more”.
Poverty exists not because we cannot feed the poor, but because we cannot satisfy the rich.
I don't know who said it first, but I believe this.💯

Wanting more is what drives human advancement, albeit not always illegally.
Necessity drives human advancement. Wanting more just for the sake of having more is a cancerous trait.
 
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Siu Kei Kwan the ringleader was a certified public accountant and his position at Apple was Senior Director of Industrial Design, these were not "poor impoverished" retail employees.

He's a Chinese national and Chinese nationals are not brought into the United States on work visas to work retail jobs.
He was both a CPA and held fairly high office in Apple’s near-mythic design department? Either this guy was one of those savants who just casually achieve for fun what others do for a career, or—as a cursory web search suggests—you mixed up his job title at Apple.
 
Apple is also notoriously sketchy for donation matching themselves. For example, they match donations to organizations that build illegal settlements in occupied territories as well as military gear and munitions.
 
They haven’t gotten anything yet though.

Maybe they got fired, but (if so) that wasn’t directly stated in the article or the press release. (Only mentioned is that they are “former Apple employees”.)
They already got plenty of what they deserved already. Fired or quit knowing they would be fired when caught, charged with felonies, unemployable in tech or retail, paying lots of money to lawyers, most likely a criminal record, loss of banking access, credit report destruction. Need I go on?

A conviction will just be icing on the cake even it is only misdemeanors instead of a felony.

I don't think it matters if they were fired or quit. They are screwed anyway you frame it.
 
They already got plenty of what they deserved already. Fired or quit knowing they would be fired when caught, charged with felonies, unemployable in tech or retail, paying lots of money to lawyers, most likely a criminal record, loss of banking access, credit report destruction. Need I go on?

A conviction will just be icing on the cake even it is only misdemeanors instead of a felony.

I don't think it matters if they were fired or quit. They are screwed anyway you frame it.
History in US would show that not even convictions can stop you from getting what you want and having people give you are second go.

Makes me wonder what you would actually have to do for people to finally go "enough already"...
 
Apple is also notoriously sketchy for donation matching themselves. For example, they match donations to organizations that build illegal settlements in occupied territories as well as military gear and munitions.
I don't think Apple investigate to see what these charities do or if they're legit. They just match employee contributions [for tax purposes, of course]. If they had, they would have caught these crooks earlier.
 
They already got plenty of what they deserved already. Fired or quit knowing they would be fired when caught, charged with felonies, unemployable in tech or retail, paying lots of money to lawyers, most likely a criminal record, loss of banking access, credit report destruction. Need I go on?

A conviction will just be icing on the cake even it is only misdemeanors instead of a felony.

I don't think it matters if they were fired or quit. They are screwed anyway you frame it.
I mean… if. If they are guilty of the things they are accused of.

I know nobody wants to hear this, but: They haven’t been found guilty of anything. There is a process for determining guilt and that process hasn’t concluded yet.

I know people generally believe what the government says unquestioningly (even those people whom typically express anti-government sentiments). MacRumors didn’t even do the bare minimum of including the single word of “allegedly”. But nothing has been proven yet.

It’s possible that none of them will be found guilty guilty. Or it’s possible that all of them will be found guilty. Or it’s possible that some of them will be found guilty and others will be found not guilty.
 
I mean… if. If they are guilty of the things they are accused of.

I know nobody wants to hear this, but: They haven’t been found guilty of anything. There is a process for determining guilt and that process hasn’t concluded yet.

I know people generally believe what the government says unquestioningly (even those people whom typically express anti-government sentiments). MacRumors didn’t even do the bare minimum of including the single word of “allegedly”. But nothing has been proven yet.

It’s possible that none of them will be found guilty guilty. Or it’s possible that all of them will be found guilty. Or it’s possible that some of them will be found guilty and others will be found not guilty.
We are not really in disagreement, but you know being found guilty in the court of public opinion doesn't rely on being found guilty in legal court.
 
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I know nobody wants to hear this, but: They haven’t been found guilty of anything. There is a process for determining guilt and that process hasn’t concluded yet.
guilty.jpg

At first I laughed too much at this ad. But then the realization dawned on me that this is true due to the way the system is set up. The jury can only decide guilt or not based solely upon what is presented in court. If the prosecution fails to bring enough or the proper evidence to bear, the accused walks a free man whether culpable or not. ie OJ "If the glove don't fit, you must acquit"
 
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I can't fathom why people who are working in well-remunerated professions decide that the money still isn't enough for them, they want more. So they have to do something messed-up like this.

I'm pretty sure that for some, it's simply the money. For others... well, the reasons may never make any sense to those of us who actually work for a living. Take this one California VP who committed the barcode scam about a decade ago, as an example. Pertinent quote from the article:

... Officers found hundreds of unopened LEGO sets — many special edition items — at his gated, multimillion-dollar home, according to court papers. ...

Dude was already more wealthy than I will ever be, and yet it still wasn't enough for him. 😵
 
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