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Don't make me laugh with Palm Treo. It was cool back then but it's no smart phone. Palm couldn't even figured out how to put antenna inside the phone, let alone GPS.
Apple made the smartphone a lot better, 10 folds. They didn't invent smartphone but set the standard for what it should be.
Show me a device prior to iPhone when you put a phone next to your ear screen turns off. Now every smart phone has this...
Antenna location & GPS is what makes a phone smart?

I had a Treo. Bought an app. When I was on a call, the screen turned off.
 
Oh come on. Before the iPhone was even conceived, I had many smart phones with touch screens, apps, storage, etc. In fact, when I listened to this first Apple smartphone presentation, I was actually underwhelmed - the first iPhone could NOT run any 3rd party apps, no customization at all and had no 3G, three things that were REALLY important at the time.

I think I had an HTC Tilt (or Tilt 2) at the time of the iPhone 1 anouncement, and it had a FULLY CUSTOMIZABLE, Microsoft OS, a touch screen, 3G, could run 3rd party apps purchased from various vendors, a replaceable battery, file system and Micro-sd storage (not 100% sure about the latter). The iPhone to me seemed pretty old school at the time. What it DID have was a wonderful MULTI-TOUCH screen which no one had. That was the only thing revolutionary about the otherwise ho-hum iPhone 1. Now the iPhone 3G is where it got interesting and is what sold me initially to the iPhone, although the initial OS on the iPhone 3G crashed like crazy and bricked a LOT of phones for the first month or so. After that it was fine, though.

I bought the tilt as well after the iPhone came out, the guy at AT&T convinced me it was better because of those things you mentioned, plus it had GPS, higher megapixel camera, and upgradable memory. Apps wasn't really important back then (to me at least, I do miss drug wars). But it sucked at doing all those things, the camera would stutter just pointing it into a shadow, battery would fall out from a small drop. So many menus to go through just to get to texting, and texts were in that list format(here is a message from bob, he replied "ok" I forgot what I texted him, go back then go to sent messages, find his name... I took it back in a week and got an iPhone. Everything was silky smooth, didn't need a stylus just to scroll a list. It was never about what it could do but how it did it.

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But when you give a demo, you generally do call out specific items that aren't complete, right? To hard code signal strength as a static 5 bars not only won't show that the radio would crash, but that the phone would have superior signal strength.

I'm not saying it's not logical - I am just trying to point out that all companies lie about something, and those that believe Apple is above lying when it makes sense to them are just plain wrong.

They didn't say that it didn't have five bars right there on stage, they only hard coded it so that it would show if the radio rebooted. Other than that, the rest of the demo worked. It had to be in a specific order, but it did it in that order, so that isn't really lying. He didn't say the phone only works in this order, so I guess it's a lie of omission.
 
An Android manufacturer deceives people - Macrumors goes crazy
Apple deceives people - Macrumors hails it as a stroke of genius

Oh Macrumors... this is why the internet hates you :rolleyes:
 
An Android manufacturer deceives people - Macrumors goes crazy
Apple deceives people - Macrumors hails it as a stroke of genius

Oh Macrumors... this is why the internet hates you :rolleyes:

How as Apple deceiving? They showed how the product would work in normal use, and it did work like that. This in contrast to the Asian cellphone makers that influence tests in such a way as to show performance data that will not be achieved in normal use.

It's exactly the opposite.

As someone else already pointed out earlier. This is how all companies presenting new products do their introductions. If done well, these are tightly scripted events to circumvent still existing prototype issues that will be resolved at a later time. Nothing wrong with that, even if Samsung would do it (and the most likely do).
 
Show me a device prior to iPhone when you put a phone next to your ear screen turns off. Now every smart phone has this...

Like almost everything else they used, Apple didn't invent the face sensor.

In fact, Motorola had a patent on it dating back to 1999. The "sensor disables the touch sensitive input device from generating the input signal when the portable communication device is positioned in close proximity to a user and, thereby, preventing inadvertent actuations while the user holds the portable communication device against his or her head to facilitate communication."

However, a touchscreen disabling proximity sensor was such an obvious idea, that the ITC denied an attempt to ban iPhone imports for violating Motorola's patent on it.

"Monday's decision focused on (Motorola) Patent No. 6,246,862, "Sensor controlled user interface for portable communication device." It covers the concept of using a proximity sensor to automatically disable a device's touchscreen.

This technique is used by the iPhone and other modern smart phones to avoid accidental input when the user puts the phone to his or her face to make a phone call.

The ITC concluded that the concept was too obvious to merit patent protection."

- ArsTechnica April 2013

Another sensor idea that Apple was not first at, was for screen orientation. Not only did some digital cameras have that, but there was an all-touchscreen phone back in 2003 that featured it (along with scrolling by tilting the phone, an idea that was reinvented later by Android makers).

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It's definitely a gray area to me. Presenting a demo that represents a flawlessly working product when in fact that flawlessness is staged and the product cannot operate like that currently does ring ofdeceipt to me, whether it's common practice or not. If Apple wa upfront and just say "this is a protype" and not working excatly correctly but will with the final product, that would be more truthful. I' not sure if the final product actually operated exactly like the demo, but if it did I guess then it was OK. But still...

First day on Planet Earth?
 
I'm impressed. Everything looked so spontanteous in the original presentation when he selected the music, and casually made that phone call. He really was amazing.
 
That was a great read. I pictured myself as one of those engineers and could almost feel the stress. Now I have a much better appreciation of what it took to build this phone.

Bit OT. How much leak was there prior to the official announcement of the original iPhone in 2007? Was it really a huge surprise to the world when Steve Jobs took the stage to announce it?

I was happily using a Motorola Razr for like 4 years when it was announced :p It wasn't until I bought the 3GS that I started keeping up with Apple news.
 
Bit OT. How much leak was there prior to the official announcement of the original iPhone in 2007? Was it really a huge surprise to the world when Steve Jobs took the stage to announce it?

The fact that Apple was making something called the "iPhone" was not a surprise. Nor even that it was being made by Foxconn.

According to the Commercial Times, Taiwan's Hon Hai has received a 12 million unit contract for the rumored iPhone. According to the site, the product would be released in the first half of next year, which currently echos other reports.

- MacRumors Nov 15, 2006

Hon Hai, aka Foxconn Electronics, won't comment or confirm, but the cat seems to really be out of the bag now. This latest batch of iPhone reports feels like less of a rumor than previous iterations. According to this Forbes article, Hon Hai has "secured contracts from Apple Computer for 12 million mobile handsets that also function as music players, the Commercial Times quoted industry sources as saying." Yes, that's 12 million. Also, that "Apple will launch the mobile handsets in the first half of next year."

- TUAW Nov 15, 2006

It was reported earlier that Steve Jobs, the head of Apple, was so excited about Apple’s iPhone that he has produced several “zealous ramblings amongst personal acquaintances” since spring. It was also claimed that “incremental buzz surrounding the phone” has increased recently and that the long-discussed phone would be released “earlier than some people may be expecting”.

- Xbit Labs Nov 15, 2006

The only thing they got wrong was the 12 million units. Actual sales of the first model were about half that. Perhaps they didn't sell as well as Apple had hoped. (Sales didn't really take off until the next model, which had both 3G and subsidies.)

Nor did many expect a touchscreen phone. A lot of fan concepts revolved around the same thing that Jobs originally wanted to do: an iPod based phone with a clickwheel.

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However, some 2006 fan concepts came pretty close:

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The software, too, was full of bugs, leading the team to set up multiple iPhones to overcome memory issues and restarts. Because of the phone's penchant for crashing, it was programmed to display a full five-bar connection at all times.


This is worse than Samsung cheating on numbers:rolleyes:
 
Probably the same.

When the iPhone originally launched, it wasn't hard to get the phone imported into other countries for which it was not designed to operate in. Me and several friends all bought our units from the 'States (originally AT&T phones, carrier locked!), jailbroke them with that tool the iPhone-dev guys released (the one with the pineapple) and unlocked the baseband with that swanky application that literally said "slide to unlock". Good times.

Anyways, if you could get the hardware, it wasn't hard to bend it to your will. The original units were surprisingly lax at security and modifications in general. Back then almost everyone I knew was jailbreaking and/or unlocking. It was just a way of life if you wanted an iPhone, especially in Canada.

-SC

Didn't Android really get a foothold at Verizon because they needed something to compete with iPhone?
 
Was Symbian an SMARTPHONE OS? Meaning true smartphones with touch screens and 3rd party app availability. I don;t know that answer, but if not that is not what I'm talking about. If so, then you are 100% right about that OS. But there were OTHER OSs that this did not apply to that were options, like Microsoft mobile. The point being that bloatware didn't alays affect phones that significantly even pre-iPhone, and some apps were really beneficially espcially since 3rd party apps were obviously a lot fewer at the time.

Maybe you should read about Symbian before making ill informed comments about it. In fact, Symbian was the leading mobile OS, with 66% of the market in 2006, until iOS (yes, even ahead of Windows Mobile) came along.

Most Symbian devices (which are still developed) were not touch based devices, but they were still smartphones. There was a wide variety of apps available on the OS and the OS supported many different technologies, including Java. Hell, the web browser was based on WebKit, which we all know Safari is based on.

Even so, just like all of the phones sold by carriers in pre-iPhone, bloatware and carrier control (e.g. branding) was common. I only had one Windows Mobile based device (which was a piece of garbage and I promptly got rid of it within a week), but as I recall, there was significant AT&T branding on that thing... maybe not bloatware, but branding galore and "features" that you couldn't get rid of.
 
It's definitely a gray area to me. Presenting a demo that represents a flawlessly working product when in fact that flawlessness is staged and the product cannot operate like that currently does ring ofdeceipt to me, whether it's common practice or not. If Apple wa upfront and just say "this is a protype" and not working excatly correctly but will with the final product, that would be more truthful. I' not sure if the final product actually operated exactly like the demo, but if it did I guess then it was OK. But still...

First day on Planet Earth?

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Sorry about that - - I didn't think anyone could possibly have been that naive about the staging that goes on behind almost all promotion and advertising in the modern world. I really thought you were writing an extended sarcastic reply as humor, so I added my own off the cuff comment to continue the joke. Now after finally realizing you were actually being serious, I extend both a full apology and my sincerest condolences.
 
Why cheat on benchmarks when you can just lie about signal strength? Glass houses, people, glass houses...

You don't see the difference between a little smoke and mirrors at a product demo, to demonstrate the features and behaviors that will actually be in the shipping product, versus a hack that inflates performances numbers of products that are actually shipped and in customer's hands?

Really?
 
so - it could have easily been a richard simmon's exploding steamer situations...

amazing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yovjtw8KxLs

According to Wikipedia, that was a prank Letterman played on Simmons, with a firecracker (or something like that) hidden on the tablet.

Simmons apparently took it in good fun though – if they had done something in that vein to Steve Jobs demoing a product, there probably would have been an eternal iTunes store ban on everything CBS. :)
 
You don't see the difference between a little smoke and mirrors at a product demo, to demonstrate the features and behaviors that will actually be in the shipping product, versus a hack that inflates performances numbers of products that are actually shipped and in customer's hands?

You're right, demos are different from production claims.

Unfortunately, Apple DID inflate signal performance numbers in later shipped products, as they admitted during AntennaGate.

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You're right, demos are different from production claims.

Unfortunately, Apple DID inflate signal performance numbers in later shipped products, as they admitted during AntennaGate.

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I remember that, although I'm not sure I'm convinced that it was a malicious and purposeful deceit. There's some algorithm that is averaging the signal strength over a given interval of time and mapping that to a bar scale, and that algorithm needed to be changed. It's not as if someone found a piece of purposeful piece programming that basically told the phone "cheat on the signal strength." If I recall correctly, it was Apple who revealed that information, not an outside source.

I just don't think that that situation is comparable to a piece of coding that says "when you detect this benchmarking app running, overclock the processor." That seems like pretty cut and dry deception. Just not sure the "Antennagate" example rises to that level, at least in my opinion.
 
I remember that, although I'm not sure I'm convinced that it was a malicious and purposeful deceit.

None of these things are "malicious". Purposeful, yes.

Having worked on handheld signal strength display algorithms myself, and studied those of other companies, I can tell you without a doubt that the Apple version was deliberately designed to show more bars than it should. Heck, even a non-engineer should be able to look at the chart and see that it had no dB linearity.

The only question is the same as with the Samsung benchmark code -- which is, was the code something that a (few) developer(s) did on their own, or was it mandated from much higher up?

From experience, I tend to think it's the lower levels that come up with this stuff on their own.

PS. Here's a text chart I made of the bar levels for the iPhone 4, the updated levels for the iPhone 4, and then the levels for a Blackberry.

Code:
         -110      -100       -90       -80    dBm
      |----|----|----|----|----|----|----|-----|

iOS4    1.....2...3.4.........5.................
iOS4x 1.......2........3..........4...........5.
BB      0......1......2......3.....4.........5..
Note that even the "improved" iPhone 4x algorithm shows more bars than a BB does up until around 4 bars.

(Bear in mind that each 3dB loss is a halving of the signal level.)
 
None of these things are "malicious". Purposeful, yes.

Having worked on handheld signal strength display algorithms myself, and studied those of other companies, I can tell you without a doubt that the Apple version was deliberately designed to show more bars than it should. Heck, even a non-engineer should be able to look at the chart and see that it had no dB linearity.

The only question is the same as with the Samsung benchmark code -- which is, was the code something that a (few) developer(s) did on their own, or was it mandated from much higher up?

From experience, I tend to think it's the lower levels that come up with this stuff on their own.

PS. Here's a text chart I made of the bar levels for the iPhone 4, the updated levels for the iPhone 4, and then the levels for a Blackberry.

Code:
         -110      -100       -90       -80    dBm
      |----|----|----|----|----|----|----|-----|

iOS4    1.....2...3.4.........5.................
iOS4x 1.......2........3..........4...........5.
BB      0......1......2......3.....4.........5..
Note that even the "improved" iPhone 4x algorithm shows more bars than a BB does up until around 4 bars.

(Bear in mind that each 3dB loss is a halving of the signal level.)

Out of curiosity, would an iPhone be able to make and hold a call at -110dB? I remember several years back when Howard Forums was the hot spot for all things cell related and there were not many phones that would work in this range. At that time, Motorola was one of the best for RF performance.
 
why the terror? the iphone was randomly dropping calls into its third generation of product. i used to laugh at my mom on t-mobile dropping calls until i started to use the iphone

Damn! Your mom is a hipster!!!!!!!!!!

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Same here.

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Thanks for posting this! Very interesting to go back to read the past rumors and speculation. So Steve Jobs and gang was able to keep the form factor completely secret until actual announcement.

I scanned through some of that old thread. Funny that some pointed out that Apple wouldn't release a phone with a touchscreen keyboard, and that only physical keys will work. I'll shamefully admit that I went and bought a Blackberry Storm in 2009 :eek: Because without even having tried the touchscreen on the iPhone, I just assumed that it would be a nightmare to type on as far as typing accuracy goes. I thought that clicky screen on the BB Storm wouldn't have that problem. At this point I still had almost no idea what the iPhone was about. It wasn't until one day I tried to use the browser on the Storm to look up some information that I realized how useless that browser was. As soon as the iPhone 3GS came out I dumped the Storm.

The fact that Apple was making something called the "iPhone" was not a surprise. Nor even that it was being made by Foxconn.

The only thing they got wrong was the 12 million units. Actual sales of the first model were about half that. Perhaps they didn't sell as well as Apple had hoped. (Sales didn't really take off until the next model, which had both 3G and subsidies.)

Nor did many expect a touchscreen phone. A lot of fan concepts revolved around the same thing that Jobs originally wanted to do: an iPod based phone with a clickwheel.

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However, some 2006 fan concepts came pretty close:

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Now that's vision and leadership. Steve made that team do the impossible: make a product that, well, didn't work right appear to be nearly flawless.

And after release, his team delivered on that vision (ok, eventually).

This is something that is often underestimated. Just because a team has the skills and abilities to do something does not mean it will get done. That's where great leadership and vision comes in. Painful, yes. But great. The results speak for themselves.

Steve was, and still is, considered amazing in this regard. Alas, leaders and visionaries like that don't come often.

Those saying "stop with the worship", etc, etc, just don't get it. It's not about "religious" rhetoric, it's about appreciation, and recognizing skills that are hard to come by and thus incorporate them so as to make us better.

Well said, that man :apple:
 
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