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Former Blink 182 Drummer Travis Barker in Critical Condition
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Thanks. It has been ALL OVER THE MEDIA here.
Good to know he gets to keep all his "drum parts"
I fully admit to being totally ignorant on the topic, but it seems ridiculous to me that a blowout would even be possible on such a (you would imagine) sophisticated piece of equipment. Is it that hard to build tires that can't blow out yet still fulfill the requirements? If they had taken off successfully wouldn't the landing have been even more likely to cause a blowout and probably killed everyone? Doesn't seem very safe if something like this can happen.
The ratio of private planes vs. jumbo jets having issues is bad. I don't like private planes because of they're unsafe and turbulence tends to be MUCH harder. Not to mention that pretty Apple worthy price tag. haha
Understandable question. But tires are tires. Just like on a car, you can have a brand new tire blow out suddenly. Debris, a defect in the rubber - whatever. It happens. I will say that a blowout should *not* normally cause an accident - even on landing.
The ratio of private planes vs. jumbo jets having issues is bad. I don't like private planes because of they're unsafe and turbulence tends to be MUCH harder. Not to mention that pretty Apple worthy price tag. haha
Private flying is indeed more dangerous that flying on an airline. But digging through the statistics will give you a better picture of the reality. When you talk about private aircraft, you need to remember that you're talking about everything from a $60M Gulfstream flying for Motorola to a small bush plane flying up in Alaska.
In other words, there are far too many variables to make such a blanket statement. Well, except for the Apple comment. You're right there.
Tires are tires? I'm not sure what you mean by that.
Are you saying there is only one possible way to make a tire and that has
always been exactly the same and will never be improved in the future?
If not, then presumably they could be made so that they are impossible to blow out, which seems kind of important if it can cause such a disaster.
But if the tire blowing out shouldn't cause an accident, then what really happened here?
No, not at all. And please understand that I'm no tire expert - I'm just the monkey up in the pointy end of the airplane doing his thing, hoping that the tires do their thing.
But I will say that tires on an aircraft aren't a whole lot more reliable than anything you'll find on a car. They might be rated to go faster (the tires on my aircraft are good for over 200mph), but we usually have to replace the mains every year or so, and the nose tires just a little less often than that. And like a car, we decide to replace tires when the tread starts to look a little thin.
My guess is that building an aircraft tire is just like doing so for a car. Could you make a tire that'll never go flat? Well sure - make it solid rubber. But then your ride will suck. So they find some balance between making a reliable tire and one that'll give the rich people in the back a good ride while on the ground.
Tires blow out on both airliners and private aircraft more frequently than anyone realizes. American had a blowout on takeoff out of Santa Ana just a couple weeks ago, and they made a landing safely at LAX. Nobody knows about it because the media doesn't care unless people die. Point is - it happens. We're trained for it. It shouldn't cause an accident.
But it did in this case, and honestly, I don't know why. I have plenty of ideas, but I really don't want to speculate, and would prefer to just wait until the NTSB gives its conclusion. I knew Sarah. She was a commensurate professional, and I'd fly next to her any day of the week. But we're all humans, and we all make mistakes. I'll be honest - it looks like she might have made one here - but at the end of the day I owe it to her to shut the f*ck up until I get all the facts.
Travis, along with Chad sexton and Danny Carey, were definitely my biggest influences while growing up as a drummer. It totally sucks that this wreck happened but luckily not everyone was killed. One thing I have noticed in the aftermath though, and wonder if anyone else has thought this... if you check out people.com right now, 3 of the top 5 "celebrity headlines" are about Shanna Moakler, Travis' ex-wife. "Shanna trying to lift Travis' spirits," "Shanna rushes to Travis' side," and "Shanna not leaving Travis' side." We get the point. It almost seems like a 15 minutes ordeal.
I don't know any more that what's being stated in the media, but it sounds like it was indeed a tire failure. They found fragments on the runway. So the next question is - what prevented them from getting the aircraft stopped by the end of the runway?
The national media doesn't tend to follow up when the NTSB releases actual findings about an aircraft accident, so I figured I'll necro this thread because some findings were released today about it:
http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/ntsb-highlights-inadequate-tire-maintenance/
I hoped I was wrong about Sarah's decision to go after V1, but unfortunately I guess that's what happened. Lear's stupid squat switch logic confounds me too. A failed squat takes the plane out of ground mode? Seriously?
::sigh::
http://www.ainonline.com/news/single-news-page/article/ntsb-highlights-inadequate-tire-maintenance/
I hoped I was wrong about Sarah's decision to go after V1, but unfortunately I guess that's what happened. Lear's stupid squat switch logic confounds me too. A failed squat takes the plane out of ground mode? Seriously?
::sigh::
Phew, when I saw the thread title I thought Travis Barker got in *another* plane crash.
Thanks for the follow-up.
Thanks for the follow-up.