Former President Ronald Reagan Dies at 93

[MacNut]

That last post was a little out of line don't you think.

 

[Pegano]

Well I can't say I agreed with this guy on much of anything, but my best wishes to his family.

 

[MacNut]

I would of taken Reagan in his last years over Mr Ketchup man Kerry

 

[Pegano]

I don't know about that, MacNut, but I think Les Kern got it when he said we should follow the "6-month rule." Tasteful, but honest.

 

[Penman]

I don't think that comment was called for in this thread. It has nothing to do with honoring Ronald Reagan.

Reagan's dead and honor is earned by living. If a Mac users forum's going to discuss politics at least let it be discussion. Though many supporters of Regan seem to be posting it's equally fair (and far more American in my view) to dissent.

Any valid criticism of the living applies equally well to the dead. As Reagan's death is stirring interest let's discuss his legacy honestly. His immediate family isn't reading this and if they did, are far too intelligent and experienced to let public discourse affect their feelings for their relative.

May his legacy be true.

 

[voicegy]

*sigh* Well, I can see where this thread will end up before too long. Laying down swords and paying respect for a former President whose last years were something I'd never wish on anyone is all I really wanted to see. Granted, the title of this post doesn't provide guidence one way or the other; indeed, it is generic enough, I suppose, to garner all sorts of open dialogue and opinion. Perhaps there could be other threads started in the political forums to discuss what he did/did not do for better or worse. Here, I felt, was just a place to recognize his passing.

LaMerVipere, don't worry about all the media coverage this week - you know as well as I do the attention span of the masses. It'll be over all too soon - Farenheit 9/11 will open nationwide on the 25th - I promise a shift in attention then.

Until then, I've already made my comment and paid my respects. Although I will TRULY mourn when Jimmy Carter dies (mainly because of his outstanding humanitarian efforts since leaving the Presidency) I do shed a tear or two for Ron Reagan, Democrat that I am.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Reagan's dead and honor is earned by living. If a Mac users forum's going to discuss politics at least let it be discussion. Though many supporters of Regan seem to be posting it's equally fair (and far more American in my view) to dissent.

Any valid criticism of the living applies equally well to the dead. As Reagan's death is stirring interest let's discuss his legacy honestly. His immediate family isn't reading this and if they did, are far too intelligent and experienced to let public discourse affect their feelings for their relative.

May his legacy be true.

The legacy that I spoke of was meant in away for each of us to understand the impact reagan made to history. The legacy can be both good and bad. And as left leaning as the Washington Post is said to be, their coverage of his life and times has been very well balanced in my mind.

What i was disturbed by here was the "gushing" done; and what appeared to be a request to honor him in his passing. What is needed is more time to determine whether he was "the Greatest President of our times". But we are too divided a nation to even to begin thinking that way.

 

[tpjunkie]

I can't say that I remember much of Ronald Reagan as president; although the first major international event I can remember is the Berlin Wall coming down...of course I couldn't comprehend the full significance of that at the time. Still, the fact is Ronald Reagan was one of the more interesting presidents we have had in recent times.

 

[pooky]

Well, I must say that, as sad as it is when anyone dies, I am happy that his suffering, and the suffering of his family, are over. No one should have to live through his disease, and no family member should have to watch a loved one degenerate so. I just hope that if the same should happen to me, I'll have enough wits about myself to end it before I'm no longer able.

As to those who would politicize Reagan's death: One of our leaders has died. Whether you think he was great or terrible, he WAS a leader, and a few days of respectful silence are called for before jumping back onto the politics-as-usual bandwagon. Democrats, I don't ask that you pretend Reagan was fabulous, I ask that you leave the poor man and his family alone for a few days out of respect for the dead. Republicans, don't use this as a call to arms to get your goldenboy reelected while your opponents are quiescent due to tact. Pardon the crudeness of the expression, but both sides ought to shut the hell up and mourn with the rest of the country, and at least let his family and friends see him buried before you wave whichever flag you care to bear.

 

[wdlove]

Mountain may be renamed for Reagan


By Emily Anthes, Globe Correspondent *|* June 7, 2004

In five years, one of the mountains in New Hampshire's 12-mile long Presidential range may be renamed in honor of President Reagan, who died at his Los Angeles home Saturday.

Reagan would join presidents Washington, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Pierce, and Eisenhower. He and Eisenhower would be the only two 20th-century presidents to have a peak named after them.

After sailing through New Hampshire's Republican-dominated Legislature, the renaming of Mount Clay in northern New Hampshire was signed into law last year by Governor Craig Benson. Benson called the change ''a fitting tribute to the man who won the Cold War and almost single-handedly caused the dramatic decline of Communism."

But federal approval for the name change wouldn't occur for at least five years, according to the regulations of the US Board on Geographic Names, which controls the naming of natural features. The board, which works with the federal secretary of the Interior Department to establish official names, will not consider proposals for commemorative names until the individual has been dead for at least five years. State and local feedback on the proposed name is solicited before the board makes a final decision.

If Reagan gets his peak, it would mean Henry Clay -- the senator and secretary of state of Kentucky who became known as the ''great compromiser" when he negotiated tenuous agreements between the North and South before the Civil War -- would lose his spot on the range. Clay is not the only nonpresidential statesman to have a peak among presidents; others include Benjamin Franklin and John Hancock.*

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

Mountain may be renamed for Reagan


By Emily Anthes, Globe Correspondent *|* June 7, 2004

In five years, one of the mountains in New Hampshire's 12-mile long Presidential range may be renamed in honor of President Reagan, who died at his Los Angeles home Saturday.

Reagan would join presidents Washington, John Adams, John Quincy Adams, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Pierce, and Eisenhower. He and Eisenhower would be the only two 20th-century presidents to have a peak named after them.

After sailing through New Hampshire's Republican-dominated Legislature, the renaming of Mount Clay in northern New Hampshire was signed into law last year by Governor Craig Benson. Benson called the change ''a fitting tribute to the man who won the Cold War and almost single-handedly caused the dramatic decline of Communism."

But federal approval for the name change wouldn't occur for at least five years, according to the regulations of the US Board on Geographic Names, which controls the naming of natural features. The board, which works with the federal secretary of the Interior Department to establish official names, will not consider proposals for commemorative names until the individual has been dead for at least five years. State and local feedback on the proposed name is solicited before the board makes a final decision.

If Reagan gets his peak, it would mean Henry Clay -- the senator and secretary of state of Kentucky who became known as the ''great compromiser" when he negotiated tenuous agreements between the North and South before the Civil War -- would lose his spot on the range. Clay is not the only nonpresidential statesman to have a peak among presidents; others include Benjamin Franklin and John Hancock.*

© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

Not to go OT, but this may only be the tip of the iceberg. Reagan was still alive when an airport, two buildings, and and aircraft carrier were named after him. I am sure that the five year process for Mt. Clay will now be sped up.

 

[gwuMACaddict]

to all of you that couldn't keek your politics out of this thread- whether right or left- thats total bull****. john kerry had the decency to call off campaigning for the week- why can't you!?

we haven't seen a national funeral for a president since kennedy. i'll be out taking pictures, i'll post them when i get a chance.

i wish that we could all take the time to remember this man for his visions, goals, and dreams. he wanted america to be a city on a hill. i sure as heck respect him wanting to do the best for america. he was a man of conviction, a man who wanted to make america a better place.

all the respect in the world, God bless him and his family

 

[Chip NoVaMac]

to all of you that couldn't keek your politics out of this thread- whether right or left- thats total bull****. john kerry had the decency to call off campaigning for the week- why can't you!?

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i wish that we could all take the time to remember this man for his visions, goals, and dreams. he wanted america to be a city on a hill. i sure as heck respect him wanting to do the best for america. he was a man of conviction, a man who wanted to make america a better place.

I understand trying to keep the political rhetoric down, but your praise could be considered political also.

It depends on how you define "greatness". There are those of us that questioned Reagan when he held office. But even now, some of us can see that there were aspects to be admired.

As i have said before, it was a shame that Ronald Reagan's voice was silenced so many years ago. I am sure he would have been saddened by the division that separates us as a nation along political lines.

I encourage those that haven't to try and read the many pieces in the papers on Ronald Reagan. I think that then we could see that everything is not just seen through rose colored glasses. And at the same time Reagan was not the total right hard-liner either.

You are right, he may have been the last of the politicians that were driven by conviction, rather than ambition.

we haven't seen a national funeral for a president since kennedy. i'll be out taking pictures, i'll post them when i get a chance.

Actually the last Presidential funereal was for President Lyndon Johnson.

all the respect in the world, God bless him and his family

Amen, and at this time Nancy Reagan needs our prayers and thoughts. For one truth is seen, that their love was one of the strongest that we have seen between two public people.

 

[rotorblade]

Farewell

As a former helicopter mechanic and Marine One Crew Chief for President Reagan, some of my most memorable years were those spent with the Reagan's at Camp David, their California ranch and various trips throughout the world. I only wish that more people could have got to know him the way I did. He was one of the kindest men I have ever had the pleasure to know.

Though I'm am saddened by his passing, I'm relieved the years of
suffering are now over for him, his family and friends.

To one of the greatest men I have ever known, I salute him one final time.

 

[Rower_CPU]

Since some involved in this discussion seem not to be able to avoid political commentary, please continue the discussion in the appropriate forum in an ongoing thread:
Politics: Reagan

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