Fortnite Coming Back to iPhone in Australia After Epic's Legal Victory

[BigBlur]

How about you buy into a device platform that allows you to do what you want in the first place instead of knowingly buying into a platform that doesn’t, then complain like a ten year old because it’s doesn’t let you do what you want. The freedom of choice begins when you choose which system you want, not the one you know that doesn’t let you have what you want, but you’ll continue to complain anyway. Many want a secure, closed platform, if you want an open one, go there. This is why we can’t have good things, everyone wants what they know they cannot get, but demand the right to whinge about it endlessly.

How about since sideloading is becoming possible in more and more regions of the world, they allow it everywhere instead of fragmenting the OS? If you don't want to sideload, fine...don't. I don't want to or have a need to sideload either, but I don't care if others do.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

One could swap in "Apple" for "Epic" nearly perfectly here, omitting the first sentence.
(tl;dr big companies are all the same)

So, if you exclude the ways big companies are different, they’re all the same. Yeah, I guess that works.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

How about since sideloading is becoming possible in more and more regions of the world, they allow it everywhere instead of fragmenting the OS? If you don't want to sideload, fine...don't. I don't want to or have a need to sideload either, but I don't care if others do.

If developers want to deliver to people all over the world, they’re going to have to deal with the extra complexity these governments are requiring, OR, just stick to the simple commissions based structure Apple’s got going. Even as more regions adopt measures such as this, Apple never has to make it available worldwide, just for each of those regions individually.

There will still be only one way to deliver content worldwide as easily as it’s being delivered now, so by separating themselves from this software delivery method, each government is simply ensuring that the simplicity of Apple’s App Store becomes more and more clearly beneficial.

 

[jlc1978]

Epic isn't an ecosystem/OS like iOS or Android, so I don't see why it would. Google and Apple both got equally dinged with this ruling.

Well, Fortnite is it's own ecosystem, and given how countries have determined markets it's not a stretch to classify it as one. In addition, EPIC is starting its own App Store as well, all App Stores should play by the same rules, why favor some over another?

Apple has a bigger cut, sure, but they do more for our marketing and our revenue is higher.

Which is what counts and why developers stick with Apple. I suspect small developers will be the collateral damage in the end.

It can simply be:

• use our system for payment etc. -> no fee
• use your own -> download fee

Entirely up to the developer to choose the model.

Exactly, and I suspect Apple's 15% will be the better deal overall, and the d/l fees high enough by teiring that they will probably be equal to the 30% at far less cost to Apple.

 

[daabido]

I may be wrong but the "pull out of xxx country" is driven by the country in question applying massive fines to Apple. In most cases, many people believe that these fines are just a way for said country to make money.

I don't believe that Australia has fined Apple so you will not hear the "get out of Australia" except for maybe a few.

We have not fined Apple. In fact, we admire their tax-dodgery and all stand by at their airport to wave away the billions in corporate profits each year that fly off to whatever low income tax country they are going to. We don't need corporate companies to act ethically in Australia, to help build the critical infrastructure (roads, hospitals, schools) that they use to sell their wares here. Remember, tax dodging is not illegal until the ATO (Australian Tax Office) has spent tens of millions of dollars in court to prove it.

 

[jlc1978]

Remember, tax dodging is not illegal until the ATO (Australian Tax Office) has spent tens of millions of dollars in court to prove it.

That’s pretty much true everywhere. A country writes the tax laws, people and companies look for ways to avoid taxes within the law as written and countries decide they don’t like how the interpreted and let courts decide what is and isn’t legal.

 

[svish]

Apple will not be happy but will have to comply. Epic is winning at the moment but waiting to see what will happen with the appeal Apple has filed.

 

[wbeasley]

Sad day to be an Aussie...

Epic are a dreadful company who willfully broke an agreement they signed.
And have whinged ever since. And used the EU.

I hope nobody buys or gives them money as a reward.

 

[123]

Exactly, and I suspect Apple's 15% will be the better deal overall, and the d/l fees high enough by teiring that they will probably be equal to the 30% at far less cost to Apple.

Download costs that are unreasonably high (e.g. more than twice the price of cloud service providers) will be subject to another lawsuit and fines in Europe and other countries. It will be nowhere near 15%. What you pay for as developers must not be content delivery at exorbitant costs, but marketing and ease of access and distribution via the App Store.

 

[jlc1978]

Download costs that are unreasonably high (e.g. more than twice the price of cloud service providers) will be subject to another lawsuit and fines in Europe and other countries.

Why should it be, there are now alternatives to Apple's App Store. If they charge too much develpers should just leave teh App Store...

It will be nowhere near 15%. What you pay for as developers must not be content delivery at exorbitant costs, but marketing and ease of access and distribution via the App Store.

Per d/lf ee areonly one part. Monthly hosting, app certification, advertising/slotting fees, etc. will add up. For example, 10 or 15$ hosting fee adds up for a small developer, and is paid whether or not anything is sold. Add in costs now covered by Apple's 15%, such as tax compliance, an a developer could quickly wind up paying more overall that Apple's 15%.

Since people have come to expect apps to be cheap, it doesn't take a whole lot of fees to quickly eat up a significant percentage of revenue. Frankly, apple's 15% is a good deal for developers considering the market and servcies they get for that cut. I suspect many will be unwilling to leave the App Store for a cheaper alternative.

 

[Dr Nobody Important]

The Aus government is saying that Apple's (and Google's) rules are illegal.

And the Aus governments rules are also illegal.

 

[wbeasley]

And the Aus governments rules are also illegal.

appeal time.

lawyers love appeals.

 

[Dr Nobody Important]

appeal time.

lawyers love appeals.

Lawyers love any case, they do not get paid for performance, only being there for the case.

 

[ksec]

I may be wrong but the "pull out of xxx country" is driven by the country in question applying massive fines to Apple. In most cases, many people believe that these fines are just a way for said country to make money.

I don't believe that Australia has fined Apple so you will not hear the "get out of Australia" except for maybe a few.

Oh no, it started *way* before massive fine was even a thing. Before even the DMA in EU, Macrumors wanted Apple to pull out of EU, UK, AUS, JAPAN, South Korea, etc. for even questioning Apple.