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Remind me - when this nonsense start? It’s been ages…didn’t this entire saga start when Apple was knee deep in the Apple Car Project and the Vision Pro was yet to be released and Apple was no where near releasing anything resembling an AI product?!?

It’s crazy how quickly this industry changes…
 
The Apple tax was never the problem.
It’s Apple’s requirement that everything be installed through the App Store.

I never cease to wonder why Mac users defend such a closed iOS ecosystem.
Some people are apparently mentally overwhelmed by that kind of freedom🤣

For years, users on Mac, Linux, and Windows have been installing software.

Hello #freedom 🥳
 
What is so special about this game?

Licenced (and expensive) skins for a vast library of pop culture characters from Movies, TV, music, sports, other games and various internet things. The core mechanics of the Battle Royale game are quite well developed though. The problem is it's broadly appealing to kids because of the art style and is absolutely predatory of your time like any live service game.
 
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The Apple tax was never the problem.
It’s Apple’s requirement that everything be installed through the App Store.

I never cease to wonder why Mac users defend such a closed iOS ecosystem.
Some people are apparently mentally overwhelmed by that kind of freedom🤣

For years, users on Mac, Linux, and Windows have been installing software.

Hello #freedom 🥳
We started with Cydia and were happy. This locked down mess has gone on way too long.
 
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Honestly, I get this weird vibe about Sweeney because I feel like his radar is off here. Yet, he does some good stuff and is probably not a bad person - like he does good stuff around conservation, for example.

But I think he's way off here. He has a product that he wants to sell, and he wants to access consumers via Apple, who have built a big group of consumers who use their products. Imagine if this were brick and mortar retail - Epic would sell their product to a shop, that shop would then on-sell the product to consumers, and would take a quite substantial cut. The shop's job is to get consumers through the door.

That's how I see this. Epic sells via Apple, and Apple has built a strong base of consumers on their devices. Somehow, it feels like Epic wants to sell their game through a retailer, and expect that the retailer doesn't get a cut. Or, that the retailer who owns the shop allows another retailer to come into their shop to sell the same stuff without helping to pay the rent. It just doesn't really make much sense to me. I'm sure I'm missing something.
Yea it's like you buy a tv from Samsung and you want Samsung to control what you watch and you seem to be ok with that.
 
This is so silly. Apple’s devices, Apple’s rules.
Apple may produce the devices, but they are not owned by Apple. Customers own them and should be able to install whatever they want from wherever they want. Thankfully Apple has discovered that it is not above the law, and we will have to be forever thankful to Epic for the battle it undertook (and won), as now we are all a bit more free than we were.
 
So sick and tired of this story for such a silly game and company that are already past their peak.

Gaming in general is so childish and has no place on any of Apple’s platforms, in my opinion. Apple devices and users are above that use case.
I think the story says that just because you’re the biggest doesn’t mean you can be a bully. Stop bullying, Apple! They can stop losing in court if they stop being an anticompetitive juggernaut. Hate the strategy of Crook and Co. Love Apple products but think the EU is right on Apple. I am an Apple fan who hates the strategy of being a bully.
 
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This is a hard one to watch when I want both sides to lose....
Agree. I want Apple to lose because bullying sucks, but I rather a small developer take on Apple and win not a money-hungry executive - but he did do it and the outcome will be many others not losing to Apple and customers, developers, and other stakeholders finally getting their due for buying into the “Crook-ed” ecosystem.
 
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What I really wonder is all these companies like Amazon, Uber, Uber Eats and others like it stop getting 30% cut which eats the profits from the small businesses and ensures only the wealthiest 1% prosper.
 
So sick and tired of this story for such a silly game and company that are already past their peak.

Gaming in general is so childish and has no place on any of Apple’s platforms, in my opinion. Apple devices and users are above that use case.
Past their peak? 🙄
 
I think your analogy is very flawed. Let me tweak it.

Imagine you sell in a brick and mortar retail store an item and inside the box is a manual that tells you that you can go on the manufacturer's website to buy more accessories or memberships there. Now imagine that the retail stores either wants commission on those sales that had nothing to do with the store or it bans your product because of that so you are unable to sell it there because you included something in the box that the retailers can't capitalise on so they kick you out.

That is what Apple is doing and its monopoly behaviour.

I'm not saying that I agree with everything EPIC is doing (in fact I've never even played the game) but Apple went too far with their restrictions etc. so this is a good case that hopefully customers will benefit from in the long run.



Honestly, I get this weird vibe about Sweeney because I feel like his radar is off here. Yet, he does some good stuff and is probably not a bad person - like he does good stuff around conservation, for example.

But I think he's way off here. He has a product that he wants to sell, and he wants to access consumers via Apple, who have built a big group of consumers who use their products. Imagine if this were brick and mortar retail - Epic would sell their product to a shop, that shop would then on-sell the product to consumers, and would take a quite substantial cut. The shop's job is to get consumers through the door.

That's how I see this. Epic sells via Apple, and Apple has built a strong base of consumers on their devices. Somehow, it feels like Epic wants to sell their game through a retailer, and expect that the retailer doesn't get a cut. Or, that the retailer who owns the shop allows another retailer to come into their shop to sell the same stuff without helping to pay the rent. It just doesn't really make much sense to me. I'm sure I'm missing something.
 
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Go away, Tim Sweeney and Epic. Fingers crossed, you will lose and we'll never have to hear about this again.

The Apple tax was never the problem.
It’s Apple’s requirement that everything be installed through the App Store.

I never cease to wonder why Mac users defend such a closed iOS ecosystem.
Some people are apparently mentally overwhelmed by that kind of freedom🤣

For years, users on Mac, Linux, and Windows have been installing software.

Hello #freedom 🥳
Actually, it makes perfect sense. If you run a brick and mortar store, can you bring something in and sell it without paying the owner? If Apple's was the only platform available, this would be a monopoly, but it's not so...
 
So sick and tired of this story for such a silly game and company that are already past their peak.

Gaming in general is so childish and has no place on any of Apple’s platforms, in my opinion. Apple devices and users are above that use case.

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8
 
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So Epic spent untold millions on a court case to essentially lower Apple’s commission on new apps and get them to put emulators on the App Store? I see this as a surrender. They are in desperate need of income and so came crawling back.
 
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