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“Foundation” discussion thread
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Well, I’m very confused by the end: how Seldon survived (I didn’t get it), why Salvor died so stupidly and what’s next.
But this second season was better. That last episode was rushed, I felt.
But this second season was better. That last episode was rushed, I felt.
While I feel cheated a bit by the nth bait-and-switch
Overall it was a very satisfactory ending. Season 2 got better than season 1, I think...
Everyone's dead on Terminus, and it was a satisfactory ending (Sef Sermak redeemed somewhat, Poly finding his faith again, etc) -- nope they're not!
Seldon is dead.. nope he's not!
Tellem is dead.. nope she's not! yes she is now for real!
Seldon is dead.. nope he's not!
Tellem is dead.. nope she's not! yes she is now for real!
Overall it was a very satisfactory ending. Season 2 got better than season 1, I think...
Yeah - that's getting to be a bit of a problem.
...if people keep dying and getting resurrected then pretty soon you lose all the dramatic effect of putting them under threat, in the first place. I've actually lost track of the number of people who have "got better" this season (apart from both versions of Hari and the entire population of Terminus...) So I'm not gonna be sending flowers for Hober Mallow, Bel Riose or Day just yet because by the law of averages they'll be right back... (well, Day already is, in a sense...)
I'll give them the Emperors' "genetic dynasty" since that's a relatively original idea - and maybe one immortal digital copy of Hari Seldon rather than a bunch of static recordings - but that's enough immortality for one show, and if other characters die they should stay dead. This isn't supposed to be a Saturday Cinema cliffhanger show - the writers should trust the audience to cope with a generation-spanning story in which the characters change from season to season.
I'll give them the Emperors' "genetic dynasty" since that's a relatively original idea - and maybe one immortal digital copy of Hari Seldon rather than a bunch of static recordings - but that's enough immortality for one show, and if other characters die they should stay dead. This isn't supposed to be a Saturday Cinema cliffhanger show - the writers should trust the audience to cope with a generation-spanning story in which the characters change from season to season.
I still think that the main problem with this show is the title, and it has the makings of a good "Game of Thrones in Spaaace!" saga if only they didn't have to keep throwing in word salad from the Foundation books (which were never really suitable for turning into anything more visual than a radio play).
I read the books long ago as a teenager and honestly was bored to death at the time in a way I probably would not be now. But given what I remember, this production doesn't reflect the books the way I pictured them. That said, in this case, based on what I've seen so far, it can stand on its own. The production values are great, thankfully with new, creatively managed effects. The story comes off no different that any other comic book space empire, and is just plain silly. Nevertheless it is so visually stunning it is worth watching.
I have always wanted to see series of Foundation and The Wheel of Time. And suddenly I've got the two, but ... I could barely stand the Foundation series. I watched the first season somehow and I expected it to get better. Then I lasted one week to finish the first episode of Season 2. The story is awfully presented. So many jumps back and forth in the time and the space. So many unnecessary things. Who the hell needs to see the bottom of an old Emperor in thong, pardon, I meant fundoshi? Three versions of the emperor?
They cloud have changed the name to something like The Prop and then put Inspired by Isaac Azimov's ...
They cloud have changed the name to something like The Prop and then put Inspired by Isaac Azimov's ...
I finally watched Season 2.
I didn't read the books, but what I knew about them gave me very high expectations for the series. And with high expectations come disappointments. Season 1 was ok, but most of the time I didn't know what's going on and what the story is about. But I guess that's because there is so much stuff that needed to be introduced. With Season 2 those problems are no more, and I could really enjoy it. Now I am hooked and can't wait for the next season.
I didn't read the books, but what I knew about them gave me very high expectations for the series. And with high expectations come disappointments. Season 1 was ok, but most of the time I didn't know what's going on and what the story is about. But I guess that's because there is so much stuff that needed to be introduced. With Season 2 those problems are no more, and I could really enjoy it. Now I am hooked and can't wait for the next season.
Not sure I will be willing to watch season 3 when it airs.
I do get it that one shouldnt expect Apple to make anything remotely similar to original works given how woke and all inclusive Apple is with everything they do.
However, if I could accept that these series are only INSPIRED by Foundation works, I do not see the sane reason in making second season into space soap opera just to appeal to masses, to as wide audience as possible in result simply cutting out true sci-fi lovers.
Season 2 would be that bad if not for overly dramatic and cliche, cheesy episodes sprinkled all over it.
I do get it that one shouldnt expect Apple to make anything remotely similar to original works given how woke and all inclusive Apple is with everything they do.
However, if I could accept that these series are only INSPIRED by Foundation works, I do not see the sane reason in making second season into space soap opera just to appeal to masses, to as wide audience as possible in result simply cutting out true sci-fi lovers.
Season 2 would be that bad if not for overly dramatic and cliche, cheesy episodes sprinkled all over it.
Just rewatched/listened to both seasons whilst painting my Warhammer. Can’t wait for season 3. Seemed to enjoy it more the second time around.
I just got around to watching both seasons recently. Just finished last night. It’s been over 5 decades since I read the books and my memory of them is a bit vague to say the least. My impressions is that it’s very loosely asked on the books and seems to bring in a lot more Star Wars like action. May have to reread the books.
I agree with the complaints about the asynchronous plot lines as too confusing. Never really liked them in movies.
I agree with the complaints about the asynchronous plot lines as too confusing. Never really liked them in movies.
Lol, maybe you should see another episode or two. I'm hooked but I hope they end it soon and not run it to a boring death like so many other series.
Most people seem to feel that the second season was better and moved more quickly. It had less need for exposition to explain the world and could get more into the plot.
I’m strongly considering revisiting this one. I give it 3 - 4 episodes back several weeks after it was first released and binged them and didn’t really get into it at the time which was strange because it appeared to be right up my alley but I walked away and didn’t give it much of a second through until recently. I’m thinking I simply might not have been in the mood for the kind of show it appears to be when I watched i the first time and I’m thinking I’ll revisit it.
What’s the general consensus on when it hits it’s stride? Right out of the gate, after a couple of episodes, a few episodes, halfway in? Usually if a series doesn’t grab my attention by halfway in I’ll pass unless somebody whose opinions I generally share tells me you’ve got it give it longer than the first half a season or that it really pays off in season 2 and is worth the wait, etc.
What’s the general consensus on when it hits it’s stride? Right out of the gate, after a couple of episodes, a few episodes, halfway in? Usually if a series doesn’t grab my attention by halfway in I’ll pass unless somebody whose opinions I generally share tells me you’ve got it give it longer than the first half a season or that it really pays off in season 2 and is worth the wait, etc.
Just finished season 2. What a ride. So glad season 3 is in production. Very satisfying.