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I always become sad and full of despair when I see people getting excited in a context where "TV" and "LCD" sit so close.
I love my Mac. Love my iPhone. But it doesn't mean that I want to belong to a world where Bose speakers and LED panels constitute a dream setup.
People are crazy...
I always become sad and full of despair when I see people getting excited in a context where "TV" and "LCD" sit so close.
I love my Mac. Love my iPhone. But it doesn't mean that I want to belong to a world where Bose speakers and LED panels constitute a dream setup.
People are crazy...
I am really looking forward to see what Apple does with television. I own an original ATV and two ATV2s. I really like the concept of the Apple TV and the inclusion of Siri makes sense for some things. It makes things like doing searches very easy as people do not like using keyboard emulators etc. It will bring information search to the television in a more conventional way.
I do think it makes sense that Apple make set top boxes as well as sell televisions for people to take it seriously. The Apple TV device is so misunderstood.
I do think it makes sense that Apple make set top boxes as well as sell televisions for people to take it seriously. The Apple TV device is so misunderstood.
Right. Through the internet, which is largely delivered by... cable. Why would Comcast/ Time Warner/ etc cut their own throats by delivering that content?
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Wow, even I can get in on that too.
Bose has never been in the business of building "studio reference speakers" but with that said please find me a TV with built-in speakers that sounds better then the VideoWave. Seriously. Have you actually heard one or just saying that it must stink because you don't like Bose?
I buy Bose because of these reasons:
1) Great sound. Not the best, nor hi-fi by any means, but pleasant sound that is tailored to the human ear. Audio purists hate Bose because Bose alters the sound so that frequencies we hear best are emphasized, but you know what... I like how it sounds and Bose wouldn't be one of the largest audio companies in the world if other people didn't like how it sounded. You say it's all marketing... well I don't care how well you market something. If people don't think it's good and don't like how it sounds or works they are not going to buy it.
2) Ease of use, style and build quality. Although not all Bose products have the highest build quality just take a look at a few products like the Bose Computer MusicMonitors or the new SoundLink Mobile Wireless speaker. Those products have an "Apple level" of build quality. I also can't complain about the Lifestyle V20 in my living room. It was easy to set-up, looks attractive and just works without all sorts of buttons, dials and hundreds of adjustments.
3) Customer Service. Call Bose and you get a real live human being that answers the phone from Framingham, Massachusetts. They have never once let me down when I had an issue and have even covered a couple of things that were out of warranty. I have had to call many different consumer electronics companies over the years and the experience I have had with Bose has been the best HANDS DOWN. In fact some you can hardly even find a way to contact.
Buy what you want, but there is nothing wrong with Bose if it purchased for the right reasons. It is a great solution for a lot of people and they do stand behind their products.
Now go find me a TV without any external speakers that sounds better then the Bose VideoWave. I am waiting.
Name me two people who would buy a TV just because it has an Apple logo on it. I suspect that you might name one, that's why I'm asking for two
We don't know any of the same people. I guess from this forum LCD, that's one. Famous person, Howard Stern probably, but he's filthy rich, so I'll throw in his gay friend Ralph.
My point was that all built-in speakers suck. It's not that I don't like Bose, it's that BOSE is not a reference in speaker design to begin with and people are talking as if dinky TV set built-in speakers would sound good if built by them.
Newsflash, no TV set built-in speakers will sound better than my dedicated 5.1 surround system.
Next time follow the context before interjecting, that way you won't waste your time with a wall of text.
My initial point was that Apple wouldn't be providing an "whole package experience" with a TV Set since they wouldn't be providing the sound system to hook up to it. Hence, there's no point in providing the monitor either. Just provide me with the logic in a set top box and leave the sound and picture to others, this will open up the market for their 3rd gen Apple TV much more than a dinky 32" or 37" TV set would.
I'm not a fan of Bose and I'll never buy their speakers, BUT I agree with your point.
That said, I'm not sure Apple would build speakers into a TV set. My guess is that the furthest they would go would be provide an optional matching flat panel speaker that will attach seamlessly to their set. They do have some experience making decent quality speakers (remember Apple iPod Hi-Fi?). So I expect it to be decent, but not great (like Bose stuff). And of course, I'm sure all you people who have better audio will be able to add on whatever you have.
I don't think any of this is their primary concern though since I kinda doubt that Apple is going to target the HT crowd. The HT crowd tends to be pretty tech savvy and doesn't mind fancy remotes with a hundred buttons on it and a gazillion wires behind their media cabinet. I think that being on MacRumors, we tend to have a skewed view of the world and forget that most of the rest of the population doesn't know and doesn't care to know about all these fancy audio and HT setups. I have a lot of non-tech friends who still use their TV speakers and don't hear any problem with it.
I think this TV is going to be for those non-techies like my parents who cannot make heads or tails of my 4 remotes when they come over. Even if I got a universal remote, they still wouldn't be able to figure it out. They have absolutely ZERO understanding of how my receiver sends an HDMI signal to the television and how everything else feeds into the receiver and how to switch between them. And they have ZERO desire to learn.
What Apple understands better than most is how to create technology that doesn't require the user to know how it works. I think most of you take for granted how complicated it is to setup a TV system with all its peripherals and then get it to operate (optimally). It's clunky, it's ugly, and it's messy. It takes a DAMN lot of effort to make it not so.
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So have you demoed the Bose VideoWave yet? You say that all built-in TV speakers suck and think that the VideoWave has "dinky" speakers that suck. It might not be quite comparable to a dedicated 5.1, but it will compete with any sound bar or 2.1 system without any external speakers or a subwoofer.
I mean if you have experienced a demo of this system and still feel it sounds like a couple 2" speakers in an LCD TV then fine, but I have a feeling you have never spent anytime listening to it.
By the way I didn't waste my time at all with a wall of text. If I didn't want to say what I said I wouldn't have wasted the effort typing it.
32 & 37 are fine for us
But also agree that the current AppleTV should be upgraded to be the same (essentially) as an external iDevice
Just makes sense - most of the issue seems to be content and contracts, not technology
Was the same with the iPod (iPhone), at least to a great extent
But also agree that the current AppleTV should be upgraded to be the same (essentially) as an external iDevice
Just makes sense - most of the issue seems to be content and contracts, not technology
Was the same with the iPod (iPhone), at least to a great extent
Tell Me, why should they?
Why is it that so many American people on this forum still think its an all American Company?
Most of their profits are outside of the US, most people working for Apple are outside of the US.(Indirectly)
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Apple is an international company now and sadly even Apple thinks too much the American way.
There is nothing wrong with America, I am not here to criticize You neither Americans but they could make an effort to think a bit more global/international.
There is nothing wrong in getting a new device out first in The States but that's getting less and less of a problem-iPhone 4S launched simultaneously in many countries.
If Apple comes out with a new model for bringing TV content to its customers I agree it is way too difficult to get it out in several countries at the same time.
Now for those ones who claim 32" or 37" is too small.
I would like to know the average size of TV sets in the states, I bet it not much bigger then 37", might be even smaller, there are lots of people who can not afford big sets, even in the states, might be even on an CRT one.
What is it with Americans, bigger is better statement, there is a formula that tells You how big a Tv can be for the room it is in, something like the size of the set and the distance You look at it and if You go over that limit it won't get You a good viewer experience.
In Europe the average is probably around the 32 to 37".
There are billions of people who either don't have Tv or the size of their Tv's are in the range of 14" to 21"
Its only a few "rich" people who own Tv sets over 47" since they tend to be the high end ones and are too expensive.
The idea for the ones who say that Apple releases a Tv Monitor with a slot loaded AppleTv on the back which they can upgrade might have a good point.
Tv's are not devices which people tend to upgrade each and every 2-3 years, more like 10 years.
The only people who buy 32" or 37" TVs are people who can't afford a bigger one or want to put a small cheap TV in a kids room or kitchen
I'm currently in the market for my first TV and after browsing through the shop decided I liked 32".
I'm used to watching films/tv shows on my 27inch iMac/Cinema Display so it's enough of a bump to make it worth purchasing the TV while still a convenient size.
Price was not a consideration in this decision.
Thank you, my point. We agree then, no need to discuss anything else as frankly, I don't want to debate about dinky TV set integrated speakers (they are all dinky to me).
Again context man. I have no interest in derailing off-context here. My point was made in a very narrow frame.
The videowave certainly has better sound than your average flat pannel. But it's definitely much THICKER as a result. Always a trade off.
And while Bose is certainly no Monster Cable, they do have their Apple/Samsung moments.
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Worry not, note that I didn't type subwoofer, I went Bose-centric and specifically said "bass module."
Most of the quality systems you're referring to in my experience don't have tiny speakers, more like medium sized bookshelf speakers. (And that's another term I'm not completely fond of.)
As for Bose being extremely friendly for usage, yeah, I can agree to a point. But when you're itching to upgrade piece by piece, that argument flies right out the window.
Audio is a market in which I have a better handle than computers, as it happens. Perhaps I would even meet your standards for knowing (or looking up) every little detail about every little part of every product.
Perhaps.
I was just adding to your point. My comment may have been too brief to be clear on that. It's common for me to make that mistake.
Bathroom TVs?
huh? why would Apple make TVs for bathrooms?? (32" and 37") Other than WalMart, is there anyplace to even buy TVs that small anymore? Based upon that alone, this rumor sounds fishy. TVs smaller than 50" don't really have a market anymore (maybe as security monitors??)
huh? why would Apple make TVs for bathrooms?? (32" and 37") Other than WalMart, is there anyplace to even buy TVs that small anymore? Based upon that alone, this rumor sounds fishy. TVs smaller than 50" don't really have a market anymore (maybe as security monitors??)
If you're gonna say this is something awesome coming from Apple, it may be a good idea to not reference two movies that were generally thought as much weaker compared to the original.