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Of course we can build stuff over here in the U.S. Ready for a pay cut? That's the only thing holding it back. Welcome to globalization.

And the companies can't cut their profits one bit? Apple just have to make 30% profit margins...
 
Ebay 1st Gen Ipad

Does anyone have an idea on when it would be a good idea to offload my 1st gen iPad on Ebay in order to buy the 2nd gen? Before or after Christmas? 1st quarter 2011 could be anytime between January and March.
 
I totally thought this article was talking about the iPad 2, oh well.

I find it hilarious how scared uneducated people are about free trade. If someone else can built it better or cheaper, then let em. We'll just start making whatever we comparative advantage in. :apple:
 
I totally thought this article was talking about the iPad 2, oh well.

I find it hilarious how scared uneducated people are about free trade. If someone else can built it better or cheaper, then let em. We'll just start making whatever we comparative advantage in. :apple:

Yes, let's race to the bottom. That's a winning strategy.
 
I'm so sick of hearing this "China" talk everywhere.

Can't we build stuff over here in the U.S anymore. It really makes me sick. :mad:

America is one of the most expensive countries do to business in; from the over regulation to businesses being forced to pay for the healthcare and retirement of their employees - in most other countries people pay taxes for those sorts of things. Americans pay taxes but what they get is a country that spends more on defence than any other country and an empire with very little to show for it. The problem and solution to your above scenario lies in your hands when you vote at the next election.
 
Yes, lets all hope our children work on assembly lines instead of as engineers or designers.

I never really got the whole fret about all the crappy jobs going overseas. Good riddance. Invest in education and let the rest of the world be the factory that builds our ideas.

hey, white trash needs jobs too! :D
 
Would you pay $1,500 for an extra large iPod?

People pay $3k+ for Mac Pros, $2k+ for iMacs and MacBook Pros ... This is Apple, Bubba remember? This is the company where scores of drones get in line for the next greatest thing at the retail stores on release - no matter the cost.

Yes ... many would pay and then turn around and come right to these forums to defend the expense and the "Apple tax". Then they would bash you and your cheap netbooks, smart phones, and mp3 players ... because they weren't :apple: products.
 
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quality

No!

It's more like ... would you pay $999 for an iPad and $1999 for a MacBook.

Anyone who demands lower cost (i.e. shops at WalMart) promotes the manufacturing getting moved to outside the US, in the end. That's why I like Germany, they operate at the other end of the spectrum ... high-quality/high-cost manufacturing.

In the end, the quality of life would hardly decrease to keep the manufacturing in the states. The ability to consume would decrease severely, but the basic infrastructure would remain similar.

Now, if you correlate the quality of life with the ability to consume (this is an iPad discussion after all), then the quality of life would decrease (approximately by 50%).

The real question is how long until the market is saturated. 40M iPads/year. There's only roughly a billion Americans (300M) /Canadians (30M) / Europeans (600M).

my inlaws are always going about how european quality is so good compared to US and china.

they went on vacation to france and bought my son a boat. made in china and broke in a week. a lot of the made in europe crap is made by imported chinese workers. and my grohe faucets aren't made in germany either

as for wal mart i've bought stuff there that is much better made than some of the crap i have from the snobby/elite stores

In my educated opinion, product quality revolves around two major factors:

1) Design

2) Materials

Where it is built isn't so much of a factor. My '98 Jetta for example. Designed in Germany, manufactured from high quality materials and parts, assembled in Mexico. The thing is solid as a rock even after 3 fairly major accidents. Pulled it straight, good as new. Macs are no different. Designed very well in the US with a focus on high end materials, and the result is a great machine. Look at a Ford compared with a US built Toyota. It's all about design and materials.
 
As for manufacturing in America... why would we _want_ to manufacture stuff here?

America has moved on from manual labor like manufacturing. It's much better to use our advanced work force to _think_ of stuff rather than physically create it.

Think about this: which one makes more money (profit) from the iPad: Apple or Foxcon? My money is on Apple.

Where was that iPad thought of and designed? In California (just like every Apple product).

I think we are above trivial jobs like manufacturing... let's let other developing countries do that for us while we think of **** for them to manufacture.
 
7 million units in Q4? Seems kinda high considering iPad 2 will probably be out in Jan. I myself am waiting for that.

I agree, an early release seems more and more feasible each day.

There's been a lot of buzz around it on "non" techie sites. By all indicators Apple is ready to bring the 2nd gen iPad out _very_ soon.

I just sold mine a few days ago, at what now seems to be the right time, as I still got good money for it. Now I'm certainly ready for the new model.
 
Every so often somebody posts that jobs should stay in the US.

The person who posts is always ferociously attacked. The responses are mostly very angry, very insulting and very overstated.

Why? Why would someone proposing a US assembly plant be attacked and called names?

I can understand some level of disagreement, but why the fervent, nasty and personal attacks? That is not a normal response to this sort of issue, one of bringing jobs for the people of your country!

Also, note that the themes of the responses are the same every time, over and over.

It can only be assumed that there is an orchestrated response team operating on behalf of China and maybe Apple or others, and it seems they use a basic list of talking points so that they can be repeated over and over and at some point seem true.

Kind of interesting. It would be cool to investigate this.
 
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Every so often somebody posts that jobs should stay in the US.

The person who posts is always ferociously attacked. The responses are mostly very angry, very insulting and very overstated.

Why? Why would someone proposing a US assembly plant be attacked and called names?

I can understand some level of disagreement, but why the fervent, nasty and personal attacks? That is not a normal response to this sort of issue, one of bringing jobs for the people of your country!

Also, note that the themes of the responses are the same every time, over and over.

It can only be assumed that there is an orchestrated response team operating on behalf of China and maybe Apple or others, and it seems they use a basic list of talking points so that they can be repeated over and over and at some point seem true.

Kind of interesting. It would be cool to investigate this.

Who is insulting who - you must have very thin skin if you consider what I wrote as being 'insulting' by simply pointing out the fact that government policy has resulted in American labour being priced out of the market. Other people here have made a similar point as well - so where is your evidence coming from apart from having very thin skin when entering a debate?
 
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Oh, and by the way, the plants are being moved inland not so the workers can have a homemade meal on Mao Day, but because the workers in the coastal areas are getting restive and harder to control. There is talk of unions, better conditions and such.

The workers inland are more rural and unsophisticated, easier to control and cheaper as well than the more educated and sophisticated coastal people.

The leadoff quote for this thread sounds like it was written by the PR people at Foxconn. Or planted by Apple.
 
Yep. Be REALLY cool if they were made in the USA.
It would be really cool to pay for iPads at triple the current MSRP.

It would be really cool to see failure to pass QC on assembled products at least triple or quadruple than current rates which would cause an uprising and ruin Apple's reputation.

It would be really cool to see Apple unable to meet the demands or capacity to produce at even 30% of current capacity because Union workers will negotiate a deal where they fight technology and automation and specify human assembly techniques.

It would be really cool to see iPad will increase delivery lead times to plus 12+ months from now because they do not have the current infrastructure, plants, machinery or the trained employees to have a efficient production line (add another 6 months for training, retraining and negotiation w/union because of 100 reasons to bamboozol any feasible approach to remain competitive and maintain the current expected quality level.


But hey.. I don't want No foreign company to take our jaaabbbbs. and it would be cool.
 
It can only be assumed that there is an orchestrated response team operating on behalf of China and maybe Apple or others, and it seems they use a basic list of talking points so that they can be repeated over and over and at some point seem true.

You seriously must be slow if you can't see the bigger picture or understand what has been repeated many times. I feel sorry for you because the very fact you would write this tells me no sensible person can or will be able to make you understand. You skull must be very very thick. I am happy I don't know you.
 
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