Foxconn Still in Talks With U.S. Government Over LCD Factory for iPhone and iPad Screens

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    It's been a few months since the last few rumors regarding Foxconn's potential manufacturing expansion into the United States, with company chairman Terry Gou placing uncertainty on the reports at the time. Now, sources in the Taiwan supply chain are once again claiming that Foxconn -- one of Apple's biggest suppliers -- is currently talking with both the U.S. federal government as well as individual state governments about building a TFT-LCD factory in the states (via DigiTimes).

    The thin-film-transistor LCD manufacturing facility is said to produce small- to medium-sized displays for a collection of electronic devices, including autonomous driving systems in vehicles, medical care systems and mobile displays. Specifically, for Apple, the Taiwanese sources said that Foxconn's U.S. plant would build screens for the iPhone, iPad, and MacBook.

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    Gou's original uncertainty with U.S. iPhone manufacturing was said to have been focused on whether or not the U.S. government could resolve any issues in a timely manner before such a plant could be built, as well as a lack of skilled labor and comprehensive supply chain required by the display industry. Gou never strictly nixed the idea of manufacturing display panels in the U.S., however, ultimately telling reporters that he would like Foxconn to be present in both markets (the U.S. and China) when the time is right.

    Prior to Gou's comments, reports about Foxconn's U.S. expansion were frequent late in 2016 and early in 2017, with a report from last December referencing "early talks" held between Foxconn and the U.S. government that would result in a $7 billion plant and the creation of 50,000 jobs within the U.S.

    In January, Pennsylvania was referenced as a possible location for the plant, along with reports of a potential joint investment deal between Apple and Foxconn for the U.S. plant. In February, Sharp was said to be given the lead on the plant, but now U.S.-based licensing deals for LCD TV panels between Sharp and Chinese vendor Hisense could interfere with Foxconn's plans.

    Article Link: Foxconn Still in Talks With U.S. Government Over LCD Factory for iPhone and iPad Screens
     
  2. Rogifan macrumors P6

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    So they're going to set up a plant to build screens for iOS devices and then ship them back to China for final assembly? I see this as a lot of talk but never actually happening. As as we're seeing with health care, Trump doesn't care about what actually happens he only cares about what his kool-aid drinking supporters think is happening. I will bet we don't see a major new Foxconn factory in the United States within the next 4 years.
     
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    I imagine if they're making LCDs, it's easy to be making iPhones too… just depends on how cheap the labor is willing to get. I bet most of it will be automated since the labor unions will want a hand in the cookie jar and it will become cost prohibitive. We won't be seeing an iPhone making campus here.
     
  5. acorntoy, May 8, 2017
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    we have no idea what they are for, for all we know they could be replacement parts directly going to Apple stores in the us and around the world, while the screens they continue to make in china (as the article points out they want both) get used in the building process. And honestly, no matter who got the jobs here, trump, cook, or freaking Putin, at least it's a development in the right direction. A couple years ago we were seeing stories about the Foxconn nets. I'm not a trump supporter, but come on, Apple has been in hot water for years over labor, and keeping a good amount of jobs and cash out of the US, it's not hard to think that they were planning this before trump even announced his run, although maybe with his rhetoric he could make it easier for them.
     
  6. Ambient80 macrumors newbie

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    Interesting. I would think they would look into maybe building OLED screens, as opposed to LCD since that's where the market is going (at least in the case of the iphone). I wonder if it's maybe for repair screens and new iPads later on? I'd love to see an OLED iPad but the price... yikes.
     
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    The latest for OLED is 8th generation panels.

    LCDs are 11th.

    What 'm reading here, is 6th generation, that too, for LCD display. And I was expecting for Quantum-Dots or microLED. Far from encouraging but discouraging.
     
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    Because unfortunately America is no longer at the heart of technological innovation. Our workers are under-skilled and overpaid and our government is overzealous in removing every privacy barrier that remains (both under democrat and republican admins) which creates a chilling effect for any country that wants to do business with us. It's a hostile environment and they're only throwing us the scraps because our president doesn't know any better. He said he wanted more "They took our jurbs!" back for Americans, despite the fact that many republicans are directly responsible for enabling these companies that pay for their campaigns to ship their workforce overseas. The way you make America great again is to apparently cut funding to higher education and give everyone a factory assembly line job. That's what republicans have been doing in my state since the election. Student enrollment is tanking and local businesses are shutting down because of lack of business. Tons of people are being laid off and it's starting to make home prices drop.
     
  9. Rogifan macrumors P6

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    I'm sorry but people are being sold a bill of goods. There isn't going to be any factory that employs hundreds of thousands of people. These are all symbolic gestures, and in some cases just talk, not concrete plans. A lot of it based on tax policy that isn't even law. And who knows if it will ever become law.
     
  10. Michaelgtrusa macrumors 604

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    Foxconn and china has made a mockery out of the nation that built it and even more the politicians that allowed American jobs and tech to fall into the hand of undeserving nations. So make a display tech that was created in the U.S decades ago and ship it along with the profits back overseas!! Foxconn can keep it. I can recall back when Taiwan didn't have and infrastructure and was begging us for it.
     
  11. JPack macrumors 68030

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    This article reads like something from a decade ago.

    The rest of the world is building 11G LCD factories and 6G OLED production lines.

    Meanwhile, the U.S. might be getting its first 6G LCD production line.

    I had to triple check the date of this article to make sure I wasn't reading it wrong.
     
  12. ignatius345 macrumors 68000

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    Yeah, shame on those labor unions for fighting a race to the bottom of wages and working conditions.
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    Even if it does, it's gonna be a handful of technicians and a lot of robots:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-36376966
     
  13. Rogifan macrumors P6

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    Exactly. The idea that low skilled white males in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan will be getting jobs assembling iPhones or other electronics is nonsense. Not happening.
     
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    Perception is more important than reality to the Trump administration.
     
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    why not? Until a few years ago, Apple's A chips were built by Samsung in Austin, TX -- as are Corning's Gorilla glasses -- shipped to Foxconn in China, and, once assembled, to all over the word. Remember when Cook was telling Americans that iPhone's "engine" were made in USA?
     
  16. Vanilla35 macrumors 68040

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    An investment of this size would benefit the US. Whether it makes good business sense or not is another thing altogether. The good thing is, if it does go through, they have decided it does make good business sense.

    I appreciate the effort into such things. Fluff or not, talks are going on, and that's better than nothing.
     
  17. acorntoy macrumors 65816

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    I never said that. I said it's good that anything is coming over here from elsewhere. It might just be one incredibly skilled robotics repair man but at least that's a job here that wasn't before.
     
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    It seems, at least the majority of people on this site get it. The notion that we can somehow bring back the golden age of manufacturing in th U.S. is unrealistic, to say the least. I guess some are satisfied with "talking about it" Though, the whole world economy would need to be re worked. Lets have a successful company build a factory (they dont need) train thousands of workers (which they already have) and pay them triple if not more than their current workers (probably for a device that is NOT up to the quality standard their foreign workers are already making) Hmmmm, I dont think so!!!!!

    When all these trade deals were put through in the late 80's early 90's (NAFTA, etc) we were told that the U.S.A. was jumping ahead of manufacturing jobs. All those factory assembly jobs were going to go to the third world and we were going to advance with better paying high tech jobs. Thats what was supposed to replace them. Well, it sounded good, and I agreed with it. Sadly, when it comes time to start putting that plan into practice.....like massively increasing our secondary and college education funding. Like setting up AND PAYING FOR technical schools, well it never happened. God forbid we raise taxes to educate or citizens, give our citizens health care, you know, like every other industrialized western country. (That is just blowing by us in standard of living and every other bench mark) Where as after the second world war we dumped massive amounts of money into education, science, health care, infrastructure, at that time we led the world. Now our bridges, roads, and people are falling apart.
    Oh but our leaders are paragons of family values, and we got to keep the gays from getting married, that would just end civilization, and if we run out of triple decker bunk beds to fill up the cafeteria in the jail with prisoners cause there isnt any open cells, well, we'll just let for profit companies build more prisons. What could go wrong with a system in which the LESS people rehabilitated and the MORE I can keep serving time, the more money I get. Yeah, no land mines there at all.
     
  19. MrX8503 macrumors 68020

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    I wish I could give you another thumbs up.

    People need to understand that no one can stop the natural advancement of technology. No matter how much money you pump into it and no matter how crazy our President is, those manufacturing jobs are long gone.

    Sure, we can slow it down by making huge investments, but in the end it's not possible to stop the inevitable. The only solution is to invest in education, training, science, and technology. Create a new class of highly skilled workers to get everyone back to work.

    Republicans have been scaling back those investments and so it's interesting that the people that cry for jobs are voting against their best interests. To top it all off those very same people rely on ACA (Obamacare). It's a real shame.
     
  20. Michaelgtrusa macrumors 604

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    They lied about the jobs and knew what would happen if these deals when into play. It was all a plan by the banking industry to destroy the nation that crated more IP that any other in history.
     
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    So... why are people complaining about this? It's good.
     
  22. GrumpyMom, Jul 25, 2017
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    Well they're sounding like they're replacing the Chinese workers with robots, too, according to different articles I've seen over the past few months. We may as well get the factories over here because even a factory full of robots can generate some jobs. It won't necessarily get the lowest skilled workers back on track but it will get somebody a job.

    We do still have factories and we do still employ people to make things. The problem is, @Michaelgtrusa has spoken some truth in that we allowed too much innovative technology IP, some of it pertinent to our national security, dribble out to China and now mostly make a lot of very basic things. And our businessmen and women are too eager to let China get too many hooks into our infrastructure if it means swapping a Chinese supplier for an American one so costs can be cut. It's all about the profits and damn the best interests of our nation and our allies.

    It's a lot to go into here, but I've read a lot of articles about our government's security analysts concerns that we do too much business with China and that could come back to bite us if overt hostilities ever boil over or they decide to hack our infrastructure and take us down that way. They'll simply have too many points of entry into our infrastructure at too many levels and too many ways of stopping us in our tracks

    It is a very dangerous dance we do with China. We trade and partner heavily with them in the technology industry one on hand and then with the other hand quietly wave threats of mutually assured destruction when we get into spats over North Korea's nuclear ambitions or who has what claims to tiny islands somewhere.

    Never forget that one of our nations great strengths and assets that enabled our success in WWII was our many and varied factories that we were able to convert to the war effort. We need to be careful because if another Great War breaks out, there's only so much we can do with our fabulous investments in cloud computing and Facebook. I suppose Trump might be able to convince Amazon to send a delivery drone to drop a box of fidget spinners on Kim Jong Il's big head, though.
     
  23. Vanilla35 macrumors 68040

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    Because people seem to hate Trump more than they like helping the American people who need these jobs. Pretty sad if you ask me.
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    I haven't been watching the US relationship with China or studying it intensely for years as some have (I'm quite young and inexperienced in regards to it), but it clearly seems as you wrote above to me. It's obviously a long term power play on their part, and they know it; as their economy has been progressing, they have the manpower and capital to make these longer moves, and they will to continue to take advantage of it as well. It has not been a secret that the Chinese not just copy/mimic on a lesser level, but they also utilize that same technique to greater level by taking advantage of manufacturing from these global enterprises and in term leap frogging off of the companies intellectual property

    It's not a rap on the Chinese people as individuals, but that is part of how they utilize their opportunities when it comes to valuable tech or product knowledge that can be implemented in their own products or services. They are simply aggressive about it.
     

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