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. starbucks survives because of its image. so, not having wi-fi will not, as you put it, "goona scuw" them over. ,,,,,,,

and then you can come back in 10 years and tell us what a bunch of suckers we all were and how you were right all along.

I agree that starbuck's image is important, which is why i was suprised to see them take such a short sighted unambitious PR move. i dont think anyone can refute that "totally free" would be better than "kinda free sometimes".

I wish you would not dehumanize me by implying that i would enjoy proving everyone wrong. or give me advice to solve my "opinion". but you are by far the nicest yet.

i believe people go into starbucks because there are very few social enviroments left in the modern world, and coffee shops are a refuge for socialization. i am involved in philanthropic projects to address that exact issue. My current foremost project is free 24/7 chill spots where people can simply hang out. It is funded by venture capitalists and humanitarians. i believe basic internet is what postal service and libraries were during the previous centuries, and high speed internet is a luxury worth paying for.

what i find the most fascinating is how insulted people are that i am not impressed with this promotion.
 
Thanks for the info on using the "Develop...." Awesome. Sitting at starbucks 6:00am on my macbook. The only bad thing, I can't use the excuse at work anymore that I can't get on the internet here.

later all
 
i believe basic internet is what postal service and libraries were during the previous centuries, and high speed internet is a luxury worth paying for.

Guess what? The postal service is paid for per item, and libraries are paid by your taxes. Starbucks gets no government subsidy for providing internet service, so they charge "per item." Guess what? Sounds like you love what Starbucks is doing! That is, if being internally consistent is important to you. :eek:
 
Starbucks coffee at $4.00 a cup?

Free WiFi access is an incentive for customers to patronize a business, and a very cheap one at that. Some businesses just don't have to work that hard for customers, I suppose.

Actually regular coffee (the stuff most people buy at Starbucks is $2 and some tax. It comes with free refills and all. I think it's a very good deal.

As with WiFi, it's not provided as a incentive, but a service; you don't get service for free. You have to pay for services; it's like Starbucks offering free coffee for WiFi... I don't see that happening.
 
This did not work at my local sbux.

I got an att screen but it said nothing about iphone users.

[sad face]

Mike




A couple of readers have reported that AT&T hotspots are now offering free Wi-fi access to iPhone users. AT&T Wi-Fi hotspots at Barnes and Noble as well as Starbucks are now offering iPhone users a custom portal to access free Wi-fi. A special iPhone formatted page asks for your mobile phone number. Once entered, you can access the Wi-fi access for free. Blurry photo provided: MacRumors has been able to confirm this finding at a local Barnes and Noble.
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AT&T recently partnered with Starbucks to provide Wi-fi access to Starbucks' 7000 stores nationwide. This partnership allowed existing AT&T broadband customers free access and AT&T promised that it would "soon extend the benefits of Wi-Fi at Starbucks to its wireless customers", but no official announcement has yet been made.

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Philly airport

Happened to run in to this at the Philadelphia Airport yesterday before I had seen this report. Quite a nice surprise.
 
I agree that starbuck's image is important, which is why i was suprised to see them take such a short sighted unambitious PR move. i dont think anyone can refute that "totally free" would be better than "kinda free sometimes".

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i believe basic internet is what postal service and libraries were during the previous centuries, and high speed internet is a luxury worth paying for.

what i find the most fascinating is how insulted people are that i am not impressed with this promotion.
I'm not insulted at all. People are free to have whatever opinions they want, and this is hardly a case where (unlike racism or a whole host of other issues) I would have an incentive or desire to change your opinion. It's about the internet, for goodness sake!

Anyhow, like other people have been said, everybody has to pay to mail things; the postal service isn't free. People pay taxes to fund public services; the library isn't free. Even your hang-out spots are being paid for by VCs. So, in the case of free wi-fi at Starbucks, either the customer foots the bill or they foot the bill. Here's the important part: for whatever reason, the decisionmakers think that free wi-fi is not a draw for their target demographic. I guess you don't agree with them? I happen to agree with them.

I think the majority of people who do not go to Starbucks don't go for a few reasons: they hate multinational corporations, they hate Starbucks's business practices; they hate Starbucks coffee; they don't think Starbucks is worth the cost. That covers the reasons I hear most often. Now free wi-fi could only possibly counter the last reason, the value proposition. There probably are some people who think the coffee is ok but too expensive, and the free wi-fi would just push them over the edge on this. BUT, as you pointed out, there are already mom-and-pop coffee shops that offer free wi-fi, probably with as good (or better, some people would say) coffee. So what would be the incentive to switch to Starbucks? The only thing I can think of in that case would be proximity. That's it.
 
Thanks to ntrigue! Worked for me on a MacBook SR 2.2 at the Starbucks near Battery and Pacific in San Francisco. Took a while to login, but once logged in, speeds were fine. Maybe I did something wrong during login, will try again at different Starbucks. It comes up as T-Mobile as this location. BTW, I have a paid home DSL with AT&T, so it's not free and I'm not mooching off AT&T. I also patronize Starbucks often so I'm not mooching off them either. Thanks again ntrigue for the info, and thanks AT&T and Starbucks for finally getting it right.:D
 
Not working

This is not working for me on my Macbook pro at my local Starbucks.

When I go to the develop menu and select the mobile safari - i phone, it closes and reopens safari and launches the AT&T Wifi page, but it actually brings me to the login where a user name and password is required, it says nothing about a phone number.

I'm running the latest safari updated this morning with software update. My local s-bucks has both at&twifi and t-mobile when I go to view available wireless networks and I tried both, and they both give me the same login page.

I tried clearing my cookies and my browser cache and starting over, but this also did not work. Any other ideas? My friend is visiting me from NYC this weekend, so we'll go in there with his iphone and see if it works on a real iphone. ;)
 
Here Today...Gone Tomorrow

Pentagon City, VA. was working on the 29th. Today the same Starbucks asks for username and password. Say it isn't so...
 
Starbucks coffee at $4.00 a cup?

Free WiFi access is an incentive for customers to patronize a business, and a very cheap one at that. Some businesses just don't have to work that hard for customers, I suppose.
That's not the issue. The question was posed in response to the expectation that business provide free wifi to the public in order to blanket the country.

Your answer, apart from being about $2.50 overinflated (a cup of coffee is $1.50, and even less if you bring your own cup), doesn't address the question of why private businesses should be expected to finance and maintain an ongoing service at an aggregate cost of billions of dollars per year for no particular reason or benefit.
i believe basic internet is what postal service and libraries were during the previous centuries, and high speed internet is a luxury worth paying for.
Unfortunately, telephone service still isn't what post offices and libraries are, even after more than a century. It's not a bad idea to deploy free broadband to everyone, but it couldn't be further away from "free" to achieve it.

It's also interesting to note your examples--the USPS is self-funding based on the rates they charge, and libraries require gifts, grants, and supplemental sales just to stay afloat. Library budgets are usually the first ones cut in a cash crunch, and they're money-starved across the nation because the taxpayers don't want to foot the bill.
 
Works with jailbroken t-mobile iphone with tmobile #

As my title says. I tried this with my jailbroken, unlocked, t-mobile phone with a t-mobile number and it worked.
 
Works

Works in Starbucks in Hampton Bays, NY...I tried yesterday, got the same screen, logged in, enjoyed free WiFi. Previously it was a T-Mobile hotspot that charged for access.
 
Actually regular coffee (the stuff most people buy at Starbucks is $2 and some tax. It comes with free refills and all. I think it's a very good deal.

As with WiFi, it's not provided as a incentive, but a service; you don't get service for free. You have to pay for services; it's like Starbucks offering free coffee for WiFi... I don't see that happening.

That's a rather poor analogy. Once the WiFi base station is set up, the marginal cost per user is essentially zero -- which is why a lot of businesses offer free WiFi. It is provided as an incentive, to bring customers in their door instead of someone else's. All we're really saying here is that Starbucks is fat and happy. They don't have to work that hard to compete.
 
That's not the issue. The question was posed in response to the expectation that business provide free wifi to the public in order to blanket the country.

Your answer, apart from being about $2.50 overinflated (a cup of coffee is $1.50, and even less if you bring your own cup), doesn't address the question of why private businesses should be expected to finance and maintain an ongoing service at an aggregate cost of billions of dollars per year for no particular reason or benefit.

I didn't get that out of the remark. I also didn't say that Starbuck's coffee is overpriced. I have no opinion about that at all, if only because I don't drink the stuff. I was simply pointing out that services of this kind bring in customers. Once inside, they buy things -- which pays for the services.
 
It worked for me yesterday at my starbucks when I stopped in, but tidayutjust takes me to the standard AT&T login page asking if you have an account.

Does anyone have by idea if there is a way to force the iPhone access page (ie the URL for the iphone access)

(written from starbucks using edge)
 
I try at Starbuks today but it was asking fior the Log in Id and password. Any help? Thanks

And IMO wifi should be free no matter what, some countries have free wifi everywhere.
 
Once the WiFi base station is set up, the marginal cost per user is essentially zero -- which is why a lot of businesses offer free WiFi.
For one base station in one corner coffee shop, that's true. But add in the thousands of businesses in a medium-size city and that marginal cost begins to shoot up. And then, if every store starts doing it, it occupies all available channels and home users can't get a signal in their own house because of a crowded spectrum. Then, once you get 30 or 40 people pushing their cheap router's limits and fighting for 5Mb of bandwidth, it's no longer a practical service.

It only works cheaply because it's not ubiquitous.
I didn't get that out of the remark.
The remark was: "Free Universal wifi access is simpler, involves less negotiation, is attractive to every hardware owner and is the emerging paradigm."

The only way it's "free" is if the cost is passed on to all customers. It may not be a significant expense individually, but in the aggregate, if every shop deploys wireless networks, we're talking about millions of dollars per year in costs and the complete extinguishing of negotiable channels. It might only work out to $20 per resident per year, but consumers and taxpayers complain about things that cost them pennies each year, and a slow, high-interference mess of hotspots isn't a worthwhile service at any price.

Using professional-grade equipment instead of a thousand DLink routers is the only responsible, stable, and practical approach from an architectural standpoint. It's also cheaper in the long run to invest in a real high-capacity wireless infrastructure--and doing so requires individuals to pay or taxpayers to foot the multi-billion dollar bill. You already pay your home ISP for your own access--why not just embrace a model which allows you to take that account with you when you leave your house, and let the ISP foot the bill?

You get better, faster, more reliable service and no configuration hassles or a big stack of unnecessary one-off accounts or saving a bunch of network configurations, and you don't have to worry about signal interference except from your residential neighbors. It's a win all around.

I also didn't say that Starbuck's coffee is overpriced. I have no opinion about that at all, if only because I don't drink the stuff.
You said it was $4.00, it's $1.50. If your drink is $4.00, it's not a cup of coffee. Your implication was that their prices are high enough to support free wifi, indicating that you feel their profit margin should be lowered as a result. We all know from experience that no business will cut its margins unless it expects to make up the difference in volume. Starbucks has deemed that unlikely at the present time, or they'd do it. Personally, I don't drink coffee.
I was simply pointing out that services of this kind bring in customers.
If the costs exceed the profits from new customers, doing so is a mistake. Starbucks wifi hotspots aren't cheap to operate, and for their ordinary clientele, the reduction in service quality would probably cause them to lose sales by switching to free wifi.

Since many customers already have a wifi access plan through their cell phone, home Internet, or business account, and most commercial hotspots allow code-sharing (i.e. T-Mobile users can sign onto AT&T hotspots and their T-Mobile plan is charged directly), it doesn't ultimately cost them. Further, limited-term free access is available to customers who purchase something. No one is burdened by Starbucks' system except people who want to sit in the parking lot and leech.
 
Gone, Daddy Gone... for now

Looks like the free iPhone access at ATT wifi hotspots is being yanked. Probably because so many ways to be hacked via alternative methods.

Doesn't matter for me since I have their DSL so I can get wifi free. Sweet!

Can't wait for the 3G iPhone because a wifi vs. 3g connection won't make too much of a difference..
 
For one base station in one corner coffee shop, that's true. But add in the thousands of businesses in a medium-size city and that marginal cost begins to shoot up. And then, if every store starts doing it, it occupies all available channels and home users can't get a signal in their own house because of a crowded spectrum. Then, once you get 30 or 40 people pushing their cheap router's limits and fighting for 5Mb of bandwidth, it's no longer a practical service.

Well that's all very interesting, but it's got nothing to do with what I was saying.
 
Well that's all very interesting, but it's got nothing to do with what I was saying.
No, but it seems the rest of the post (which happens to be the bulk of it) does.

The funny thing is, the equipment isn't even theirs. Starbucks doesn't even manage the access points, and I don't think they would bother to setup in-store wi-fi if they didn't have it already. It seems more like they're letting AT&T (formerly T-Mobile) set up shop in their stores for a cut of the profits/rent so that AT&T can advertise having a system of wi-fi spots in locations people go to everyday.

As for the shutdown of free wi-fi; yeah, not surprised. If/when it comes back on, I bet it really will authenticate against the IMEI or phone number in hardware and not depend on people to punch in their phone number themselves.
 
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