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Free Custom Ringtones in iTunes 7.4.2
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There's so many threads in so many places about ringtones right now, so my question is this:
Is there a way, right now, to add custom, self-made ringtones to iTunes 7.4.2 and have them sync through iTunes to my iPhone and have them usable on my iPhone if I have an unprotected mp3 or ACC file I would like to use? And if so, how is the way to do it?
Is there a way, right now, to add custom, self-made ringtones to iTunes 7.4.2 and have them sync through iTunes to my iPhone and have them usable on my iPhone if I have an unprotected mp3 or ACC file I would like to use? And if so, how is the way to do it?
Wow now thats a name drop, that would be a sick game to play and pass the time
EV phone home
If this isn't a subtle plug, I don't know what is!
Oh, Welch... Say hello to Hector for me.
P.S. Since you guys are all iPhone savvy now, hows about porting some of your delicious games to be all iPhone-friendly? Don't make me say it.............. Escape Velocity...............
Damn, I said it.
-Clive at Five
(a.k.a. Super Ant)
heh... I'm surprised you didn't add "massively multiplayer"
The problem -- or I should say "challenge" -- with the iPhone is picking games that will adapt well to it. I can't imagine anything more painful than trying to play EV with the touch interface that the iPhone offers.
We'd love to do an iPhone game... but the reality is that unless we came up with a self-contained, easy to use installer for the game, as well as a game that would lend itself well to the iPhone's UI, it wouldn't make much sense to do one.
heh... I'm surprised you didn't add "massively multiplayer"
The problem -- or I should say "challenge" -- with the iPhone is picking games that will adapt well to it. I can't imagine anything more painful than trying to play EV with the touch interface that the iPhone offers.
We'd love to do an iPhone game... but the reality is that unless we came up with a self-contained, easy to use installer for the game, as well as a game that would lend itself well to the iPhone's UI, it wouldn't make much sense to do one.
hahaha MMOEV on the iPhone. What a joke that would be.
No, no, you're right, EV would be impossible to implement on the iPhone... as well as anything that would require repetative fast clicking... which happens to describe many of your games.
I just miss the thrill of a new EV gaming experience!
hmm... maybe you could tap into the tilt-sensors and use them to steer in a "Mars Rising"-style game. Then you'd only have the issues of firing....
Heh, okay, I'm only dreaming. And it's all for naught. I don't even have an iPhone!
Anyway, I'm totally going to go home and play EV tonight. Thanks a lot, jerk.
-Clive
back to ringtones
So back to ringtone, I honestly think that getting the files into iTunes is the way to go ... the question is how to do that. It is obvious that there are holes in iTunes to allow this because of the hacks of 7.4 and 7.4.1. In looking at Apple's procedure to create a ringtone requires you to A: buy a song (or have bought a song) and B: buy a ringtone of that song. in the original 7.4 hacks the ringtone could not exist with the original song in the same library. Could it be that having the two is now a requirement? (along with the id tags) Since it would seem that you should have the whole song in your library along with the ringtone to make it work.
Just an idea ...j
As for me, Steve can suck my big-one before I'll buy a ringtone from him. I don't even care for having music snippits as a ringtone. I'd rather have more obscure sounds that should be free.
So back to ringtone, I honestly think that getting the files into iTunes is the way to go ... the question is how to do that. It is obvious that there are holes in iTunes to allow this because of the hacks of 7.4 and 7.4.1. In looking at Apple's procedure to create a ringtone requires you to A: buy a song (or have bought a song) and B: buy a ringtone of that song. in the original 7.4 hacks the ringtone could not exist with the original song in the same library. Could it be that having the two is now a requirement? (along with the id tags) Since it would seem that you should have the whole song in your library along with the ringtone to make it work.
Just an idea ...j
As for me, Steve can suck my big-one before I'll buy a ringtone from him. I don't even care for having music snippits as a ringtone. I'd rather have more obscure sounds that should be free.
I am trying to install iTunes 7.4.1 but it won't let me saying I have a newer version installed. If I uninstall iTunes 7.4.2 will I lose setting and then will it complain about my iPhone being synced with another computer?
Same Resukts
Hi Guys: Kudos for the great job, unfortunatelly, I have the same result as alep85, the ringtones appeared in my itunes and also were added to the ringtones tab of the iphone and they are being copied, although nothing appears on the ringtones sync option and they won't show up on my iphone when i try to look for them. The weird thing is that you see the ringtones are being copied to the iphone, but where are they ended up?
maxrdc
Hi Guys: Kudos for the great job, unfortunatelly, I have the same result as alep85, the ringtones appeared in my itunes and also were added to the ringtones tab of the iphone and they are being copied, although nothing appears on the ringtones sync option and they won't show up on my iphone when i try to look for them. The weird thing is that you see the ringtones are being copied to the iphone, but where are they ended up?
maxrdc
Sucky...You know what that means...None of us have to upgrade to 7.4.2...until they upgrade the iPhone Firmware to 1.1.1, Then it will require you to upgrade.
So i guess you have to ask yourself: Free Ringtones or the features that 1.1.1 brings. Personally, I'll take the free ringtones, he can keep his international keyboard.
So i guess you have to ask yourself: Free Ringtones or the features that 1.1.1 brings. Personally, I'll take the free ringtones, he can keep his international keyboard.
Thats a great article. Thank you for posting it. As a musician I have working knowledge of the copyright laws and the RIAA "SWAT team" mindset. I have tried to explain this to numerous folks on other forums and they don't always get. I guess its just easier to point the finger at Apple.
Craig
I disagree with the gobs of red tape issue because Apple is already letting us add things to the library that they don't know if we acquired legally or illegally.
Today:
Ringtones: Only available for purchase through the iTunes Music Store.
Music: Add your own music in the form of Mp3/ACC or buy from the iTunes Music Store.
These are identical features. There are people out there who are creating their own music in GarageBand and adding it to their iTunes Library. There are people out there who are ripping their own CDs and adding it to their iTunes Library, but at this point, there is no one out there with the ability to create their own ringtone and add it to their iTunes Library. There's also no way to purchase a ringtone from another vendor and copy it into the iTunes Library. Imagine if Apple only let you store music that was purchased through the iTunes Music Store? The RIAA doesn't own "Ringtones".
I think that a way that Apple can get around this "red tape" is by having a feature in GarageBand that automates the process of creating a 30 second ringtone in GarageBand and then a menu option to "Export to iPhone (Ringtone)". We have the feature in Quicktime "Export to iPhone" and "Export to AppleTV". Where's the RIAA in this feature? Do we have the right to convert a quicktime file into something viewable on the AppleTV or iPhone? This way they can look at the RIAA and say "Look, we're forcing people to pay royalities on Ringtones for you guys, but we're not going to hinder our users from creating their own. We're a company that tells its users to be creative. We're not going to stall the creative process."
Today:
Ringtones: Only available for purchase through the iTunes Music Store.
Music: Add your own music in the form of Mp3/ACC or buy from the iTunes Music Store.
These are identical features. There are people out there who are creating their own music in GarageBand and adding it to their iTunes Library. There are people out there who are ripping their own CDs and adding it to their iTunes Library, but at this point, there is no one out there with the ability to create their own ringtone and add it to their iTunes Library. There's also no way to purchase a ringtone from another vendor and copy it into the iTunes Library. Imagine if Apple only let you store music that was purchased through the iTunes Music Store? The RIAA doesn't own "Ringtones".
I think that a way that Apple can get around this "red tape" is by having a feature in GarageBand that automates the process of creating a 30 second ringtone in GarageBand and then a menu option to "Export to iPhone (Ringtone)". We have the feature in Quicktime "Export to iPhone" and "Export to AppleTV". Where's the RIAA in this feature? Do we have the right to convert a quicktime file into something viewable on the AppleTV or iPhone? This way they can look at the RIAA and say "Look, we're forcing people to pay royalities on Ringtones for you guys, but we're not going to hinder our users from creating their own. We're a company that tells its users to be creative. We're not going to stall the creative process."
I both agree and disagree with you to a point.
First off, I am by no means siding with the RIAA. The major label recording industry has been in a flat spin since the inception of the "digital music revolution" and they are all grasping at any threads they can get their paws on.
I think with the iPod/iTunes, Apple had no choice but to offer a product that was open to usage of both copy-protected and un-protected files. Imagine if you will the success of the iPod had it been designed to ONLY play music which had been purchased via the iTunes store. Do you think it would be the cultural mainstay that it is today? Once Apple got into the music retailing business (iTunes Store) they had no choice but to comply with copyright laws, hence the DRM locked iTunes files and restrictions.
With the iPhone's ringtones you are dealing with a peripheral function of the device; i.e. the iPhone is not a "ringtone player". Add to that the longterm and often rocky relationships that Apple has with the different record labels. Apple has to choose its battles and I am not sure that offering unchecked ringtone creation abilities at the cost of "rocking the boat" is a fight they wanna get into.
The RIAA/record labels see the ringtone market as another "thread" on which to grasp and they are surely pressuring Apple to accommodate them. I understand your example of the Quicktime features and my only guess is that its one of the many holes the the "RIAA road crew" has yet to attempt to patch. I know that their big argument with ringtones is that since most ringtones are audible in public places it constitutes a "public performance" vs. a song you listen to via headphones (private use). Perhaps the video copying issue is falling close enough to the private usage tree that they aren't worried about it yet.
In regards to making your own ringtones (i.e. from Garage Band or using your own voice), I am not sure there is a sure fire way for Apple to enable this without opening a back door to illegal ringtones. I am sure it could be developed, but it doesn't seem to be a priority at the moment.
All in all, the copyright issues are sticky ones and the business that surrounds them is even stickier. Apple has to be careful not to bite the hand that feeds them, so-to-speak.
Craig
I never thought about it from a "Public Performance" perspective. You do have a very valid point there. Perhaps I'm not as saavy as the businessmen at the RIAA. I feel that having a 30 second ringtone is an example of "free advertising" for the artist. For instance, I'm a fairly mainstream music guy, but the person in the cubicle next to me has a ringtone of "Copacabana". I downloaded the song last night and made it into a ringtone and dropped it into my iPhone just to be as annoying as her and get a laugh. A 30 second teaser of popular music may remind people that "Oh yeah, I really want to own that song".
I understand that Apple has to pick it's battles, but at $0.99 I think they have already proved to the record labels that people are WILLING to pay for that kind of convenience. By locking out legitimate users, they are actually encouraing piracy of ringtones due to the public outcry. There are more articles on how to circumvent ringtone protection now which creates awareness. If there was a legitimate way to create your own ringtone there wouldn't be nearly as many articles out there.
Currently Apple's primary method of discourging the use of pirated music is to have a warning box that comes up that says "Don't Steal Music". And in the fine print on every iPod, it says "Don't Steal Music". Time to revise the fine print to say "And Don't Steal Ringtones" and open up that back door for legitimate users.
At this point, I would be perfectly happy to pay $0.99 to create my own ringtone in garageband, where the money goes into a slush fund that is distributed to the RIAA...or the poor...or AIDS research or something like that. I don't care, just give me my functionality!
Actually I was just being funny, but seriously, with this Product {RED} thing the RIAA could get some great free press if they jointly enter into a promotion with Apple to create a Ringtone {RED} product where you pay $0.99 to create your own ringtone and all proceeds are donated to AIDS research. It's a drop in the bucket for most consumers and people would be hard pressed to complain about helping people with AIDS.
I understand that Apple has to pick it's battles, but at $0.99 I think they have already proved to the record labels that people are WILLING to pay for that kind of convenience. By locking out legitimate users, they are actually encouraing piracy of ringtones due to the public outcry. There are more articles on how to circumvent ringtone protection now which creates awareness. If there was a legitimate way to create your own ringtone there wouldn't be nearly as many articles out there.
Currently Apple's primary method of discourging the use of pirated music is to have a warning box that comes up that says "Don't Steal Music". And in the fine print on every iPod, it says "Don't Steal Music". Time to revise the fine print to say "And Don't Steal Ringtones" and open up that back door for legitimate users.
At this point, I would be perfectly happy to pay $0.99 to create my own ringtone in garageband, where the money goes into a slush fund that is distributed to the RIAA...or the poor...or AIDS research or something like that. I don't care, just give me my functionality!
Actually I was just being funny, but seriously, with this Product {RED} thing the RIAA could get some great free press if they jointly enter into a promotion with Apple to create a Ringtone {RED} product where you pay $0.99 to create your own ringtone and all proceeds are donated to AIDS research. It's a drop in the bucket for most consumers and people would be hard pressed to complain about helping people with AIDS.
You could see the 30 second or less ringtone as an "advertisement", but any profits coming from that angle would be VERY transparent/intangible to a record company. Whereas, if they drectly charge for the ringtone they are getting a hard profit from the ringtone AND it still has the ability to generate income down the road from potentially luring a new listener. Greedy? Maybe. Logical? Yes.
[devil's advocate]
"Nonsense! How could we possibly know that the song file being used to make the ringtone was obtained legitimately in the first place?!?! We can't possibly risk condoning the legal use of illegal material!
[/devil's advocate]
I can already hear a similar statement coming from an RIAA lawyer on the day that Apple launches a feature such as you describe. Right now, the only way to "be sure" of conformity with the laws is to enforce the "buy twice" practice.
Charities aside, the record companies would never be happy with a generic compensation system which didn't track specific artist/label sources and payees. Imagine how ugly it would get if say Madonna dropped a new single which EVERYONE decided to pay the 99 cents to use as a ringtone (and the money went into the slush fund). Then, Warner Bros would have to share the money with Universal, EMI, Virgin, etc. I can safely say that there is a better chance of Hilary Clinton and Monica Lewinsky teaming up to do porn, than have record companies profit share!
Craig
Stop making so much sense. You're killing my pipedreams of an ideal world in which people behave and don't abuse legitimate systems!
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Ok I have been doing this all day, I got it to work. I found a site with old i tunes versions, went back to 7.4 the change tag methods didnt work.... so I got the makeiphone ringtone from amobea... BUt i had to create aac files using itunes.... found some sites on instructions, i'll paste what i remeber but a few google searches and i ran across alot of old instructions, 7.4 and 7.4.1 .....just edit your audio...get it into i tunes.... in itunes turn the file into aac....then just find it in the folder in itunes and drag it to the ringtone maker....it worked...... need help . send me email... I will try my best..... now lets see if i can find these links....
https://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/09/13/ringtonator-and-proper-ringtone-files/
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/utm/posts/Article/MakeiPhoneRingtone-2007-09-13-15-00.html
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/07/simple-hackery-enables-free-itunes-ringtones/
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/freebies/
http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2007/09/ringtone_hacks
http://mac.oldapps.com/itunes.php
noall666@hotmail.com
Ok I have been doing this all day, I got it to work. I found a site with old i tunes versions, went back to 7.4 the change tag methods didnt work.... so I got the makeiphone ringtone from amobea... BUt i had to create aac files using itunes.... found some sites on instructions, i'll paste what i remeber but a few google searches and i ran across alot of old instructions, 7.4 and 7.4.1 .....just edit your audio...get it into i tunes.... in itunes turn the file into aac....then just find it in the folder in itunes and drag it to the ringtone maker....it worked...... need help . send me email... I will try my best..... now lets see if i can find these links....
https://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/09/13/ringtonator-and-proper-ringtone-files/
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/utm/posts/Article/MakeiPhoneRingtone-2007-09-13-15-00.html
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/07/simple-hackery-enables-free-itunes-ringtones/
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/freebies/
http://www.wired.com/software/coolapps/news/2007/09/ringtone_hacks
http://mac.oldapps.com/itunes.php
noall666@hotmail.com