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As long as T-Mobile lets any and all apps that stream video have access to the free data for users, I don't see a problem with it.

They do but there are technical reqs the streams have to be capable of (like downgrading to lower res). If those are met they are added. There is a signup form for providers that explains it

Quite clever and fair if true
 
That would not be about net neutrality, but about abuse of dominance or collusion. In some regions/countries, you often don't have much to choose when it comes to providers. Bundling two services together can be bad for competition too.

It can be, depending, but at the same time it allows for ISPs to compete on more than just the quality of their service. The important thing is you still have the choice to choose what you want to use without the ISP getting in the way.

To me, a package deal like what I demonstrated above is far less of an abuse of position than allowing one service free reign over a specific network at the exclusion of the others.
 
To me, a package deal like what I demonstrated above is far less of an abuse of position than allowing one service free reign over a specific network at the exclusion of the others.

Of course, that is a blatant violation of the net neutrality and should not be allowed. I actually don't want any provider treating bits differently, regardless whether it is good or bad (which is almost always a matter of perspective anyway).

However, I personally do not like these package deals either, at all. The problem with bundling is that you are entangling multiple markets and make it harder for competitors in any of these markets as well as for consumers to put sufficient constraints upon strong companies. It works for each side: Consumers might be swayed by this Spotify offer, even though the Internet service itself may not be as good as a competitor's. That's bringing more complexity to consumers and makes it easier for companies to get away with uncompetitive services. Competitors, especially new entrants, might find it harder to get a foothold in the market, because a strong company like T-Mobile has money to spend to sugarcoat the deal, even if the entrant might have a better Internet service. There is a danger that large companies like T-Mobile can always rig the game in their favour. This is why European competition laws are typically much stricter about this sort of behaviour.
 
I wonder if allowing "free unlimited data" through these programs is a form of favoritism? When all the other stuff is limited by bandwidth available, then it looks like video data is given preference. Or at least that is one possible reading of it.

Going to be interesting to see where this goes.
 
Which is stupid. If Spotify wants to pay T-Mobile to promote their service, why not?
Are you meaning promote as in advertise? That is not an issue at all. If you are meaning promote by giving Spotify normal or faster speeds and throttling other services like Apple Music so they are difficult to use then that is a problem that the FCC can step in to address because T-Mobile would be violating Net Neutrality. I think the current setup that they are doing is on the edge, but on the legal side. But it is good that the FCC is doing their job and looking into it.
 
I think it's funny that the usual bunch of anti regulation laissez-faire people are arguing against restrictions that allow the one truest form of laissez-faire capitalism the world has seen to be gamed by those who merely provide the gateway to it.
I think most of those people are for regulation when it helps big business, and only against it when the regulations work to level the playing field and allow smaller companies to successfully compete.
 
This is why net neutrality is stupid. It leads to micromanagement by regulators.
You couldn't have it more backward. This is why net neutrality is good. The FCC is ensuring that these companies aren't giving preferential treatment to some content over others, and they are praising these companies for doing things the right way. For example, if T-Mobile said WatchESPN streaming didn't count but Fox Sports Go did, that wouldn't be fair and they'd need to step in. They're simply doing their job and doing it well.
 
They aren't giving the content away. You still have to be paying for those other services and can be watched/listened to on other devices. Just the ability to stream then over data is free. No diff from streaming over WiFi in this case.



I see what you are saying here. Would be curious to know this as well. Does the fact that all these services are available on other platforms affect this decision?

No, it doesn't. I'm concerned with new entrants being unfairly blocked from the benefit of the zero-rating, to the benefit of larger established content providers. Whether or not they choose to be available on this platform but not that platform is irrelevant - that is their business choice to make. That doesn't play into whether its fair to give big players a competetive edge that is out of reach of new entrants.
 
I don't think people here realize exactly how this data becomes "free". This isn't T-Mobile doing you some solid. This is content providers PAYING to make their data transfer free on a particular network. This hurts the consumer and it creates a HUGE barrier to entry for startups. I worked in the CDN entry during the height of the Netflix / Comcast battle. Comcast screwed over our traffic to try to squeeze money out of Netflix. All that money that Netflix ended up paying to Comcast comes from somewhere. Free is never free.
 
I don't think people here realize exactly how this data becomes "free". This isn't T-Mobile doing you some solid. This is content providers PAYING to make their data transfer free on a particular network. This hurts the consumer and it creates a HUGE barrier to entry for startups. I worked in the CDN entry during the height of the Netflix / Comcast battle. Comcast screwed over our traffic to try to squeeze money out of Netflix. All that money that Netflix ended up paying to Comcast comes from somewhere. Free is never free.
Nobody is paying T-Mobile to make their streaming free.
 
I think it's funny that the usual bunch of anti regulation laissez-faire people are arguing against restrictions that allow the one truest form of laissez-faire capitalism the world has seen to be gamed by those who merely provide the gateway to it.

ISPs should only be allowed to do one thing for me: charge me access to the internet at large. I don't want them picking and choosing what gets to me, what doesn't, and what I have to pay more for based upon nothing but their own whims.

What do you know? Using logic on the forums, not a good practice to get into. People against net neutrality absolutely blow me away. They're the same individuals that will then turn around and call BS on any monopoly in sight.
 
I think the AT&T and Comcast ones may be problematic,

As long as I can choose any one of four cell-phone providers in my area, competition generally solves most problems. Especially if T-Mobile is one of the providers, since it competes directly on price.

Unfortunately, most homes in the U.S. have one major high-speed wired provider-- Comcast, OR, ... I'm fortunate to have another provider available, which I prefer to the local cable monopoly. The market has failed when it comes to last-mile high-speed providers to the home-- most people are stuck with monopolies. That is why Net Neutrality (somewhat of a misnomer, really -- the real issue is last-mile provider neutrality) is important. A bunch of Free Market Fundamentalists have posted here-- ignoring the existing monopoly in last mile providers.
 
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I hate the government and wish I still lived in the 1400s.

Yes, I'm sure you would have had a hot time with the auto-de-fé.

But if you really want to simulate that 15th century experience, you might start by unplugging from the Internet-- a 20th century innovation, courtesy of the US government.
 
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Because T-Mobile gives you access.

Let's look at an analogy. Imagine if Samsung pays your electric company so that its TVs and only its TVs get free electricity. Would you approve of that?

So what? Most BOGO sales are co-marketing efforts. What makes wireless Internet so special that the government imposes price controls?
 
Competition is what lowers prices in America, which is a plus for the American consumer. Government is like, "well, we can't have any of that going on here, can we? Let's launch an investigation."
 
I see T-mobile got bandwidth to spare, why not let people use it? As long as it's streamable with lag, I don't see any reason to ask questions. If you want unlimited, there's still unlimited data plan for people who want to stream other services not supported like youtube. Since you don't get charged for overages and drop to 4G, it should still be streamable with less quality.
 
The numbskull internet was all for the so-called "net neutrality" rules, not realizing that hating Comcast isn't the basis of policy. The net neutrality rules are really an FCC power grab...and here we are. It's not an investigation yet...but it could become one, unless the telco's play ball.

In this instance, the wisdom of the crowds is stupidity.
 
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