French Consumer Fraud Group Investigating Apple for 'Alleged Deception' and 'Planned Obsolescence'

[-BigMac-]

I would love to keep the original iOS that came either with my iPhone, iPad or Apple Watch ... but I can't. Now and then, devices are wiped and factory restored for a number of reasons. Now, how do I install the original iOS to the device a few years later? I can't. I have to install whatever iOS Apple allows me to be installed on my device.

Unavoidable indeed.
Unless your stance is that outdated, unsecure, unsupported OS releases should be available. Which poses a HUGE security/stability risk for unaware users- should be available for download and use, then there is no way around this.

Before you say, yes, those OS releases should be supported.. Even Windows XP has now been dropped..

 

[Ladybug]

Unavoidable indeed.
Unless your stance is that outdated, unsecure, unsupported OS releases should be available. Which poses a HUGE security/stability risk for unaware users- should be available for download and use, then there is no way around this.

Before you say, yes, those OS releases should be supported.. Even Windows XP has now been dropped..

I don't think using Windows XP helps your argument. XP was supported with security updates for 12 years. Apple doesn't provide security only updates. What we get are new features along with updates that over burden the hardware Apple sold us just a year ago. At some point you have to ask yourself who benefits from this.

 

[-BigMac-]

I don't think using Windows XP helps your argument. XP was supported with security updates for 12 years. Apple doesn't provide security only updates. What we get are new features along with updates that over burden the hardware Apple sold us just a year ago. At some point you have to ask yourself who benefits from this.

It still works for my point.
Companies dont support their OS ‘forever more’. There is a shelf life.
My point was well explained thereafter with updating and maintaining one fine tuned OS version rather than splitting their focus between 11 OS systems (yes.. a first gen iPhone owner can complain just like yourself. How come the default OS is no longer downloadable). Its a pathetic stance on the debate, full of short comings and unrealistic expectations.

Does Xbox FORCE you to have the newest software to play xbox live? Yes.

Does Playstation force you to update to newest version to play online? Yes.

Do you have a choice of which features are installed as part of the updates? No.

Do they allow you to downgrade? Maybe. But half the reason you bought your console, wont be accessible.

Awaiting response.

 

[deckard666]

[SARCASM]
Yep, because Apple's throttling is sued and investigated worldwide at the moment, the whole world must consist of loonies right? Assuming Apple can do anything wrong is already a loony thought in itself...
[/SARCASM]

I am just asking as I have seen no figures of how much effect this has on my iPhone 6 on a daily, weekly, monthly basis - is it .01, 10 or 50% throttling as if its below say 10% I have zero interest....

 

[Ladybug]

It still works for my point.
Companies dont support their OS ‘forever more’. There is a shelf life.
My point was well explained thereafter with updating and maintaining one fine tuned OS version rather than splitting their focus between 11 OS systems (yes.. a first gen iPhone owner can complain just like yourself. How come the default OS is no longer downloadable). Its a pathetic stance on the debate, full of short comings and unrealistic expectations.

Does Xbox FORCE you to have the newest software to play xbox live? Yes.

Does Playstation force you to update to newest version to play online? Yes.

Do you have a choice of which features are installed as part of the updates? No.

Do they allow you to downgrade? Maybe. But half the reason you bought your console, wont be accessible.

Awaiting response.

I guess we have a difference of opinion then. I wasn't discussing the Xbox or Playstation.

My point was that Apple could support these devices with security updates seperate from the updates that also add features. I think it's a reasonable request for a device up to 3 years from date of sale. Apple stills sells the 6S. Surely Apple doesn't intend the shelf life to be only one year.

Apple only needs two versions of updates, security or security plus features. You missed my whole point earlier in that Windows XP doesn't help your argument because they provided security updates for 12 years and that included thousands of different configurations of hardware. iOS only has a few devices to support.

 

[I7guy]

I guess we have a difference of opinion then. I wasn't discussing the Xbox or Playstation.

My point was that Apple could support these devices with security updates seperate from the updates that also add features. I think it's a reasonable request for a device up to 3 years from date of sale. Apple stills sells the 6S. Surely Apple doesn't intend the shelf life to be only one year.

Apple only needs two versions of updates, security or security plus features. You missed my whole point earlier in that Windows XP doesn't help your argument because they provided security updates for 12 years and that included thousands of different configurations of hardware. iOS only has a few devices to support.

12 years in the mobile market it’s back to flip phones. So instead of 12 years Apple provides support for 5 years. Considering the market Seems like Apple is pretty fair.

 

[-BigMac-]

I guess we have a difference of opinion then. I wasn't discussing the Xbox or Playstation.

My point was that Apple could support these devices with security updates seperate from the updates that also add features. I think it's a reasonable request for a device up to 3 years from date of sale. Apple stills sells the 6S. Surely Apple doesn't intend the shelf life to be only one year.

Apple only needs two versions of updates, security or security plus features. You missed my whole point earlier in that Windows XP doesn't help your argument because they provided security updates for 12 years and that included thousands of different configurations of hardware. iOS only has a few devices to support.

I never stated you were discussing xbox or playstation. I used it as an example of how ridiculous the expectations you have for Apple are, despite almost every software and hardware manufacturer in the world doing exactly the same thing in one way or another.

If you throw Apple under the bus with these expectations - you have to throw all the other companies there too.

At which case - you just hate on every tech company which doesnt support your dated hardware. Well theres a simple fix for that isnt there.

Update your hardware or put up with it. :/

 

[deferredAnon]

Update your hardware or put up with it. :/

"Buy our latest model or be slowed down."

Yeah, that is exactly what this is about. Exactly why people are pissed off.

 

[I7guy]

"Buy our latest model or be slowed down."

Yeah, that is exactly what this is about. Exactly why people are pissed off.

It’s easy to file a lawsuit....harder to win it. Unless some of these are thrown out of court, these lawsuits could take yeasts to settle.

My own philosophy is i update when a new mode has features that benefit me. My two year old laptop was killed by windows 10. Not updating because it’s slower, will update when it’s no longer viable.

 

[Ladybug]

I never stated you were discussing xbox or playstation. I used it as an example of how ridiculous the expectations you have for Apple are, despite almost every software and hardware manufacturer in the world doing exactly the same thing in one way or another.

If you throw Apple under the bus with these expectations - you have to throw all the other companies there too.

At which case - you just hate on every tech company which doesnt support your dated hardware. Well theres a simple fix for that isnt there.

Update your hardware or put up with it. :/

This is really silly. I never threw Apple under the bus nor does expecting Apple to support their devices after the sale constitute hate. There is nothing ridiculous about it. My iPhone 8 can hardly be called outdated. Nor is my older 6S which is still sold by Apple outdated or Apple wouldn't still sell them. It also doesn't concern me what other tech companies do, I bought my phone from Apple...We will have to just agree to disagree then. Good day.

 

[newellj]

I am just asking as I have seen no figures of how much effect this has on my iPhone 6 on a daily, weekly, monthly basis - is it .01, 10 or 50% throttling as if its below say 10% I have zero interest....

Unless you're running a benchmark program like GeekBench or a game that hammers the CPU, the throttling is going to be temporally transitory (in other words, will happen only for really, really short periods of time). I think there are huge questions about how Apple handled this, but I don't think the actual result is worth all the discussion. My wife is still using a 6. As best I can figure with GeekBench it's not being throttled. It is, however, often painfully slow. My best guess is that the issue is that the 6 was the last iPhone with 1GB of RAM and that this is the reason for it's lackluster (sometimes worse) performance. And for that, the only solution really is buy a new(er) phone.

 

[-BigMac-]

"Buy our latest model or be slowed down."

Yeah, that is exactly what this is about. Exactly why people are pissed off.

Refer to my previous detailed comments for details on why i BELIEVE this is okay and common in the industry

 

[deferredAnon]

Refer to my previous detailed comments for details on why i BELIEVE this is okay and common in the industry

Not in America.

 

[-BigMac-]

Not in America.

Do Sony and Microsoft not operate in America?

Please read the content of a conversation before joining it, otherwise it becomes a bunch of confusing comments impossible to follow, thanks

 

[dewski]

You have never known? Do you know millions of people?

Companies don’t care if it’s thin or not, as long as they sell phones. They would make a 5cm thick phone if there was a market for it.

But they do studies, research, tests etc to see what people prefer. The fact no one specifically asked for a thinner phone doesn’t mean much if most people choose the thinner prototype in A/B testing, for example. Also, people often say one thing but their wallets say a different thing.

The truth is we don’t have the data and everything we think people want is biased and based around our personal circles. The one and only reason Apple is making thin, premium phones is because they believe people want them, not because they have some agenda or anything. And based on the number of phones they sell, I can only imagine they are pretty good at guessing what people want.

Do you honestly believe they are deliberately making a phone different from what people want just because they prefer it another way? That’s not how you run a succesful business.

I am just saying that no one really cares. If people prefer phones that happen to be thin over phones that are thicker, that doesnt really mean the thinness of the phone is what made their decision for them. Also, if you said " it can be this thin and last 24 hours for this thick and it last 40 hours." which will they choose? I believe the latter.

 

[aevan]

Also, if you said " it can be this thin and last 24 hours for this thick and it last 40 hours." which will they choose? I believe the latter.

Well, Apple believes they will choose the former. That’s how it is, like it or not.