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Many Americans just do not understand that they are being robbed by rich every day. Take you for example. You live in Florida and you think that your state is doing better than other states because it's a right to work state. The reality is that Florida has 8.8% unemployment which is higher than USA average. It's a 39th place in USA charts - one of the worst.

And while state taxes do not flow out of state, federal taxes do. And most of the states subsidized by US government are red states.

This is correct. Also as a side, while there may be a correlation between right to work state and "doing better". Those gains are only gained because businesses are factoring it in their decision to build factories/businesses. Most of those gains will disappear when all states accepts right to work, and other financial factors are considered in business decisions.
 
Federal is a whole different story. Yes federal money flows into states. Not necessarily bad states or good states it is all up to the representatives to request that.

It is basic wealth redistribution. California gets 78 cents of federal spending per dollar of taxes. Mississippi get 2 dollars. 2005 figures, maybe it has all changed :)
 
Seriously France?

French people just love to strike. In France, a 'full-time' work week is 35 hours and companies are required to give workers 2.5 days of paid vacation each month. That's 5 WEEKS OF PAID LEAVE EVERY YEAR.

But I guess they need those water fountains. :rolleyes:

Those French are way behind the US. I have 6 weeks paid vacation, a water cooler, and an Espresso machine in my office.

I guess they want to live the American dream?
 
Everytime I'm in France, there's some huge strike happening. Post Office. Road workers. Truck drivers. The people always want more and more and they work like they don't need the money and nothing needs to get done. And they all hate their jobs. Christ, retirement age for government workers is like 45 or something. Get bent.
 
OMG, I thought Germany had more sense than that... No wonder the Euro is dragging the world down.

Not exactly. Germany is doing exceptionally well. Keeping your good workers happy is important for any business. Bleeding them dry, not so much ;-)

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I don't know if that was meant as a pun, but you're right.

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How about instead: You work 12, get paid for 12 and the company gives you the entire month of triskadecanuary off?

Do you guys even know what Socialism is?

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Yea, rotten socialist Europe ... how dare they treat their employee's well with pay, benefits and nice long paid holidays ... all that money should be going to the wealthier more deserving executives and shareholders ... just like in USA!!! USA is proof that's how it should be, every one is better off, right?:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

It really is disgusting! Having no safety net, badly paid jobs, no employment protection, no healthcare, no vacation, should be everyones dream! :D
 
Those French are way behind the US. I have 6 weeks paid vacation, a water cooler, and an Espresso machine in my office.

I guess they want to live the American dream?
I know!

How dare they ask for a sane way of life from a company that has the largest profit margins, the largest capitalization and a hippie as its founder?
 
...and the uninformed come out in force...

Things are different here in western Europe. We pay much higher taxes, everything costs a lot more (search for the price of anything and compare it to what we pay) and we end up with a lot less disposable income when compared to a similar job in the US.

As a result of this, we expect a fair trade-off in working conditions.

So yes, some of these things might sound crazy to you guys, but you need to compare it in context.

So these items being requested would be paid for by the government from the taxes gathered then? Otherwise I'm confused as to why an employer should need to provide all these things just because taxes are higher. If the government passed laws that required these things and somehow funded them, then I could see it. But if the employers are required to do it on their own, I would foresee wages dropping.

The 35 hour work week and 5 weeks of vacation allows them to keep employment rates higher (more people to cover the same shifts as compared to other places with longer work weeks and less vacation time).

Trying to remember what my wife's friend (French citizen) said about strikes in France ... something like it's a national pastime :)
 
GDP per person in France is about $23k, in the US about $37k. It doesn't matter how you add up the hours, they produce a lot less per person every year. In a global economy, they are not very competitive.

Strictly speaking a Chinese worker is probably more productive than any of they above in terms of total wealth produced but I doubt that this would show in GDP/p. either way it is a very one dimensional way of evaluating one society vs another.

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This is why I have never seen "Made in France" on any products I own.

What about all those fries or are they still made in Freedom?
 
I speak French, lived in France and worked with French JTAC's in Afghanistan.

Lets just say, I'm not surprised by the demands. Good people, who love their conveniences and leisure; lots of disdain for corporate culture.
 
Excuse me, which promise exactly did he not keep?

Closing Gauntanamo, civilian trials for those we caught instead of shooting on the battlefield. Oh, and unemployment would not exceed 8% if his stimulus was passed. (OK, granted, that last was a prediction.)

Worst of all was his promise to change Washington. I'll grant the Republicans didn't help, but his early attitude that "We won so everything goes our way" didn't show a lot of reaching across the aisle.
 
Huh...you know I've never worked at a place that didn't have either water fountains or water cooler. Do the Apple employees in France have to bring their own drinks? I guess if they're in a mall they can walk down to a water fountain there...curious.

Surely they must have a break room with a water cooler?!
 
Unbelievable

France - if you keep this up your unemployment will be as high and work force participation rate will be as low as the US soon! Don't go there! Turn back!
 
Unbelievable

Protesting "working conditions?" No drinking fountain? No meal vouchers? No free month's pay? Really? They work in an Apple Store, not a sweatshop. Wow. Just wow. :rolleyes:

Water fountains and meal vouchers I could go along with, but paying an extra month's salary?? Non!

13 months of pay? Lol France.

If only these trust-fund kids knew what real world work was.

Hahahaha, 13th month of pay, water fountains, and free food eh? It sounds like things are pretty rough over there.

A thirteenth month of salary? And how much of that goes right back to the union itself in the form of dues? Ridiculous. This is why the modern union has to go.

GD French!!!!

13th month of pay, christ almighty people are getting fat and lazy and entitled.

I suppose it is a credit to "the 1%" that they have conditioned you all through propagana to actually cry out in anger/disgust when workers demand more fair compensation. As American corporations continue to profit off the backs of workers, we are exporting our working conditions to Europe, where workers traditionally enjoyed more vacation time and better benefits than our American corporate masters allow us.

WHY wouldn't you instead ask why YOU don't get an extra thirteenth month of pay? As the most valuable company in the world, with over a hundred billion in cash and billions more in profits rolling in, why not share that success with employees?

Simple. Because it would reduce the amount available for the billionaire executives! You all get what you deserve.

(BTW I love Apple products, and I don't single out Apple - corporate avarus abounds)
 
What a bunch of conservative snobs you all are. Geez, it is in threads like this that American makes a fool of themselves. Yeah, let's give all power so big corporations and let them decide what's best for their workers, what could go wrong? :rolleyes:

And for all of you criticism unions and government control, let's just remember how this global financial crisis started, shall we? because the government wasn't regulating and controlling enough what the bank and "the markets" were doing.

I hope lots of workers join tomorrow the protest and boycott the iPhone launch.
 
Unfortunately, our system is the consequence of bearing the vast majority of research and development costs for pharmaceuticals and therapies, just so you and everyone outside of the US can basically hold a gun to the head of big pharma and say, if you don't give us the drugs at pennies on the dollar, we'll break patent, formulate it over here, and you and your company can go suck eggs. So, I'm glad that cost-shifting it onto backs of Americans allows you to enjoy both free healthcare (at whatever interval your government allows you) and your moral indignation that the brutish American society recognizes that, yes, there is actually a price that can be placed on human life: the price that that human is willing and able, from his or her own means, to pay.

God this thread is tiring, I'll just go for the ad hominem. The conceit demonstrated by some of the contributors to this thread is quite staggering. There seems amongst some the belief that without the beneficence and patronage of the US the rest of the world would still be living in caves.
 
I think it's funny that a lot of people(especially around here) likes to spit on retail employees like they are worth nothing. Never, in any other country have i heard similar hatred towards retail jobs or those who work there.
 
Closing Gauntanamo, civilian trials for those we caught instead of shooting on the battlefield. Oh, and unemployment would not exceed 8% if his stimulus was passed. (OK, granted, that last was a prediction.)

Worst of all was his promise to change Washington. I'll grant the Republicans didn't help, but his early attitude that "We won so everything goes our way" didn't show a lot of reaching across the aisle.

Don't forget that he promised to adopt a rescue dog and he did not!
 
Excuse me, which promise exactly did he not keep?

Are you serious?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

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I suppose it is a credit to "the 1%" that they have conditioned you all through propagana to actually cry out in anger/disgust when workers demand more fair compensation.

Yes, it's those Evil One-Percenters (one of which I am not, unfortunately) keeping a brother down by refusing to pay him for a 13th month.

America: the newest entitlement country. :(
 
A thirteenth month of salary? And how much of that goes right back to the union itself in the form of dues? Ridiculous. This is why the modern union has to go.
No it doesn't and don't talk if you don't know. many of the benefits you receive today is because of unions.:rolleyes:
 
seems like every time I visit Paris the bus/metro drivers are striking, maybe its a hobby for them.

It's France. They're socialist.

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If only these trust-fund kids knew what real world work was.

I've talked with some French people before. The socialism in their country is totally out of hand. Immigrants with some children can make more money with no job (just from pensions) than a private chef. It's a terrible system.

Oh well, at least the French cities are much smarter than the American ones, the drivers much smarter, the people much nicer, and the cars all stick-shift :D. Seriously, the French bike lanes make the American ones look like death traps.
 
Are you serious?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/rulings/promise-broken/

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Yes, it's those Evil One-Percenters (one of which I am not, unfortunately) keeping a brother down by refusing to pay him for a 13th month.

America: the newest entitlement country. :(

I don't think a sense of entitlement is new to the US, I think it is one of the defining aspects of your culture. I don't mean this in a 'socialist' sense but in the sense of if someone wants something they should be able to have it, no matter the consequence. This is a slight overstatement but does represent my experience with friends who happen to be US citizens.
 
seems like every time I visit Paris the bus/metro drivers are striking, maybe its a hobby for them.

I'm calling ******** on that. Last two years we didn't have any major strike and whenever is one I can guarantee you that most people understand it and support it. At least I live in a city where transportation is affordable, with a really extensive metro line and bus services that have discounts for students, the elderly and almost anyone that needs it. It could be better, yes, of course, like everything. You are just stereotyping.
 
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