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Nacho98

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New 16" is 2.6/32/512/5500M (8 GB) and I'm coming from a base mid-2015. Did a clean install and painstakingly installed everything manually and mirrored every setting with my old computer, with the two computers side by side, going through menu by menu.

1) The fit and finish and QC on the new one is outstanding. Not a blemish to be seen. Screen is nice and even and much brighter than my 2015. No backlight bleeding. Trackpad is level, no speaker pop, zero coil whine ever. I feel very lucky. I'm also understanding why the hinge has less resistance than prior models when opening it - it prevents the bottom of the laptop from getting pulled up off the table like can happen with the older models. I can understand why it is this way now, and it's fine. Don't miss the glowing Apple logo like I thought I would.

2) The keyboard takes some getting used to if coming from a 2015 machine, not because of the tactile feel or travel, which are perfectly fine, but rather the larger footprint of each key. Keys are quite a bit bigger than the old keys, and I'm making some mistakes here in the early days. I can tell I will adjust just fine though. Stability of the keys is really nice. Backlight bleed is more than butterfly, but definitely less than the 2015. Keyboard backlighting is a hint more blue than on the 15".

3) Screen is nice, but it is warmer than my 2015. Played with the whitepoint, but ultimately decided Apple got it right. It's warmer, but not in a bad way like most Apple products. Additional screen size doesn't really matter.

4) USB-C ports - I'm impressed with the data speeds, and I was genuinely surprised/pleased to see that cables and peripherals click in with satisfying authority, like lightning. I remember people complaining how sloppy and loose USB-C was by design. This is not my experience.

5) Battery only has two cycles, but capacity is between 98-99% per Coconut. Expecting that to go up and probably in excess of design once it has a few cycles. It was 97.1% out of the box with one cycle, but got better after the one additional cycle I put on it.

6) Speakers and mic are great, but I don't use them so don't really care. But very nice.

7) Touchbar is take it or leave it. I am just running the old brightness/voume/etc. controls like my 2015. But I did modify and toss a couple of those out in favor of a desktop shortcut, a NightShift shortcut, and a screenshot shortcut, so I could see me actually preferring the touchbar. Haptic feedback would be nice, and it would be nice if I could set the Touchbar to never sleep, like the keyboard backlighting.

8) Trackpad could still be 20% smaller and nobody would miss it, but so far I've had no errors from my palms, so less of an issue than I thought it would be.

9) Runs nice and cool and quiet. Temps typically in the low 30C range when just doing a few light tasks.

10) Other - the fact the computer turns on at the press of any key - and more so at the simple action of opening the lid, is ridiculous.

11) Catalina kinda sucks, converting from iTunes to the Music app was brutal and took the better part of 24 hours trying multiple ways to fix album art that disappeared. Ended up doing a second clean install and starting over completely with the whole computer once I figured out how to fix it. I hated iTunes, yet DREADED converting to Music and it was just as awful as I hoped it could be. Glad that's over with now, Music library is clean and perfect and working as it should. Using Finder for your phone is stupid, as is having separate apps for Podcasts and TV IMO.

12) Overall - if you're on a 2015 or older machine, just get this one - this is the one you've been holding out for. Love it.
 
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I have my Finder window set to open to Applications, but when I open a Finder window, it opens to that as it should, but no applications are actually shown (just empty space) unless I click Applications in the sidebar, then they show up.

This sounds like maybe you accidentally selected the Applications folder in your home directory when you set up the preference in Finder.
 
Got the Finder issue sorted, but the album art problem persists.

The only thing that works is manually deleting the artwork and then clicking Get Artwork, album by album, but it can't find like 25% of them, and these are albums and songs bought on iTunes so NO reason for them not to be found. Only thing I can think is they may be tracks where I've edited so g tags, but I've done that for years without issue.

I feel like this must be a simple mispointed directory or something, but it's really bringing this experience down because I just can't finish the setup until I figure out how to get past this.
 
Hearing someone claim that the new 16" is as good as the Retina 2012-2015 Retina line is VERY encouraging and I'm definitely going to take the plunge.

I put my uni-body 2010 to pasture in 2018, I missed the Retina MBP line and was too scared to invest in the TouchBar-Butterfly gen. After selling my 2010 in 2018, I bought a 2017 MacBook Air and it's been adequate but nowhere near as enjoyable as a MBP with a big screen. Looking forward to it.
 
I also came from a 2015 15", I had the higher spec model which had the M370X graphics.

Here are some of my thoughts.

1. For me the brightness on both laptops is the same. But the 16" is P3 colour and you can notice the difference when viewing content and images that have a wider colour profile. The screen on the 16" looks incredible. The pixel response time on the 16" isn't as good as the 2015 15" was, there is some noticeable ghosting but it's not to a degree that bothers me too much, I think I've already gotten used to it.

2. The keyboard, like you said does need some getting used to. It feels nice to me though I really like it and it's an improvement over the 2015 15" in my opinion. I am still making a few typing mistakes after having mine almost a week but I still prefer it, I'm sure I'll get used to it.

3. The large trackpad. At first this really annoyed me because it felt like I had nowhere to rest my hand without touching it but I've naturally readjusted my wrested position and now it's fine. I used to rest my fingers above the trackpad and my thumb below the trackpad on my 2015 15" that's not possible on the new one as there's not enough space between the top of the trackpad and the space bar to rest your fingers without an unintended touchpad touch or a space bar press. But again I adjusted how I rest my hand and it's all good. I now don't mind the larger trackpad size at all.

4. Touch Bar. At first this really annoyed me, I still think it's mostly useless but after installing Better Touch Tool and creating my own buttons and sliders for everything (Screen Brightness, Keyboard Brightness, Sound Level, Media controls etc) which are always visible (I didn't like Apples controls, wanted sliders) I now kinda like it actually, let's say it's growing on me.

5. Speakers are amazing. This is a huge step up from the 2015 15" like just wow do they sound amazing. I do have the popping issue when pausing/scrubbing video but this appears to be fixable in software as simply leaving Quicktime's recorder window open (even when not recording something) stops the popping from happening completely. I'm hoping Apple does a real fix in future, if not I may just develop a background app to accomplish the same thing Quicktime is able to do. If this wasn't easily remedied it'd be a deal breaker but it is, so not bothered about it.

6. As you said, runs cool and quiet. It runs quieter than my 15" did (which I did clean several times a year so it wasn't full of dust bunnies in the heatsinks) under the same load conditions. Really love how well it handles on the dedicated graphics. I have the 5500M in mine and it just screams.

7. Battery life to me seems about the same as my 15" when it was brand new, perhaps a little better. I'm getting 5 hours with the Radeon GPU engaged and normal tasks, full brightness on WiFi (I use Chrome which I know is a battery hog compared to Safari). Still 5 hours for me is quite good with what I do on the laptop, no complaints. I'm sure I could get 9 hours if I turned the brightness down ran on the Intel GPU, switched my browser to Safari and so forth etc

8. USB-C, Thunderbolt 3 etc - I really really love this. Being able to put my laptop on my desk and plug in a single cable which provides the laptop with a wicked fast and stable 1Gb ethernet connection, output to a 4K monitor, provides a high quality audio DAC and charges the laptop at the same time.. that's just wonderful. So convenient.

Overall I love this laptop I think it's a great upgrade for anyone coming from the 2015 15" model that's for sure. Doesn't feel that much bigger and to me the weight seems about the same in my hands, the larger screen is noticeable with the thinner bezels. If I could change a few things sure I'd like the screen to be more responsive, perhaps I'd like an option to buy it without the touch bar completely, maybe I'd make the trackpad a smidge smaller but overall it's great.
 
New 16" is 2.6/32/512/5500M (8 GB) and I'm coming from a base mid-2015. Did a clean install and painstakingly installed everything manually and mirrored every setting with my old computer, with the two computers side by side, going through menu by menu.

1) The fit and finish and QC on the new one is outstanding. Not a blemish to be seen. Screen is nice and even and much brighter than my 2015. No backlight bleeding. Trackpad is level, no speaker pop, zero coil whine ever. I feel very lucky. I'm also understanding why the hinge has less resistance than prior models when opening it - it prevents the bottom of the laptop from getting pulled up off the table like can happen with the older models. I can understand why it is this way now, and it's fine. Don't miss the glowing Apple logo like I thought I would.

2) The keyboard takes some getting used to if coming from a 2015 machine, not because of the tactile feel or travel, which are perfectly fine, but rather the larger footprint of each key. Keys are quite a bit bigger than the old keys, and I'm making some mistakes here in the early days. I can tell I will adjust just fine though. Stability of the keys is really nice. Backlight bleed is more than butterfly, but definitely less than the 2015. Keyboard backlighting is a hint more blue than on the 15".

3) Screen is nice, but it is warmer than my 2015. Played with the whitepoint, but ultimately decided Apple got it right. It's warmer, but not in a bad way like most Apple products. Additional screen size doesn't really matter.

4) USB-C ports - I'm impressed with the data speeds, and I was genuinely surprised/pleased to see that cables and peripherals click in with satisfying authority, like lightning. I remember people complaining how sloppy and loose USB-C was by design. This is not my experience.

5) Battery only has two cycles, but capacity is between 98-99% per Coconut. Expecting that to go up and probably in excess of design once it has a few cycles. It was 97.1% out of the box with one cycle, but got better after the one additional cycle I put on it.

6) Speakers and mic are great, but I don't use them so don't really care. But very nice.

7) Touchbar is take it or leave it. I am just running the old brightness/voume/etc. controls like my 2015. But I did modify and toss a couple of those out in favor of a desktop shortcut, a NightShift shortcut, and a screenshot shortcut, so I could see me actually preferring the touchbar. Haptic feedback would be nice, and it would be nice if I could set the Touchbar to never sleep, like the keyboard backlighting.

8) Trackpad could still be 20% smaller and nobody would miss it, but so far I've had no errors from my palms, so less of an issue than I thought it would be.

9) Runs nice and cool and quiet. Temps typically in the low 30C range when just doing a few light tasks.

10) Other - the fact the computer turns on at the press of any key - and more so at the simple action of opening the lid, is ridiculous.

11) Catalina sucks, and for whatever reason is buggier on this machine than on my 15", and I did that as an upgrade from Mojave as opposed to a clean install like I did on the new 16", so wasn't expecting new issues on this machine compared to the old one.

Namely two issues:

11a) I have my Finder window set to open to Applications, but when I open a Finder window, it opens to that as it should, but no applications are actually shown (just empty space) unless I click Applications in the sidebar, then they show up.

11b) This may be the death of me. I manually copied over my Catalina Music library from my old 15" and put it on the 16", expected no problems as the library is flawless on the 15". The songs and playlists all carried over fine, but album art - for which I have 100% of it on the 15" - does not show up on a single album in album view or on playlist thumbnails. However, if I click Get Info on a song, the artwork is usually in there, though sometimes it is not and is truly lost. But most of the ones I've spot checked are in there, they just for whatever reason won't display in album view or playlist thumbnails, or the thumbnail at the top of the screen when a song is playing. I'm struggling to understand why it's different when it was a lateral and literal copy from one Catalina machine to another, and this is the sole thing preventing me from being completely done setting this up and doing the initial Time Capsule backup. This is a huge drag for me at the moment.

12) Overall - if you're on a 2015 or older machine, just get this one - this is the one you've been holding out for. Love it.
i got an exactly same config one as yours which still on the way , wonder if you do some video editing stuff like me, how does it perform when editing videos
 
i got an exactly same config one as yours which still on the way , wonder if you do some video editing stuff like me, how does it perform when editing videos

I don't do any video editing, but I think you will love this machine.

Few more things:

1) The rubber feet are a little taller than on the 2015 to give the bottom a tad more clearance/heat dissipation, and have a different feel than the 2015. I like them.

2) I think I finally figured out the Music problem. Have to literally right click every single album, go to the artwork tab, drag it to the desktop, delete it from the Info section, and drag it back from the desktop. For the ones where the artwork went missing completely, I will have to drag them to the desktop on my old machine, move them over via USB, and drag them in on the new computer. Enormous hassle for 793 albums, but it looks like this is going to work.

Sadly, I've moved my Music library over from the old computer and deleted it so many times trying to figure out how to fix it that I now feel the need to do another clean install on the new machine...so that's what I'm doing right now, going to be starting over completely. Thanks Apple. :/ But make no mistake fixing the Music is the very first thing I'm doing to make sure it gets fixed before I set anything else up.

3) I'm shocked at how low resolution the Touchbar is.

4) The hinge design is so much nicer on the new one, and it's nice to see the return of the Macbook Pro text at the base of the display.
 
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Where do you see it most? It’s the only potential deal killer for me as well, coming from “God’s MBP” myself...
I see it when I browsing this forum for e.g. esp. in night mode. As I scroll the page, text very visibly "blurs", black becomes very dark green in color, and once scrolling stops, it becomes black again. It's very jarring, unfortunately. And u cannot unsee it once u see it.
 
I see it when I browsing this forum for e.g. esp. in night mode. As I scroll the page, text very visibly "blurs", black becomes very dark green in color, and once scrolling stops, it becomes black again. It's very jarring, unfortunately. And u cannot unsee it once u see it.

I concur with this. It's mostly noticeable when scrolling text heavy pages like this forum.
 
…coming from “God’s MBP” myself...
Blasphemy! God‘s MBP obviously is none other than the mid-2012 Retina MacBook Pro.
Truely the best Mac I‘ve ever had.

re: ghosting – when I looked at the 16“ last wednesday, there was some ghosting, especially with white text on black background. The Screen also had a distinctly yellowish tint to its whites, there‘s a thread about this around here.

apart from this, the new MBP is really nice.
 
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I concur with this. It's mostly noticeable when scrolling text heavy pages like this forum.
Highly noticeable when text is bold - so when u are on the front page of the forum showing thread view is the worst amount of blur...
 
The 16 inch needs to drop the TouchBar, improve the display (ghosting/yellowness/subpar brightness), bring back MagSafe (never going to happen tho), and bundle a USB-A solution so customers don't have to dongle up at their own expense.

Apart from raw compute speed and slightly larger screen, the 2015 MBPr is IMHO closer to the ideal MBP than the 2019 16.
 
I concur with this. It's mostly noticeable when scrolling text heavy pages like this forum.

Could you try something?

In System Preferences, go to General and uncheck the Use font smoothing when avaiable

Please, see if this work. In my 2019 15" I do have ghosts before turning font smoothing off.
 
Could you try something?

In System Preferences, go to General and uncheck the Use font smoothing when avaiable

Please, see if this work. In my 2019 15" I do have ghosts before turning font smoothing off.

It does appear to make a difference, I wouldn't say it removes the ghosting but it's reduced on fonts when scrolling for sure.
 
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Could you try something?

In System Preferences, go to General and uncheck the Use font smoothing when avaiable

Please, see if this work. In my 2019 15" I do have ghosts before turning font smoothing off.
Doesnt make a difference in my case :(
 
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You will have better results if you restart after turning it off.

I don't know Apple keeps this option available in retina screens. It's totally useless.
Ah, ok. Now, after a restart, the font on the webpage (this forum, actually) looks "less bold" and it is indeed somewhat better during scrolling. But still below my bar for acceptance, I think. Also anytime text is infact bold (font-style), like the thread view in this forum, it is still pretty bad.

I just tried my surface book 2, and man, it is a night and day difference :(. The Surface is sooo much smoother and so little ghosting.
 
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