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I just tried my surface book 2, and man, it is a night and day difference :(. The Surface is sooo much smoother and so little ghosting.

It's hard to listen this... :(

I'm in love with the 2019 15" screen. Will stick with her...
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It does appear to make a difference, I wouldn't say it removes the ghosting but it's reduced on fonts when scrolling for sure.

Give your mac a restart...
 
Give your mac a restart...

Already did, didn't change the ghosting. I mean it's not just on text, you can grab a window and drag that around and notice it plain as day etc - It was during the first seconds at the desktop when I opened a finder window and dragged it that I noticed it, it's that prevalent.
 
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Can concur. I’m sooo close to making a decision. I love this machine but my god this refresh rate is such a deal breaker for the price ://

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I've had font smoothing off since Mojave when Apple changed how they anti-aliased fonts; it's not the 16" display, it's the OS.

I took a look at the front page of MR on light mode and scrollled and noticed no ghosting or poor refresh any worse than any other machine and I had my 2015 right next to it, I'm at 60 Hz and didn't experiment. Mine seems fine?

So, the machine is finally fully set up with a clean install for the second time and now I have the Music garbage sorted out completely. I dreaded the transition from Mojave to Catalina on my 2015, and then the transition of my library from one Catalina machine to another, so I'm thrilled to have that behind me and done right.

Machine is now fully backed up to Time Capsule and running like a dream. Cool, quiet, no coil whine ever. No speaker pops. Even screen, bright, no ghosting that I saw when looking for it. No backlight bleed. No scuffs or chips, even trackpad, tight and even display/body gap. Truly as perfect as an Apple product can get.

Battery is at 3 cycles and now the health exceeds design capacity by a little bit, glad to see that come up after a few cycles as expected.

I don't miss the 2015, as great as it was.
 
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I've had font smoothing off since Mojave when Apple changed how they anti-aliased fonts; it's not the 16" display, it's the OS.

I took a look at the front page of MR on light mode and scrollled and noticed no ghosting or poor refresh any worse than any other machine and I had my 2015 right next to it, I'm at 60 Hz and didn't experiment. Mine seems fine?

So you're saying that the ghosting isn't caused by the display panel, it's the operating system? So if for example I put Windows on this and the ghosting still occurs then what?

I don't really see how it can be an OS issue to be honest, I mean okay it's possible but highly unlikely, to me at-least.
 
So you're saying that the ghosting isn't caused by the display panel, it's the operating system? So if for example I put Windows on this and the ghosting still occurs then what?

I don't really see how it can be an OS issue to be honest, I mean okay it's possible but highly unlikely, to me at-least.

No, I'm saying the font smoothing turned off looks better because of a decision Apple made with respect to font rendering with Mojave. I'm saying needing that turned off isn't due to ghosting and isn't unique to 16" Macbook Pros. My 2010, 2015, and now 16" have all had font smoothing off since Mojave came out. Fonts looked like garbage with it on on Mojave and above.
 
No, I'm saying the font smoothing turned off looks better because of a decision Apple made with respect to font rendering with Mojave. I'm saying needing that turned off isn't due to ghosting and isn't unique to 16" Macbook Pros. My 2010, 2015, and now 16" have all had font smoothing off since Mojave came out. Fonts looked like garbage with it on on Mojave and above.

Oh, well that I can agree with.
 
New 16" is 2.6/32/512/5500M (8 GB) and I'm coming from a base mid-2015. Did a clean install and painstakingly installed everything manually and mirrored every setting with my old computer, with the two computers side by side, going through menu by menu.

1) The fit and finish and QC on the new one is outstanding. Not a blemish to be seen. Screen is nice and even and much brighter than my 2015. No backlight bleeding. Trackpad is level, no speaker pop, zero coil whine ever. I feel very lucky. I'm also understanding why the hinge has less resistance than prior models when opening it - it prevents the bottom of the laptop from getting pulled up off the table like can happen with the older models. I can understand why it is this way now, and it's fine. Don't miss the glowing Apple logo like I thought I would.

2) The keyboard takes some getting used to if coming from a 2015 machine, not because of the tactile feel or travel, which are perfectly fine, but rather the larger footprint of each key. Keys are quite a bit bigger than the old keys, and I'm making some mistakes here in the early days. I can tell I will adjust just fine though. Stability of the keys is really nice. Backlight bleed is more than butterfly, but definitely less than the 2015. Keyboard backlighting is a hint more blue than on the 15".

3) Screen is nice, but it is warmer than my 2015. Played with the whitepoint, but ultimately decided Apple got it right. It's warmer, but not in a bad way like most Apple products. Additional screen size doesn't really matter.

4) USB-C ports - I'm impressed with the data speeds, and I was genuinely surprised/pleased to see that cables and peripherals click in with satisfying authority, like lightning. I remember people complaining how sloppy and loose USB-C was by design. This is not my experience.

5) Battery only has two cycles, but capacity is between 98-99% per Coconut. Expecting that to go up and probably in excess of design once it has a few cycles. It was 97.1% out of the box with one cycle, but got better after the one additional cycle I put on it.

6) Speakers and mic are great, but I don't use them so don't really care. But very nice.

7) Touchbar is take it or leave it. I am just running the old brightness/voume/etc. controls like my 2015. But I did modify and toss a couple of those out in favor of a desktop shortcut, a NightShift shortcut, and a screenshot shortcut, so I could see me actually preferring the touchbar. Haptic feedback would be nice, and it would be nice if I could set the Touchbar to never sleep, like the keyboard backlighting.

8) Trackpad could still be 20% smaller and nobody would miss it, but so far I've had no errors from my palms, so less of an issue than I thought it would be.

9) Runs nice and cool and quiet. Temps typically in the low 30C range when just doing a few light tasks.

10) Other - the fact the computer turns on at the press of any key - and more so at the simple action of opening the lid, is ridiculous.

11) Catalina kinda sucks, converting from iTunes to the Music app was brutal and took the better part of 24 hours trying multiple ways to fix album art that disappeared. Ended up doing a second clean install and starting over completely with the whole computer once I figured out how to fix it. I hated iTunes, yet DREADED converting to Music and it was just as awful as I hoped it could be. Glad that's over with now, Music library is clean and perfect and working as it should. Using Finder for your phone is stupid, as is having separate apps for Podcasts and TV IMO.

12) Overall - if you're on a 2015 or older machine, just get this one - this is the one you've been holding out for. Love it.

I held off updating my old MacBook Air for several years, mainly because I hated typing on the butterfly keyboard so much. I finally broke down earlier this year and got a 2015 MBP (13-inch) off eBay and am very much loving it.

The new 16" is definitely too big and too expensive for my uses of it (portable writing station, mainly) so I'll hold out until they put this new keyboard into a smaller and less expensive MacBook and then I'll reevaluate. In the meantime, I'm loving the fact that the 2015 has USB-A ports, MagSafe and an SD card slot.

Agreed about Catalina. I installed it on the old 11" Air which I still have and immediately had to roll it back to Mojave because they absolutely TRASHED font rendering on non-retina displays. I googled around and couldn't find a fix. Seems they just dropped the subpixel font smoothing that was needed for the lower-res display to look good. It's generally still a very usable Mac (zippy, even) and it p----- me off to no end they'd downgraded the UI so much with Catalina.
 
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Catalina kinda sucks, converting from iTunes to the Music app was brutal and took the better part of 24 hours trying multiple ways to fix album art that disappeared. Ended up doing a second clean install and starting over completely with the whole computer once I figured out how to fix it. I hated iTunes, yet DREADED converting to Music and it was just as awful as I hoped it could be. Glad that's over with now, Music library is clean and perfect and working as it should. Using Finder for your phone is stupid, as is having separate apps for Podcasts and TV IMO

Yeah, I hate the Music app. All my playlist folders have become "smart playlists" and the only fix is to re-create all the folders (I have over 100 of them) and put all the correct playlists in them again, which will take days or weeks. And this was coming from a 2016 MBP with Catalina already installed. Unbelievable. Even going from the Music app to the Music app is horrible. I also don't like the way it keeps all the playlist folders closed by default. I would like to choose which ones to leave closed or open, thank you (like you could on iTunes).
 
Starting to like the Touchbar, but it's typical feature drip from Apple.

Sure, higher res and haptics would require a bit of work, but how about some settings to:

1) Keep it from sleeping or set a timer
2) Set brightness
3) Allow the brightness to match the keyboard

I mean, we are going into year 5 now...
 
Starting to like the Touchbar, but it's typical feature drip from Apple.

Sure, higher res and haptics would require a bit of work, but how about some settings to:

1) Keep it from sleeping or set a timer
2) Set brightness
3) Allow the brightness to match the keyboard

I mean, we are going into year 5 now...
Lol you think they put any thought into it? It was just a reaction to other laptops having a touchscreen. They’re not gonna do **** with it.
 
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Cool, quiet, no coil whine ever. No speaker pops. Even screen, bright, no ghosting that I saw when looking for it. No backlight bleed. No scuffs or chips, even trackpad, tight and even display/body gap.
So, this is the current definitive list of mostly superfluous or even imaginary anxieties that reading here regularly implants in most of us, at least certainly in me.
Quite frightening, in a way.

(happy to read about your perfect 16“, and it being better than God’s other MacBook, by the way!)
 
Screen brightness drops off quicker than I'm used to with each reduction of brigtness - each click seems like it represents a larger portion of the brightness spectrum - and I guess being brighter than my old screen, it has to be.

Also sitting between 29-32C just chillin' here with a single browser open and max brightness. Consider that the baseline temp I suppose.
 
my pretty

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Also, fun fact - I ordered this as a BTO on 11/21, but Coconut says the date of manufacture is 11/18 - not surprised to see that, at least in early days, Apple is just pounding out a bunch of BTO configurations knowing that someone somewhere is going to order it. Perhaps they scale that back as a model ages, but at the onset of a release that isn't a surprise at all - they know they'll sell a certain number of every BTO model so may as well crank some out.
 
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Actually, one other observation as I sit here largely in the dark - seems odd there is no keyboard lighting to guide you to the TouchID button - in the dark it disappears, would be nice if it just had a very thin ring of light around it not unlike the backlight bleed that surrounds other keys.

And I also just realized that the Touchbar brightness does change with ambient light, but we have no way to adjust it ourselves. Didn't realize it was changing with ambient lighting before.
 
The MBP is an odd machine to do BTO with, because everything's soldered to the motherboard. The only option that's not attached directly to the board is silver vs. space gray. In a modular desktop, the idea of building machines to order makes sense.

Assuming that every component could be attached at the last minute (as in the new Mac Pro), building a machine with the MBP's configuration options to order would only require stocking 3 CPUs, 3 GPUs, 3 types of RAM modules (since the channels matter, slotted RAM would probably achieve the 3 capacities by 8+8, 16+16 and 32+32 configurations - technically, 16, 16+16, 32+32 only requires two module sizes) and 5 drive sizes. Since everything's permanently attached (the motherboards are almost certainly wave-soldered in a single operation), Apple has to stock 111 ((3x3x3x5)-24 impossible configurations) motherboards and two cases instead of 14 components, one motherboard and two cases. A few of those motherboards are very rare (everything base except for an 8 TB drive, anyone)?, and 24 don't even exist (there is no way of coupling the midrange 2.3 gHz processor to either the 5300M GPU or the 512 GB drive). At the opposite extreme, the two stock configurations and the "semi-stock" configuration that is found in larger Apple Stores probably make up a high percentage of sales.

As of now, it looks like Apple is shipping "BTO" configurations directly from China - but probably from a warehouse there - mine shipped from Shanghai within a little over 12 hours of my order (to Massachusetts). That is long enough to drop a 2.4/64 GB/5500M (8 GB)/4 TB motherboard in a space gray case, assuming that boards and cases undergo most of their testing separately, but certainly not long enough to build the board to order... There may be some boards out of stock - the only way to test that would be to look at lead times for all the configurations. I wonder if they will eventually move completed machines in a range of configuarations to central warehouses on various continents - the advantage is that they could get them there by ship instead of much more expensive airplane. At this point, my best guess is that even the three standard configurations were air-freighted to Apple Stores and Apple warehouses around the world (unless Apple has been building them longer than we think)...
 
Close to a month in and my opinion hasn't changed. This machine is outstanding and flawless, and is the best offering from Apple in quite some time. The keyboard is absolutely wonderful to type on, the screen is fantastic, and again, the fit and finish is perfect all the way around. Truly couldn't be happier with this - first one was a keeper.
 
Exceptional machine - very good ability to sustain high speeds. I ran a four hour job with the CPU pegged at 100% on all coresthe whole time (generating 16,000 Lightroom previews) - mostly to see what it would do. Held steady at 3.15+ GHz, .75 GHz above base clock... The 8-core desktops tend to hold at 3.6-3.8 GHz under similar load, so you only pay 15% compared to an iMac Pro for the portability!
 
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