"Full screen" Classic on Tiger

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  1. AphoticD, Feb 20, 2018
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    AphoticD macrumors 68000

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    After spending a little time poking around inside the "Classic Startup.app" bundle, the TruBlueEnvironment and ClassicStartup binaries, I was becoming hopeful that I might find a secret "full screen" trigger, which could bring a virtual OS9 desktop to Tiger in the same way that Classic works on the early OS X Developer Previews (and Server 1.2v3 ?).

    Unfortunately I've come up blank on this. Does anyone know if this is possible?

    In the meantime, I was just playing with Classic on my PBG4 12" and tried an old trick to get the OS9 Finder up and going as a standalone app. It's a little crash happy during file copies, so I can see why it was disabled. Also, the Classic Desktop is invisible (it is being obscured by the OS X Desktop), but you can open your invisible hard drive and other desktop items by typing the start of the item's name and then hitting cmd-<down arrow> to open a window.

    1. Duplicate "Finder" from "System Folder" and drag the copy to the "Applications (Mac OS 9)" folder, renaming it to "Finder (Classic)" or something similar
    2. Use ResEdit, FileType or similar to change the File type to APPL and Creator to anything else (e.g. "aplt").
    3. Save changes.
    4. Double click "Finder (Classic") to launch.
    5. (Put an alias in your Startup Items if desired).

    Combine this with my Backdrop app for something which almost resembles a real OS 9 system on Tiger.

    Here are a few screenshots of Classic in this simulated "Full screen" mode.

    Picture 1.jpg

    Backdrop is providing the solid color background for blocking out OS X.

    Picture 3.jpg

    Panic's Audion 3.0.2 is here playing back my favourite Rhythmbox (Ubuntu) Ogg Vorbis stream "HBR1 Dream Factory" ( http://ubuntu.hbr1.com:19800/ambient.ogg ). Ogg is a format iTunes doesn't natively support. There is also an OS X version of Audion 3.0.2 available from Panic's archive.

    For anyone interested, The Audion Story is an interesting one as they came very close to banding together with Apple and becoming the foundation of iTunes (which was ultimately built upon Casady and Greene's SoundJam MP).

    Anyway, the nostalgia is fun, but I should really get back to work... :apple:

    EDIT: Panic released a free serial for Audion 3 here.

    2nd EDIT: Audion looks like it is compatible with every release of OS X for PowerPC, going back to 10.0. This could make for an even lighter alternative to iTunes on some low-end hardware. (+ it is feature packed)
     
  2. LightBulbFun macrumors 68000

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    thats pretty Awesome how you managed to launch the Mac OS 9 finder in classic like that :)

    indeed Mac OS X Server 1.2v3 has a Full screen Mac OS 8.6 BlueBox environment :)
     
  3. galgot, Feb 20, 2018
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    Thanks for that Backdrop app :)
    If I remember well it is in OSX 10 DP2 , there are in fact two apps for using the classic environment, one that works full screen like in Server 1.2v3, and another that integrates classic in the OSX gui (which makes it a bit difficult for the user to know what gui he uses as DP2 still used a platinum style gui...). Can't remember the exact names, but think one was named "Classic.app" and the other "Mac OS.app"... Then in DP3, they dropped the full screen Mac OS app, and introduced Aqua.
    But yes, would have been nice to have the choice between fullscreen or not.
    Yes Audion I like :) But like SoundjamMP better , cause you can change skin without opening the prefs :D Funny now the only way (that i know) to get a skinable music player on El Capitan/Sierra/HiSierra is to install Audacious via Brew or Macport. I've done myself some hires SoundjamMP icons for it.
    Will post it if interested.
     
  4. parrotgeek1 macrumors 6502

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    Can someone upload the DP2 MacOS.app so i can try to port it?
     
  5. AphoticD thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Pacifist might be able to extract from the DP2 packages (without having to install). I did a clean install of Server 1.2v3 on my Sawtooth last night to examine the MacOS.app on that system. I’ll post that version when I get a chance.
     
  6. parrotgeek1 macrumors 6502

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    someone already sent it to me but now i need these from dp2


    /System/Library/Frameworks/Zip.framework
    /System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DesktopDB.framework
    /System/Library/Frameworks/AppleEvents.framework/
    /system/library/classic
     
  7. galgot macrumors regular

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    Coming... Stored back the DP2 running Wallstreet before seeing your message yesterday evening :)
     
  8. galgot macrumors regular

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    Btw, here a screenshot showing these two apps in DP2:
    Sol-Roth-210218-DP2Classic-App.jpg

    @ AphoticD, do you want these files too when I've finished uploading them ?
     
  9. AphoticD, Feb 22, 2018
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    AphoticD thread starter macrumors 68000

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    Sure, it would be great to get the MacOS app going on Tiger.

    Also, the version which shipped with Server 1.2v3 booted Mac OS 8.6, which might be useful as a lighter alternative to OS9 Classic.
     
  10. LightBulbFun macrumors 68000

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    Just wanted to mention that DP3 also has the full screen blue box "MacOS.app" environment as well :) although in DP3 its Mac OS 9 and not 8.6 like in OS X Server 1.2v3

    upload_2018-2-22_12-54-20.png
     
  11. galgot macrumors regular

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    maybe better working from that one then, should be more "recent" :) Don't have a installed DP3.
    It runs a OS9 in the DP2 version too btw.
     

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